[000:00:00;00] although they have the most famous names, different legal mechanisms are needed at the same time in order to talk about justice first and foremost . do you believe that at some point such justice will appear that the mercenaries of the russian military, from the executors to the very top , will be brought to justice? in trudolanov's comment on wallpaper tv that this will largely depend on the success of ukraine and this war, about which i think we are all optimistic, but still , the moment will come when it will be possible to achieve the extradition of some the main suspects in this case were indicted by the tribunal for yugoslavia where milosevic was in may 1999, when he was still the president of yugoslavia, people said the same madness, and nine months later he was already

handed over, so i think that the same situation can happen here too and the most important thing is to build these cases now and make the evidence base as strong as possible beltones to you complete the understand well, while building this evidence base , we already have to finally decide which court will consider it in the final or at this stage it not necessarily, in many situations, tribunals were generally created only after the end of the conflicts, but of course they needed evidence and checked it every time. and how it was collected , they made sure that the evidence was not forged , experts were called to check and confirm this information and the work performed by ukrainians and the prosecutor's office and local non-governmental organizations organization can directly affect the outcome of the international criminal court, so it has jurisdiction over crimes committed in ukraine

. yes, there are exceptions. this applies only to war crimes against humanity of the issue of criminal aggression and right now is the strong position of your government regarding the creation of a separate tribunal that would consider all the crimes committed by the russians much earlier than february 24, 22 of the year, on this day , the moment of the invasion, it only became obvious to everyone that such a separate process is needed, agree and in kyiv and in washington disagreements so far only regarding the status of conducting the process in ukraine under national law but with invited foreign lawyers should we still convene an international tribunal ? option of imption with the opinion of president zelenskyi and the ukrainian government, and we have precedents why this can be done before coming to the state department, i was the chief prosecutor

of the special court regarding all religions there . i managed to convict the former head of the libe. for the crimes he committed in this country thanks to the agreement in which the un participated and i think that we should use this president as an option, several states can unite and form a tribunal by giving it international status, and this is the way to bring the head of another state to justice, because unfortunately for ukraine , one state cannot prosecute the head of another state within the framework of its legal system, because ukraine is able to accuse russian generals, but not the president, the prime minister, and the minister of foreign affairs of russia for all these crimes, so ukraine and strives for an international process . that is, this is the first thing that ukrainians are interested in, and putin personally is realistically brought to court . the answer is yes, and even if we step aside for a moment

from the war itself, there are war crimes for which he is already being prosecuted for this forced deportation of children and in this case there is very strong evidence the prosecutor says about 20,000 such cases and there are even data that there are many more so there is no doubt if putin flew through paris tomorrow the french police could arrest him and send him to haagah go away and they would do it, they are obliged to do so, so he is not traveling, and this could have happened if he went to johannesburg. so massive and so unrelated to the war that it is already an attempt to terrorize the civilian population, and he will be held responsible if it is proven that he gave these orders. and the icc also studies crimes against humanity, and even in genocide, the government may appear here, but

if the case goes to the mts why then also a separate tribunal, why scatter efforts instead of concentrating on one process in the linguistic new nuremberg tribunal, and the trial of icc crimes usually lasts several years, all have powerful defenders and to prove responsibility. sometimes it is very difficult. in addition, this court has never prosecuted more than six people for any case. and even in this case, it conducts hearings with three or four of them, so the international criminal court simply will not be able to hold everyone responsible . in my us is more than sure that our viewers would like to hear from you in the end if even 5-6 people putin shoigu gerasimov along with those to whom they gave direct orders one day will appear

in the docks and what could potentially be the sentence, what is the punishment, curiosity here is understood in other courts, for example, in nuremberg. obviously, it was a death sentence, but international law does not currently allow the maximum punishment that the icc can award is 30 years in prison , but considering the year of all these political leaders and commanders, for them it is means a life term that during your time i was glad to talk with you about the path of ukraine since the first invasion of the russians we talked with the ex-ambassador of great britain simon smith was in kyiv from 12 to 15 saw with his own eyes the beginning of the revolution of dignity followed russian saboteurs in the east of the country and in the crimea, how does he assess those events, why in his opinion the west was not ready for

a full-scale war launched by russia , they asked mr. smith about all this, our british correspondent svitlana chernetska, first of all, thank you for your time, mr. aids, and let me ask right away how your ukrainian is, i remember how you sang the ukrainian national anthem and recited the poem love your native ukraine 8 years ago. this day, at the end of your stay as ambassador, i did not have much time i clicked on the opportunity to learn the ukrainian language, but in

the future , hmm, i have plans. my brain was full of the korean language because i worked there for the last four years as a british ambassador in 2012 when you became ambassador to ukraine , it was a completely different time great britain was a member of the european union and was one of the biggest supporters of ukraine's membership in the eu but this has not happened yet, what do you think on this occasion i i think we understood in 2012 that ukraine's accession to the eu is a process that will last several years. when i arrived, i did not expect that ukraine would become a member of the eu by 2015. we hoped that ukrainians would have a clear understanding of the opportunities offered by membership in the european union, because i remember that in 2012 not everyone understood this, people were skeptical, people did not know about the european union and did not really understand

what opportunities ukraine had before yanu , because tymoshenko was the president behind bars, and the verkhovna rada was better known in the world because of the constant fights and push-button behavior that you are. imagined the future of this country, what did you see? in fact, i was very optimistic about the future of ukraine, despite the fact that the verkhovna rada was far from the most effective legislative force in the world and, of course , the man yanukovych had one of the worst governments that i have dealt with. maidan i know that you were leaving to the maidan and talked with the protesters. what do you remember from that time? of course, i remember the smell of guma fuel . it was impossible to avoid it. i remember talking to many people who were on the maidan and for various reasons believed that it was more so

it cannot last, and then the little green men in the east and crimea annexation of crimea did you have the feeling that this was the beginning of russian aggression, that it would develop into a full-scale war full blow, no, i will not declare now that i knew that this was the beginning and that this is how it will go on i believe that this was a situation that could have been foreseen before march 2014. we have already seen many incidents in different parts of the country, many movements where local people allegedly rose up in protests against yanukovych after yanukovych flew out of the country, it was very difficult to understand whether these people have a lot of support, because i knew that ukrainians had very different opinions about the future of ukraine and the understanding that russia took everything it wanted and would not want anything else, nor crimea, it was the most outrageous example of outright theft of territory, and it was already obvious that at least a certain proportion of that

what is happening in the east in donbas, certain incidents in kharkiv, it was obvious that russia wants to escalate the conflict, i don't think that any of us believed that they only want crimea , but the important thing here is that i don't think that any of us could come to a conclusion and there were none evidence to conclude that there was a large long-term russian plan, speculation in many capitals of europe and the atlantic community was to say that what happened was bad. them that will start a war against ukraine and i am afraid that that assumption has already weakened by 2022 but it was still held in many capitals they said well of course this cannot be the beginning of a full-scale ugh this is madness because there is no it makes no sense, you have already touched on this issue, but what do you think are the main

mistakes made by ukraine and the west in general from 2000 to 2014. in the next 6 or 7 years, for sure. they simply held on to the assumption that putin would make rational and well -informed decisions for too long. and this again, it was a miscalculation to think that for russia relations with us were important and therefore it would not abandon them for the sake of a crazy act. and as for ukraine, because ukraine recovered after 2014 and was moving in the direction of success, it could have gone very badly. so what did ukraine do wrong? i don't think that ukraine did anything wrong, except for what you didn't say, except for the fact that it was becoming more successful when putin half came out of the quarantine of that isolation during the coronavirus . his decision was already steel. he decided that the success of ukraine is his failure. i think his goal since 2014 was to make ukraine

ukraine a loser and he believed that thanks to what he was the government weakened the democratic structures in ukraine and after a few years ukraine would be weak enough for a non-military takeover or did they know the higher ukraine will give age and that a year after the invasion, the counter-offensive will begin, many ukrainian soldiers with whom i spoke made me understand two things : first, they understood how much there is to learn , so they will be the most loyal consumers of this knowledge and will use this knowledge as best as possible, and this will be us, secondly, they were determined since we are talking with you on independence day, i hope that another aspect continues to strengthen is the confidence of ukrainian supporters and allies that we need to find new and additional ways to help ukraine

to win this war there are people who offer solutions that they call simple but there is only one simple solution it is very , very simple and it consists of one thing putin is bringing his army from ukraine we must not give up not give up efforts to find new ways what is cracked and broken if she does not take this simple step, she will not leave ukraine. do you remember when in 2014 you attended the graduation ceremony at the national defense university of ukraine and presented the queen's sword to the best graduate ? graduate no, i don't remember what you would say about the fact that it was valeriy zaluzhnyi, no, really , my god, wow, this is extraordinary, you were there during the birth of the orbit operation in ukraine, which grew into the interflag operation, we know that britain began to help ukraine in 2014

not only with military training, but also with the imposition of financial sanctions. and now this aid is even more extensive. how do you assess the efforts of great britain in helping ukraine ? all aid has increased, even in 2014. i thought that the aid would be long-lasting and growing , one of the things that greatly inspired me for the last two years is the degree to which the british people really understand the scale of this terrible war, how unjustified and unnecessary it is, and the level of public support for ukraine is very inspiring. i left korea and the invasion was still more than a month away, and when it happened, i thought that i would do everything what can help build this understanding among the british i am too old to physically fight or something but i can help people with my knowledge and experience to understand what is happening that this is not

the situation when there are two sides to the issue that this is not a situation when you can start classic negotiations, when you can make a lot of concessions to putin so that he stops, and you don't say that the war in ukraine actually affected the what did you do after retiring from the diplomatic service? i don't have a job now. i work on a volunteer basis at the royal institute of international i am a teacher in the field, i do not have a paid position , i do everything i can to help the efforts of ukrainians, is there anything independence day i think that independence day this year has a special meaning because many people in the great the british understood when they looked at the heroism of ukrainians at the front and in the general effort to resist russian aggression and defend their country, the british really understood what ukrainian independence means and

how strong is the dedication of ukrainians to defend their independence. i believe that we were honored to be part of this effort to maintain the independence of ukraine and this should be in people's minds, especially on independence day 2023, i also think that we in great britain must remember that this is a fight that we all must win, that ukrainian independence is a symbol of independence and freedom, the preservation of which we all have to work hard, thank you very much for your time, mr. smith, please, it was a pleasure to talk to you, because it is difficult to imagine the ukrainian front from the first days of the war, they help the ukrainian defenders with everything possible from ammunition to expensive equipment and machines and not only buy all this themselves, but also deliver it to the soldiers on the front line every time covering thousands of kilometers and exposing themselves to

danger, the heroes of our story, the residents of the carpathian village of lisniy khlybychyn already lost count of how many such journeys were made during the war to their soldiers, fellow countrymen, along with village volunteers, drove around the center of the carpathian village of lisniy hlibychyn, and our correspondents resemble a real anthill , locals are running here and there loading large boxes, villagers are in a hurry because in a few hours the car is leaving for the next trip to the front, this was ordered by the military for the construction of dugouts, a batch of 200 pieces, this is for approximately three dugouts, the average of the armed forces of ukraine is the basis of breadcrumbs in various directions today 70 men are serving and the village is being cared for by their soldiers, countrymen since the first months of the war have been constantly visiting them in the east and every time

they have ordered a small load of kerations, and the boys will also be transferred to the east, this time the labor costs an average of $500. this is the last and fourth trip in the last month, we have almost nothing left of the same products that people gave us and sent abroad a few months ago , the car has already been on the front line and performed more than one combat mission until it broke down, the village volunteers took it away her from the front and quickly repaired. we have guys. we have mechanics. we bring them, disassemble them to the cog and assemble them. we flew there. that is , there is still something on the way. nine in the evening and we are ready to go on the road to

our destination , we have more than 1,300 km . take a nap already in ternopil for the first time, trouble breaks down, my hands are much more serious than it seemed with the first one. so far, we can’t drive. in simple words, the tension roller has failed and dropped the belt. the track , the field, the forest. volunteers have been trying to resuscitate the car for several hours, but unsuccessfully, in the end, they cling to the lapel and slowly drive

to the city on emergency vehicles to look for help at 4 o'clock in the morning , we are still in ternopil , we can fix it. in italy, on a broken sprinter, he will wait in the morning for a car service in the morning. it might be possible to float the car and catch up with us in the meantime. mykhailo and i are going on pickup trucks to kostyantynivka. mykhailo , most of his fellow villagers have been volunteers since the first days of the war . he stopped counting his trips to the east a long time ago. i think well, there are more like 30 plus-minus there, 35 maybe 36 34 , well, i’m afraid to make a mistake, well, i never thought he planned that he would know the roads, the quality of the roads , including donetsk kharkiv and well, the entire front line is better than even his native

in the frankiv region, one trip usually takes 3-4 days, says a volunteer, one direction is not traveled, one travels practically along the front line from zaporizhzhia to donetsk, sometimes even in dokupenska , because there are 70 people and there is no such thing as there are two somewhere in one place, there is one such unit and that's it the others are mostly there, we already ask to meet there, either in druzhkivka or quarantinivska or in the estuary, the sprinter caught up with us in kropypnytskyi and we are heading further together again , a satisfied place we planned to arrive at 5 in the evening and the guys only had a couple of hours to to pick up the car and a breakdown on the road really threw us off schedule, and it's already 11 p.m. on the clock. and we're just stopping by donetsk, of course, look for that long. our guys couldn't, so we agreed that we would deliver the car closer to the front line and leave it there in a fellow villager, my brothers sleep for a few hours in the car and again on the road in the morning, we finally reach the first destination, one of the de-occupied villages of kharkiv region, the volunteers are already waiting here

normally taras went to the front as a volunteer last year in march and has been at zero for a year and a half he admits that without the help of fellow countrymen it would be difficult, it would be great because i ask them what i need, he is already calling me a lot, he says he is calling more, he says that we need to find it. the first car that appeared in his subdivision was from fellow villagers here. now i was looking for how much for how much is needed. well, although two sundays, volunteers take the car to the abyss, give clamps for the construction of dugouts.

this is what inflammation was not seen after that. what are we doing with this video? in general, it’s cool, it’s happening , it’s still delicious. we say goodbye and continue to study for kilometers along the road. not so long ago, there were fierce battles here, after which there were destroyed villages and lesi landings , if they didn’t damage any shoals. go and see with your own eyes it is all destroyed because one thing you see it on the phone on tv you see it is gone sloviansk kramatorsk we drive through town after town and everywhere the axles are waiting for us coming straight from the positions to to see our fellow countrymen, they quickly brought them a walkie-talkie in two weeks. but we really need it, and here is the last stop and a pleasant mission to deliver a package from relatives and greetings from fellow villagers to the defender whose

birthday is today. mom gave you a present. and you also gave a present to mom. i will kiss the dog. mom wanted it herself. the dog, she is already old , i will now be brand new, i will take the tailed one home, and the fighter with the call sign, the mustache, will go home now. he is going on vacation for the first time, we offer to pick him up from donetsk region, we are all going home together, well, four days on the road, almost 3000 km , and our mission is finally completed, we are at home, but tomorrow the volunteer will start preparations for a new trip to the east, because this pickup truck that we brought with us needs to be repaired as soon as possible and send it to the front line again. and while we were on the road , the village volunteers had time

to take another car abroad and repair it, and it is also waiting to be sent to the front line. details: inter tv channel the marathon, the only news, the broadcast continues. my colleagues, we will see each other soon. take care, the crows who are approaching victory, walking with the deadliest summer tradition of state-building in ukraine , to declare

ukraine an independent democratic state on august 24, 1991 and 346 glory to ukraine glory to you blue mountains covered with ice ivan the knight and the great god do not forget fight, you will overcome god helps you the truth has smeared and the will is holy thousands of years of state formation 105 years of struggle 32 years of restoration of independence we do not notice them as long as it is not sick, but they are the first to whom we turn for help, the guardian angels who selflessly work in the rear and at the front under rocket fire and in the hottest spots, saving our most precious health and life. thank you

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. journalists and investigators from the british publication established that despite beijing's declaration of neutrality , it sharply increased the sale of so-called dual-use goods nominally they arrive supposedly for civilian needs , but in fact they are bought by enterprises of the russian military industrial complex, in particular. this is the way from china to russia received thousands of drones disguised as toys and optical sights and night vision devices allegedly for hunters through intermediaries, the russian national guard purchased six helicopters and the defense industry titanium alloys worth 18 million dollars, these actions of china undermine the sanctions efforts of the international community, as the journalists of the telegraph claim to understand the reasons here this is the kind of cooperation we will have today with igor popov, a political scientist. we congratulate mr. igor. thank you for visiting. my greetings are also bohdan dollin , an aviation expert who has already joined we will return to you in a little while, congratulations. thank you for being with us today, mr. igor. so, the first question, of course, as i already stated, is the goal, the main goal, why china? this

cooperation in such a field with the russian federation was not to evaluate the strategic tasks of china, and the whole world is divided not only into ukraine against ukraine, the world is more complicated china is playing its own game and for china it is important not to allow the defeat of the russian federation because it is not because china likes russia or because there are some sentiments because it will be a victory of a collective event, it will be a victory for western civilization and western weapons of western ideology, and china cannot allow this. and that is why we celebrate a draw because russia can no longer win. even china understands this . russia could have promised the chinese as well as its viewers kyiv in three days, but did not fulfill these obligations, and china's long war is not profitable today, and therefore, in order not to defeat russia, china will