[000:00:00;00] and why is the main goal of china? this cooperation in such a field with the russian federation was for them to evaluate the strategic tasks of china, and the whole world is divided not only for ukraine against ukraine . not because china likes russia or because there are any sentiments, because it will be a victory for the collective west, it will be a victory for western civilization and western weapons of western ideology, and china cannot do this allow and that's why we welcome a draw because russia can no longer win, even china understands this, russia could have promised the chinese , as well as its viewers, kyiv in three days, but it did not fulfill all its obligations, and a long war with china is not profitable for today and therefore, in order not to allow russia to be defeated, china will

help it a little diplomatically, a little with technologies, a little with dual -purpose goods, but no more than that, china immediately spoke here from a refutation to an official spokesman came out a few hours later he literally says no, we do not supply lethal weapons, we will not supply them, we promise and guarantee it, that is, a sensitive moment for the chinese, he also does not want to be accused of taking part on the side of the aggressor in this war. and you said that russia's victory is impossible, russia's defeat is complete, let china it cannot, but it is not profitable to delay why the whole world economy is suffering in china itself there are a number of economic problems growth in has slowed down and now china's gdp growth is less than the average accounting rate in the world and the federal reserve system began to raise the interest rate, the chinese were also forced to raise it, that is, they have actually stagnated the economy, if they do not stop it, they will not restart the economy for them, this is an economic crisis and it can even lead to a hot war

, and therefore, uh, from the slowdown of the world economy in many ways caused by russia's war against ukraine, and therefore china, as one of the drivers of the world economy, is interested in returning to trade with everyone, but for china to have its profits, how long can china hold out, relatively speaking, for a year, two, three in fact, there is not much time, and therefore if the world fall and the fall of the chinese academy will continue, then the involvement of china in a hot war may be inevitable. sparta and facade wrote that a war between them is inevitable, some american viewers and from other countries also write that the war between the united states and china can become no less. but china

is not ready for war today. the war between the global west and the east is, in fact, i wanted to go back to the fact that what kind of weapons does china supply to russia, what parts, where are they used, mr. bohdane, so already china supplies russia with drones, helicopters, optical sights , materials critical for the defense of industry it is said by the telegraph publication, its journalists, investigators, from what you know, from what you know, hmm, where, in fact , what components are currently supplied from heaven and are actively used in russia's war against ukraine and what types of weapons, what to talk about the so-called supply of critical components and technologies to the russian federation , in principle, a fresh

institute recently came out from here, which says that almost 50% of all chips and sensors and other microelectronic devices are supplied to the russian federation the federation or through china or through hong kong the rest of the countries they have less time when, in principle, these are the critical components used in the production of cruise missiles and ballistic missiles part these components are used on k-52 helicopters, in addition, if we talk about the supply of these means , they are used in defense systems such as panzer s. of course, without these components, it is impossible to repair or maintain the viability of such systems of various means radio-electronic warfare of the glonass global navigation system, which, by the way, is an important component for the construction and e-e routing of russian cruise missiles and ballistic

missiles, including for the operation of their e-e aviation and helicopters and airplanes in relation to the power of china, so we are talking about political, political motives are likely. and if we talk about the military , it could be there testing of certain supply schemes for the future, it could be testing of chinese equipment , for example, in particular in the war of russia against ukraine in order to see how will she show it or , for example, the calculation of assistance to russia in future wars, for which the people's republic of china is preparing. the war is in the east and from russia at that moment sanctions on the supply of western high-tech equipment or sand will not be lifted , then in principle help china , both of these bans will be with the help of russia.

it was correctly said earlier that this is a way of supporting russia in general and the existing regime and the second important component . of course, this is an opportunity to earn huge funds because we see that many countries. by the way, not only china is looking for opportunities in what way you can raise your economy. this applies, for example, to georgia, which is now trying to build a hub in order to make it easier for russians to leave the russian federation, and turkey, which continues to offer flight points from russia to europe using hubs in istanbul, and other countries that are actively looking for their place and is actually trying to make money on its own interests at the expense of existing sanctions. the invasion of igor well, many analysts, in particular of the western e-e leading world media, write about the fact that these relations

have undergone a certain evolution, and if china once placed a greater bet on the victory of russia in this war , russia probably considered it a possible ally in the confrontation between the east and the global event there so now these relations are already becoming cooler, have they observed the evolution of the dynamics, despite the fact that eternal friendship and strategic partnership have been officially announced, in fact, russia is constantly turning to china with requests for more serious help, but the help provided to china is very limited and, moreover, it profits from russian problems, which the russians received due to sanctions due to the start of an aggressive war, and therefore china builds any relations solely on the basis of its benefits and on the basis of not entering any risk zone, moreover probably it would be in the interests of china to change the russian ideology and russian leaders. china is able to plan for a long time, this does not mean that china will

organize a coup or a mutiny in russia, but china is closely monitoring the situation and meets with any possible successors, that is why they invited mishustin for an official visit, received him at a very high level in the last two months , and valentina matvienko was given to china many industry leaders , negotiations are underway with all of them, and china is watching what the new russian government would look like, well, there is an ideological motive for china, it is important that the ideology of the new russian ballad is more left-wing, at least the chinese socialist is pushing its way around the world, and the current russian government is combradors and imperialists who steal from their people and hide funds somewhere abroad, that is, ideologically, they cannot be clear allies for chinese leaders, and therefore china would prefer that the humorous party of russia gain popularity somewhere and become a partner of new coalitions

, this is one of the architectural elements of that russia, which can be interesting china in the future, well, in general, china would like the whole of eurasia to at least profess a similar socialist ideology, which is why china has its own relations with socialists and social democrats throughout europe, and it wanted would like to have this arc and for this ideology to support china's infrastructure projects in ukraine, by the way, to the chinese, we have all your decommunization, we don't have any communist or even socialist parties, and that's why our rhetoric usually offends them a little , but we wisely don't talk about it with them how were the relations between our countries between china and ukraine transformed during the last large-scale invasion against the background of the fact that cooperation with russia has intensified in certain moments, what is the official beijing seeking now, and what is it asking from kyiv now? he thinks, uh, we finally have an ambassador. first of all, this is the second time he hasn't been there for such

a long time. he finally appeared here. here's how our relations are transforming into what china expresses interest in the ukrainian economy in infrastructure projects. china announces interest and the readiness to participate in the reconstruction projects of ukraine in it-components in the privatization of land because for china the land market is quite important and here in ukraine it is necessary to determine where it will be able to cooperate today and here ukraine communicates very correctly with the european union we we are moving towards the eu, it is now only developing its policies where there will be certain restrictions , let's say some strategic and those technologies are not allowed to the chinese company. okay, we will do the same as our european union partner, but as far as trade in household goods or raw materials is concerned, our main export product to china was iron ore , of course, it will be restored after the war, and therefore everything depends, of course, on politics. and this

is precisely the policy of president zelensky towards china, it is so very balanced and based exclusively in the national interests of ukraine, even if someone asks us for something, we consider all this through national interests, and probably our goal is to ensure the status of china as it is now, so that it does not start supplying lethal weapons to russia, we would like more we would like china to join the economic sanctions, but we understand that this is very unlikely. and therefore, if a polite and balanced policy is applied to the chinese peace plan, to the visits of the league of special representatives, to the speeches of china in saudi arabia, ukraine always emphasizes that she treats this with great respect, but at the same time promotes her peace formula in all negotiations with chinese delegations, and therefore as long as this balance is maintained, we have every real chance that china's policy will remain at least relatively neutral without direct support from russia let's talk about china's interests in ukraine further with ruslan osypenko

, executive director of the chinese trade association, ivan ruslana, congratulations , congratulations, former executive director, well , we have to betray it as we we just talked about china's interests in russia, and of course i would like to explain more for our viewers. and what can we offer, for example, to china in order to reduce this advantage in a positive attitude, for example, towards the russian federation from the side of the people's republic of china? sorry, we have little to offer to china, we have already given everything. the fact is that china bought all military technologies from ukraine because they are cheaper, and russia sold them more expensively. and we had soviet technologies , both russia and ukraine. there, it gave away from the bison there technology to a lot of things, it gave away everything, and now, well, there is nothing to offer us, even the technology

for the construction of aircraft carriers, we gave it there to a disco, as if they were disassembled there, but then they made an aircraft carrier out of it, because of that, and in trade , our trade is in the export of our china's exports are 096% of its imports. that is, the error is actually one percent if china stops trading with us, and it will not lose anything at all. and if we lose the chinese market , then we will lose somewhere around 5-6 billion dollars in revenues to the budget. we react cautiously to this kind of military aid, perhaps not even with lethal weapons, but to military aid from china to the russian federation. well, there are many factors here . first of all, the world has become bipolar and china has led the camp of these personalistic authoritarian regimes. it conducts its own policy and builds a parallel system of international

relations . and that's why we're just not in the weight category to do something to china, well , some chinese things, it opposes the united states of america and the ukrainian-russian war is just as possible to say one cell on the chessboard e of the great confrontation global because we are regional well, if you say in these categories we are a regional state they are a global state let's say in different categories to hear about the visit of the minister of defense e of the people 's republic of china, which is, by the way, under the sanctions of the united states about his visit to moscow to minsk in general, what is this visit about and what does he tell the civilized world about, well , first of all, this visit took place, is it such a shuttle

or a diplomat is a pendulum of china from one he is healing, he went to jeddah and there they were a little scared in moscow. what does this mean that china seems to be moving away from supporting the olive oil? actually, no, this is not the traditional diplomacy of eastern china. he will also benefit from the dialogue with the world community with the progressive and will support russia to collect for him, there are some dividends, reducing the potential of the west, as china thinks, well, continuing this war. therefore, this visit and the minister of defense , he balanced the visit of the special representative, who will wait for the first moment the second point that he appeared in belarus, well, china makes it clear to moscow two points, the first point is that moscow is still china's junior partner, and the second is that belarus is under the security umbrella of china, this is the second time when this demonstration is so

clearly being held for the kremlin the first is when there was a state visit, when lukashenko traveled to china and he was received as a state-level meeting with a state visit, well, that is , according to the protocol, all the parties there were given separately as the head of a separate state and now during visit to moscow separately on the agenda of this visit was a visit to belarus , plus china is establishing military-technological cooperation with the belarusian e-e because it is such a support point for china in central eastern europe. china still plans to use belarus in its plans because it is invested there a lot of funds and the private sector and the military sector in general

, interaction with belarus. in the field, with whom else can russia finalize rates, they saw how the forum russia army 20-23 was held , so we remember all these developments like the artificial intelligence of alyosha, like the inflatable temple of the ministry of defense, which in 10 minutes can be deployed, inflated, they say, and turned, and so they showed in fact, in particular, this temple is a field temple , to the representatives of the delegation of pakistan, i don’t know why pakistan needs orthodox inflatable temples. military e to the russian federation, this can also be indicative, however, on which the military-industrial complex of the russian federation is now betting on which it wants to attract to cooperation in the military sphere. yes, we see a rather high popularity of the participation of countries mainly in asia, the middle east and africa from two important components the first situation is

either economic cooperation - these are those countries that have fairly deep economic ties with the russian federation, primarily due to possible purchases of weapons from russia or for example, the purchase of agricultural products, these are the markets in which ukraine was less represented, the second important component, if we are talking about the countries of the middle east, asia, then this is precisely the opportunity to build with russia political relations in such a way that these countries become conditional silent blinkers for stolen russian funds because we see the first countries to which the russians began to flee, which have funds, it was precisely the dominant country of the middle east in relation to asia, then here, of course, in the face of china, russia still continues with itself to represent and there are some soviet technologies that are still interesting to china, although there are very few of these technologies left and

mostly more countries of the middle east cooperate in this direction, we see this picture very clearly in the morning when the russian federation is for them, in principle, in the first place turn is precisely the source of technologies under the conditions of the sanction of which this country exists p igor and i will return to this visit of the chinese minister of defense lee shanfu to both moscow and minsk and we understand that each visit is similar to at such a level a-and someone from the chinese e-e representatives of the authorities e he is still about something he e-e sends certain signals to the enemy he e-e he he prorizna but was this meeting possibly about some fundamental aspects about perhaps about defensive moments, maybe about how it should be, i don’t know how to negotiate there, maybe what they could have talked

about during these meetings, we can really only guess because the meetings were closed but china really has its own plan and not all points of this plan are to the liking of the russian federation let's say china's plan for the ukrainian war i mean let's say china always respects the principle of the sovereignty of the territorial integrity of ukraine for china this is important because the whole world almost all countries support the fact that the taiwanese are part of greater china the policy of one china as well as the united states and ukraine and therefore admit that some country can take a piece of another country, china will not allow anyone, russia does not like it, and therefore discussions can be globally political on how to end this war of course, and on a more tactical level, on which line will all this stop, what will be the security guarantees from both sides, because russia also requires certain security guarantees for itself, it may be because it is

the minister of defense, a conversation about how russian weapons have shown themselves on the battlefield in ukraine, and how can these technologies and tactical techniques be used by china because it no longer counts on the alliance of the russian army with china at all, he showed that the army did not perform very well in the war against ukraine. it lost this is what can be counted on for military and technical assistance, or is sending the armed forces in a war to a supernatural area of ​​hostilities. china cannot but see how weapons are used here and how these weapons can be avoided by countering the support of ukraine. well, the meeting in jila just demonstrated that. - that the united states is quickly making up for what they lost, that they lost time and gave china an opportunity to actively

rise peacefully . results and look in central asia, southeast asia, the middle east, africa , and it has already reached almost all of latin america, but understanding that china is actively working and drawing new followers into its politics, the big seven in japan adopted the decision to create a fund worth 600 billion dollars in order to help the countries of the global south reduce their dependence on china and those things, there is a strategically prescribed plan, how will all this be hidden, plus before that, the strategies of the european union have changed 29 in june, he modified his strategy, which is aimed at diversifying relations with china and delhi, reducing the risks

of monopolistic relations from china to the united states. the strategy has long since changed, but they are implementing it, so in fact, the meeting in jin demonstrated that china did not want to be there, but due to the fact that it was possible to attract the countries of the global rooster, which are followers of china, china had to go there and send its representative, this says that it is managed in some degrees, he lost this race for the allies and now there is such a rubber band that continues, as i see it, you can tell from the meeting of er biden with representatives of japan and south korea, when they strengthened the union, they actually agreed to support geopolitical china there to create such and such a conglomerate er that is, now there is a struggle at the level of the unions, dragging allies into camps between the united states , which thank you, thank you for explaining ruslan

osypenko, former executive director of the chinese trade association, join the of our broadcast, and p bohdane, once again returning to the military topic, a-and we see how much the internal military-industrial complex of the russian federation is being transformed in a certain way, recently it was reported that russia is already using drones of its own production against ukraine, before they had to export them to be more precise, they had to be imported from the same iran there, and then how was it reported that they helped the iranians to build , in particular, a plant for the production of balls in turkmenistan to what extent well, you have to be sober evaluate the enemy in general, and how quickly the russians are trying to rearrange their military missile defense system in order to establish the production of the ammunition they need there, for example, the same drones and ammunition, and whether we can keep up with this pace

, well, i understand that it is always nice to hear that in russia is ending, everything is coming to an end, but we see that it is very difficult to predict , this is how we see that the military-industrial complex of the russian federation continues to mobilize actually since the end of last year, the beginning of this year, this process has become somewhat more active if before that they still calculated some kind of quick solution during the war. here she understands that the war is beginning to drag on, the economy and the military complex are beginning to mobilize . which are significantly behind those plans that were announced because it was only until the end of the 23rd year that they planned to produce several hundred units of these kamikaze drones during

the next year, it was about several thousand to date, several units of data on drones have been revealed, and at least this data, which was precisely based on the disassembled drones, contains information that they are of lower quality than iranian drones. this process will somehow quickly stop, that is, they will try to increase the production of these drones in the future. here, in principle , the appearance of long-range weapons is important for ukraine. of course, first of all, ukrainian long-range weapons damage in order to be able to destroy such military facilities , which today are located at a distance of about 500-700 km from the borders with ukraine, that is, if ukraine has its own means of destruction up to 1000 km, in principle , such

enterprises can be absolutely calmly destroyed here which produce weapons is the second important component, we see that the sanctions on the one hand have made it much more difficult for the military-industrial complex to work. at the same time, they find opportunities to circumvent these sanctions for in order to receive critically necessary components not in the quantity that we would like, but at the same time, the volume in some positions has tripled compared to the 22nd year, for example . that is, we see that after all, russia is mobilizing and it is important for the world today as well to mobilize and as strictly as possible limit any possibilities of re-export to the russian federation of any chip technologies and other components thank you for helping to summarize bohdan belin is an aviation expert joined our let's talk about the more political aspects, mr. igor, let's definitely talk about what

kind of policy china will follow in the future, and in relation to russia and ukraine, what else will he surprise us with, what levers can he press and on what to influence china, i want to show myself in this world as a global peacemaker. china credits itself with the fact that it has joined the negotiations between saudi arabia and iran literally in recent months about the same thing, with the mediation of china, and these countries between which there are a lot of contradictions, a few months ago they concluded their native agreement, it was probably even called a defeat of american diplomacy, it is clear that american diplomats also wanted to be a mediator, but it was precisely in china that it succeeded better, so china would naturally like to show that its contribution to peace efforts is a peaceful settlement in ukraine will be just as important as it happened in the middle east, and for this china will continue to promote its

model, which in part completely coincides with our formula for peace with regard to nuclear security of humanitarian aspects but of course the question of withdrawal , the complete withdrawal of all territories of ukraine , it remains controversial and it is discussed and depends in many respects on the situation on the battlefield. what tactics will official beijing adopt regarding our country as an aggressor country in the near future ?

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