[000:00:00;00] and what he mainly promotes is actually otaka and competition with these persons. and in what he competes, it should be said that he competes in what all these persons did , in fact, he competes in rewriting the history of russian volume that he is trying to make it different and, first of all, it concerns ukrainian history, which putin is also trying to rewrite. and let's say this is the contribution to the general rewriting of russian history . a certain geographical area, so to speak, beautiful landscapes, yes, it means, uh, poor

, unhappy, suffering people. the system came, and in 1645 or 544, it means that ukraine came. what a fright clean, er, historical russian lands, of course, er, there was nothing like that , so there was nothing serious with ukraine. nothing is actually real. ukraine arose in 1922 and was enshrined in the constitution. the russian territories are simply what they were called, and kryvyorushka, in my opinion, is the donetsk republic of the severov, and then the borshcheviks came from uh, all the territories, and uh, it’s a stranger to you, that’s why you make us up, and with only men, that is, with crosses, which were considered petty combat with different elements, they returned again to where to transfer

the donbass kryvorozhskogo republic came we are people from the donbass because i say so everything has already been decided that we are in russia there mother russia not everything lenin says must be redistributed it will go on perfectly accepted they redistributed now grateful descendants sense memories of the body of the body of ukraine are no longer sons, practically all of us are monuments of the soviet god, by the way, the game includes memories of lenin , which ukraine owes to its state, about the fact that lenin, the hider of ukraine, is known in the russian collapse, which they actually promote as a justification for the war. and that's why we i must be forced to talk about it, and therefore it is not surprising. by the way, when they deny the existence of ukrainians at all , how are they then they are so surprised. and why do ukrainians not like them so much and do not meet them

? we thought that we would already have kharkiv meet with flowers, harem pants, songs, sing, etc., she met with bullets, miscalculated, miscalculated let's talk today at the tables serhiy gromenko, expert of the ukrainian institute of the future and oleksandr alfyorov, researcher of the institute of history of ukraine, officer of the armed forces of ukraine greetings, friends of different and you know well, let's start from the very beginning the basis to whom does russia owe ukraine its statehood because, well , it is obvious that it is not to lenin, but if it is to lenin , then to whom and why and why in general for russians so it is important to deny the naturalness of ukrainian history, let's probably start with you, mr. serhiy, well, it is obvious that ukraine owes its existence to ukrainians, if there were no ukrainians, it is certain that ukraine would not exist. the question is why the russians need to deny the existence of ukraine.

of the ukrainian people lies precisely in the fact that they perfectly understand this connection, if there is no separate ukrainian people, if it is part of the russians or at least there is some kind of conditional brotherly people, then there is no ukraine either grounds for independence for independence and so denying the testing of ukrainians means denying the existence of ukraine itself in that they rely on the right of peoples for self-determination written in the un charter. it says that nations have the right if there is no ukrainian nation, there cannot be a ukrainian state, why they lean against lenin, then i think that this is a question for a separate conversation with him, we will return to him ...

from the point of view of a historian, what are the most toxic of these myths is that if there are any ukrainians , then it is a fraternal people or a trident people in the 19th century , that is, such a semi-native people, the next myth is that this dialect does not exist in the ukrainian language - it is a mixture of russian and, let's say, polish one interesting myth is from the 19th century, too, that ukraine was invented as a project of anti-russia anti-russia. well, in fact, these three myths are the fundamental ones. literally, after all two centuries, they came to us in the same form as they were formed at the end in the 19th, at the beginning of the 20th century, literally, well, the other day, 10 days ago, in russia, there was an announcement about the production of new textbooks , where they actually contributed to the rewriting of history, which has been going on for quite a long time, the first such major rewriting of history was

during the time of catherine ii, when there was also the creator of history, karamzin, with a large group of people there, they wrote something like , well, you can say something like that about the history textbook , now it is another history textbook, about which statesmen also joined and also this is being made by the leadership of the main leader of russia, the new tsar putin, let's see how it happens and then we'll discuss it in the russian regions mass printing of new history textbooks for senior classes has begun the grace of moscow, leningrad , stalingrad, the course of the battles of the 11th grade is reflected in the textbook the origins of the conflict in ukraine , the reasons for the special military operation there the history of the exploits of the heroes has its own paragraph about the separation of crimea from sevastopol from russia and the inclusion of new regions in our country . the minister of education kravtsov and

the medical assistant to the president, according to his words , in the new textbook, have been completely reworked and radically rewritten, section fra 70 80-90 неулевые годы а ​​также добавлен grew for the first time from 2014 to today new textbooks teach russian children not to bow before the west and not to equate the horror of stalin with hitler what is your business at all what is the state view of the scientific community through the prism of the state position on the current events, mr. serhiy, and whether there has ever been a non-state point of view on history in russia, it is interesting

because now we see that they gave the impression that they simply stuffed their television programs into such a textbook wrapper, nothing more, but this only applies to modern history, but there were also more ancient ways to rewrite it like this. well, let's start with the fact that in the very there is nothing wrong with rewriting history, you need to understand that this scarecrow is russian propaganda and in general, rewriting history every 10 to 25 years happens all over the world and this is normal because on the one hand new sources appear on the other hand new questions about old materials and this is absolutely correct otherwise to we still studied under herodotus, this is the first, second, you know, choosing between karamzin and midinsky, i would still give my vote in favor of kamzin, even his history of

the russian state, after all, politics is relevant and less and more common sense than in midinsky's textbook, and all the more so you can make a certain kind of... well, you can make a discount on what karamzin wrote more than 200 years ago, but in general it is obvious that russia does not have a state view of the past, it is rather an exception that happens extremely rarely and only in periods of weakening of the state, which also in fact happens not often, it is obvious that it would be an exaggeration to say that in russia history was never written there, let's say from the point of view of the people, almost immediately after the transin , the history of the russian people of the field came out, but

this multi-volume book did not enjoy such fame as karamzin's history of the russian state. it is obvious that klyuchevsk's russian history course was written not so much from the state positions as from social ones. quite interesting experiments were actually conducted with non-state history in the 20s, when, on the one hand , communism actually nullified all imperial traditions, the history of description, and on the other hand , this stalinism did not reach historical circles, and some surviving e-e academicians and members of the old russian correspondent got the opportunity in this very short period of time to write innovative works until now their potential has not been exhausted and finally today even still in russia despite everything there is a yeltsin center and in yekaterinburg that teaches from there there is an interactive exhibition on the history of russia dedicated to the struggle for freedom, that is, it cannot be said that in russia everything is cemented as in

north korea or there is a plus or minus in china, but you must also understand that state history is a master's work, and all kinds of other folk history or the history of freedom are marginal, and finally , it is very important that you noticed, because i talked about it in in any case, i would like to talk about tv, because in reality tv is almost not in demand in russian, we know this for sure that every year fewer and fewer people actually watch tv, and there are almost none left among young people, and this means that propaganda solovyov skabeeva and simonyan on young minds this way does not pass in the russian state , there is only one chance to impose your point of view, drive your drive , the annexation of crimea and the return to the native

harbor in the textbook and make this textbook without alternatives and all the quotes from it all the wordings from it should be submitted to the state exam that's all , that is, in the literal sense, the textbook is tv for young people who doesn't watch real tv, then everyone doesn't record it from the textbook in order to simply deny the existence of ukraine in reality it's really complex the question we are saying here is really what these textbooks are. they are not only the ones we heard about for the 11th grade, where there is such a certain squeeze conceptual history of recent times, but these were revised textbooks in february seems to be a month, it is for junior grades, more precisely, high school textbooks, and at the same time, look at the education system of the russian federation, it and the education system are interconnected

. the so-called territories of the dpr, the lpr is trying to study and consciously say this at the same time. look what an interesting structure they have in education , this is the so-called youth army . harcyze, in poland they have that army, the word yun army is a young army well, everything adapts to the fact that young people who are monkurtized like this, that is, a certain kind of uh-uh is created from them , architecture is in the head of this impossible, and in the education system, a person comes out next to her, she understands that there is no ukraine, that this is all russia's struggle with the west, she came out of the ranks of the young army , she will join the army, so somewhere they are preparing this system of book- of the future of russia, and then it turns out that the rewriting of history with

the substitution of a conceptual apparatus with common of certain terms causes the following illusion, for example, a child at school reads in the sixth and fifth grade that previously she read that vladimir was baptized in korsun and then in kyiv - the capital baptized all of russia, now they read that vladimir simply baptized russia in the capital, respectively, little boys, girls goes to moscow square and what do they see in the capital, in the capital there is a monument to vladimir the great, so he baptized russia here, that is, in fact, where is such a huge manipulation of consciousness , which is calculated on that contingent of people who will not return to history and will say that history was a cool subject that we all say a lot at school that the teacher told it like a fairy tale, somewhere they remembered something about troy about ieds and went on to retell it history is the same science as physics and chemistry, for some reason she knows about nuclear physics. no one talks

about thrones in the kitchen. what is your opinion on how we should really talk about this, how should we rebuild in russia from russia and to what extent? well, i know pessimist a minimalist in this matter . i think that we can't and don't even have to do with russian history. i'm convinced and maybe i'll even assert that during the first stages of the development of the russian regime, no ukrainian initiative, at least from those that i can imagine, is not really capable of overcoming the radiation towers that are currently being built all over russia, we simply do not have enough of such a resource, accordingly, we need to think much less about what they

write about our history and focus exclusively on how we ourselves in ukraine understand ourselves, and the task with an asterisk is to discuss with western experts from europe the issues of european hierarchies, which are mainly focused on russian sources and russian interpretations. where did we come from? what is our history ? what did we gain and lose from russian rule? the west in different languages ​​and all of this must be discussed in ukraine at the west with the russians now at the current stage it is absolutely pointless to argue even if there are people there who understand what is wrong with their history everything is wrong okay it is impossible those who would like to enter into a polemic with the ukrainians they will

simply remain silent out of the instinct of self-preservation. therefore, we must finally stop thinking a little about russia and think more about ukraine. oleksandr , just a few words about how we should adjust ourselves. i would say yes, really you you know, mrs. olenchyka, wherever ukrainians and russians would sit down and start talking about history, because it is always russian snobbery , chauvinism, a certain elitist opinion about themselves, and in addition to grantomania, such a general scientific one, which they say honestly, we have schools, we have armitage, they also have this concept of messianism, that’s why in fact, as much as i have not met with russian historians at international conferences and the last time was in warsaw in 2020 , i will say that, first of all, it was disgusting to see them in general to see this crowd of people who

represented their lobodic culture and understanding who they are came to me precisely from the 14th year, but their position is not subject to any kind of discussion because they immediately mark their history with certain pillars. and when you start talking to them, for example, about the history of russia, they say well, the ancient russian state in internet terminology they are tying the knot in this swamp, they don't want to hear your arguments, they will say well, ukraine has dug up the black sea, although they say that russia, er, how many of 1,150 years at the same time, these are meaningless discussions , discussions that really cannot be entered into with them there is no such platform. but at the same time it is true that it is necessary to work with western partners. i would like to emphasize that during the time of the russian empire and especially the sivitsky union, the history of russia fell under such a proper, exclusive

criteria of the metropolis, that is, in the metropolises, that is , moscow, st. petersburg, you could study rus or byzantium. look even we in ukraine have a school of historians who would deal with the estuary , this means archaeologists who wrote about russia, but this school was not developed and it is safe to say that the dominance of the soviet school is certain led to the fact that in european museums and world museums, for example, objects, if they are signed as uh, those that were found on the territory of russia, they will be written in one or another language as objects from russia, and even at this level, we need to announce foreign affairs of the ministry of culture, so that this changes, recently in sweden, she changed the signature under the coin of yaroslav the wise that this is a russian coin, she wrote ukrainian, and

that is how it comes out at the same time. hutin or other people, but react not from an academic point of view, because there it is impossible to have a discussion. and react to the level of overlapping of these myths in the information space, and they can be overlapped very simply. ukraine has always been saved by humor and we know our memes. so far, about these people, about their reactions, they really fill the understanding that it is becoming easier for people to live, there is no doubt that here it is necessary to talk about the popularization of ukrainian history , instead of saying that they have something bad , but ours is better, we should say that we have so it would be justified, but so that people would understand and know what our history is beautiful and beautiful without any occupiers and without any answers, although in general i emphasize that in principle it is necessary to talk about it thanks to the latest means of information and here as i am talking about all the social networks

that even exist for a short time there videos, photos, and the like, thank you, thank you, oleksandr, i know that you have to leave us , so thank you very much, i will say goodbye to you, and it will be sergey, let's talk a few more words. look , mr. sergey, well, they said such an important thing about the fact that it is difficult to talk about anything with the russians, and in principle they decided that kyivan rus is the main word there, rus is not kyivan at all but no matter how much we tell her that it is well, maybe the misfortunes of ukrainians, which, well, more precisely, kyivan princes that they allowed the creation of moscow there, and actually after that it was not like that, you know, the story is not continuous , when there it was somehow transferred there to the chp from kyiv, something else was transferred, the story and everything was transferred, you can’t say, but

still, what that you may answer them this is the main myth that ukraine did not exist until the 20th century, that some land was given to ukraine, someone gave it, someone else is unknown. well, i mean, i am not talking about the fact that ukraine was formed in 1991, but still well, if i should formulate this clearly, no, you are now playing along with the russians. well, of course , by collapsing everything first, i already said that there is no point in discussing now, maybe after the defeat of russia, new conditions will appear , now there is no point in even wasting time , secondly, if we are talking purely legal point of view, the denial of the existence of ukraine until the 91st year has only one effective control, the argument of russia did not exist before the 91st year

either, the fact that the current russian federation received legal succession from the ussr, received local and certain material values ​​there and certain obligations under the international right does not mean that the ussr and the current russian federation are one state from the point of view of international law, everything is quite clear, well, it is a new state, so if we rely on this point of view, there is simply nothing to discuss here if we are already in the 91st, then they are in the 91st and that's it . if we talk about the fact that ukraine existed before , then it is obvious that ukraine did not exist in the form in which it exists now, but russia also did not exist in the form in which it exists now because to stretch the understanding of the modern state to the situation of the 18th century or the 17th or even earlier is absolutely pointless

, it is impossible to draw any conclusions. therefore, either ukraine and russia existed earlier in other forms or neither existed before the 91st oce there is a position that cuts off all unnecessary ones unnecessary er debates because if we get involved in the analysis of each specific myth , we will only waste time and we won't really prove anything to anyone thank you thank you countries were formed after the collapse of the soviet union, including the formation of the russian federation at that time, well, actually, that's all that the entire history that was before this, this history of peoples who, let's say, on the entire continent of europe, changed their borders , changed their place of settlement, and therefore it can be said that

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