[000:00:00;00] humanitarian aspects but, of course, the question of the complete withdrawal of the number of troops from the territory of ukraine remains controversial and is discussed and depends in many respects on the situation on the battlefield. p mykhailo greetings, good day. before that, we talked about how china's relations with russia and china's relations with ukraine were transformed , especially during the full-scale invasion, and now we are talking about what tactics the official beijing will adopt in relation to our state regarding the aggressor country in the near future and maybe then the second question is whether china will be ready to go to certain agreements, it is possible to sacrifice some of its interests or

such progress has taken place. i mean in the solution of the war in ukraine here. years after the covid history and so on, china has undergone its own internal transformations , in fact, there has been such an even greater centralization of power, and china has also managed to remove the uyghur issue, the global international agenda, and with taiwan, things are far from the same it just looks like it used to look, as for what china calls the ukrainian crisis, unfortunately, it is not very adequate from our point of view, but the fact is that china does not need either russia's victory or defeat, and china sees the same thing in relation to ukraine, for example , the war 20 years ago china to a certain extent, well even so, developed good relations with the ukrainian authorities, we had there also at the level

of agribusiness and many other things. and even now, in principle, this is the case, but what concerns specifically in such a geopolitical dimension, here we see that china has increased its trade with the russian federation by almost one and a half times. china helps the russian federation to circumvent sanctions. this is already clear. although china is not the only one . it’s just that if the united states could press on kyrgyzstan there, and not very successfully, then with china. well, the situation is more complicated here, so china, in fact, is i don't think there are any red lines and talk about some kind of support for weapons . well, it's a case, i don't know what should happen to russia in order for china to start supplying weapons there, but china is seen as a conflict that wants to, so it should become an advantage in principle, this position is the acquirer, and it is not hidden by the chinese, that is, again , china is determined to play long

, that is, it suits the chinese if the war continues for years and, in principle, the parties will exhaust each other, and china will keep a few trump cards in your hands and try to play someone's side or another, but just like some european countries, well, in no way prevent even what would be considered a defeat for russia. saved face and russia lost on whether or not it will be china's turn then. that is, it will already threaten the security of china itself, and here it is obvious that the range of action in which china will work, and well, in principle , it has been approved by itself and will be somewhere within these limits further and to move, no matter how long the war lasts, a year 2 5 10, that is, to expect changes from

the leadership in china at the moment, which is impossible, unless , well, there will be a new history in taiwan and we will have to work, but in the near future, it seems to me that china will not change its tactics to drain resources from russia and, so to speak, play on its side, but not too much so that it would be possible to go back to neutrality in the event of something , mr. mykhailo, you say that the war can last for years and china, in principle, may be interested in this, uh, we had an alternative the thought at the beginning of the conversation when heard from mr. igor that in fact china is also suffering from this war and he is suffering from the fact that his economy and foreign trade are not developing as dynamically as they could , and he, too, his economy will hold out for years three possible such opinions have been voiced, you say for years, what is this margin of safety for china, well, the margin of safety

of china lies in its rather powerful economy and the fact that china is a west, at the moment we are ready to impose severe sanctions on china and the chinese know very well otherwise he behaved differently, they said the same at the beginning, when sanctions were introduced against russia, that almost everything will be gone, there will be no planes , there will be no cars, nothing will happen, russia has held its own and even shows the results of economic growth despite all the troubles, so in china something has fallen there the level of the national currency is now the exchange rate of the national currency is now the same in china, the decline in economic activity is unprecedented, but let's not forget that china has experienced it, you see, e.p. mykhailo says that in fact it's not a year, not two to three, and china's strength will be enough for years, and you definitely have what can i say? well, i didn’t say that china would develop in 3 years

, i said that it would happen. well, it will hold, but it will also only be here. it also affects the mood, despite the fact that chinese society has really become even more controlled and social credit implemented not only as pilots, but also throughout china , the chinese leadership takes into account the public mood if the middle classes are poor, if fewer enterprises are opened, if industrial production falls, it also adds to internal tension and uh, i like to see the chinese leader's greetings for the new year eh that is, they are very specific. he lists in which provinces what all the figures on the average salary and pensions are made, that is, he reports to his people . if we did not evaluate, let’s say the ideology of china

which is different from the ukrainian ideology, but they pay a lot of attention to the level of well-being in the public mood , and the chinese model of the last 15 years. problems if it is related to the security situation in the world, the chinese government will respond to it, i wanted to return to the lg summit sometime ukraine, in particular, and saudi arabia sat at the 11th table with joint representatives of the united states and china on both hands. so to speak, both literally and figuratively, and to what extent china's involvement in this process of discussing the end of this war without russia can be effective. that is, is it possible , thanks to such global players as china , the united states, and a certain circle of strong economies, to solve or build an effective mechanism for ending

this war on the terms of ukraine without involving of the russian federation. what do you think, mr. mykhailo? well, to be honest, it's hard for me to imagine it except for the scenario of a total war. now we see that it is gd who has already left the front pages of the press, even the arab ones. well, he actually became the pr of maghabad salman, and there are also parts of the saudi the elite had several comments. that's all, and about the new meeting, especially here after the summit, when ukraine is currently not invited to the g20 in india , that is, our foreign ministry says that negotiations are not underway, but they have not been invited yet, because they say there are economic problems of the countries and the danger from countries, that is, and not some security issues, that is, it is demarcated

, and i see that , in fact, people themselves. - even now they are already discussing the arrival of planes to ukraine. there we are at 16 and so on. and this is from the point of view of an average and arab and even some asian countries observer, well, this is an indication that the war is escalating, this is raising the stakes in the war, that is, diplomatic efforts are not the same thing works, the grain agreement seems to be making some kind of contact there, literally, something has to be resolved by someone in the format, but if it is not resolved, that is , qatar, turkey, together with russia, i will start hauling stolen grain from ukraine there. well, i don’t know then how they will react, dear western partners, which i will repeat once again, they keep telling me that russia will pay a high price, i will not see all of this, everything has to pay

, we understand what you are talking about. well, let's hope that after all. will reach certain new levels, it will be very interesting to see how they will develop. mikhail yakubovych, a pedologist , joined our broadcast. thank you for trying to understand such complex things in simple words. yuri, we have a few minutes to finish our conversation. they mentioned the visit. of the minister of defense of china to moscow to er to belarus, should we wait for a similar visit to kyiv, this is the first question and the second question will be what to expect, for example, at the er g20 summit, will there be the issue of ukraine there raised and how active the discussion is, at least. as for our relations with china, the first year of the war, everything was generally difficult, but then there was a telephone conversation between zinkivny and volodymyr zelenskyi

, the ambassador of ukraine was appointed, and as a result of the first half of the 23rd year, china is the first trading partner in terms of imports into ukraine for 3.5 billion, they took the first place in terms of imported goods, and in terms of exports, they were third after poland , romania, which, again, is natural, so relations with china are important both economically and geopolitically, and we see that china influences the opinion of many countries, including, of course, we hope for the influence of china in a positive way for us at the g-20 summit, i see that in saudi arabia, ukraine presented its peace formula to forty-two countries and discussed the details of this behind closed doors these are not just the names of the sections. there are a lot of details worked out on how to implement it, that is, a realistic formula, but the representative of mexico did not come at all . saudi arabia said that without russia, i will not

discuss. the representative of brazil joined online and also criticized in many respects the very fact of the absence of russia in what happened. okay, you, er, you will be russia. of course, it will not be vladimir putin, but bulavrova, because they will determine the level of representation of the delegation, and he will answer all the questions that they have after communication with the ukrainian delegation in saudi arabia, and that is why it is important for us. indeed, it will not happen at the plenary sessions. they have already stated that at the plenary sessions they only talk about the economy, but these meetings are held first of all, for sideline bilateral conversations of meetings at various levels, including security, well, in general. to sum it up, i absolutely agree with you , i agree that these relations have probably undergone a transformation.

russia's war against ukraine, after all, libra is more inclined to russia on the part of china , after all, as support, but again, this is not because china does not treat ukraine that way, it is because china is a global contradiction by the united states of america and that is why he views this war in many respects as a war of russia against the global west and therefore it is clear that he could theoretically help russia even more, therefore he is deterred by china from being drawn into the war from supplying russia with attack drones, which in russia have their own no, but in china there is enough artillery and artillery shells of that caliber, which is the russian army, there is a lot of this in china. and in fact, he could theoretically supply it either directly or, say, through north korea in the old stock, soviet stocks. they do not differ, what production and who delivered it and who drove it. north korea asked for exactly such a hybrid delivery scheme , the chinese do not accept this today, and

therefore i will repeat the task of our diplomacy to keep china at least at this level of what china considers a neutral a very important summary. thank you for it. ihor popov , a political scientist, joined us in the studio. thank you for visiting. we will move on . we will talk about what is currently happening at the front. offensive operation, we have recently seen such alarming enough messages in the western media that draw everyone's attention, although the references are actually mostly to anonymous sources in one or another government offices, however, the topic of the ukrainian offensive operation in the context is again a message from the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine about the fact that fall will be diplomats, because ukraine will lean towards negotiations and we will talk about this further with a direct participant in what is currently happening on the ukrainian front but first of all, we will provide the following information on the left bank of the kherson region, the defense forces are carrying out a counter-battery for

cleaning the positions of fortune tellers, the head of the joint coordination center of the force defense of southern ukraine, nataliya humenyuk, said about this on the air of the telethon. she noted that the enemy's artillery has advanced and now he is forced to move and now he is forced more using drones and aviation for strikes is now the most effective way - this is counter- battery combat and precisely because we clear and remove very large artillery area, the enemy was forced to use more aviation and attack drones, we can see this from the reports that they use air influence more often . since we understand that they have been knocked out of their positions, therefore , we will wait for the moment until sufficient territory is cleared, then we will talk about the advancement of the defense forces. at the same time, president zelenskyi explained why the ukrainian the defenders did not start the counteroffensive even earlier. the head of state emphasized that ukraine did not have enough weapons

and other equipment to start actively moving forward. he told about this under during the press conference with the prime minister of denmark honey and federiksa, our military did not do powerful counter-offensive actions before because, well, honestly, there was nothing to do with it, and if you have a shortage of armored vehicles, a shortage of tanks, everything is very simple well, simply losing people can kill thousands of people, it is a very difficult, complex process. well, we are moving forward without losing our motivation, i cannot criticize our partners today , because today, like every ukrainian, i receive support from our partners and that is why

i can only be grateful for this support today. oleksandr morozov, a serviceman of the armed forces of ukraine , mr. oleksandr. we congratulate you and thank you for the feat that you and your comrades are doing, for the fact that we can conduct this broadcast. that the armed forces should not only believe in the armed forces, but also help whoever can . so, alexander, what can you say to those who complain that the speed of the offensive operation is not the same, it needs to be faster, it needs to be more powerful. what can you tell them, god, what i can say, i can say why someone is not satisfied with the speed of any operation, you simply take, become a participant in this operation and take part in it, and how , with your secret example, you show how you are needed

if poland world war ii well, there was no such scale of soldiers on the land territory, well, that is, if the tactics of vietnam and the perspective were simply merciless aviation that destroyed the enemy. two legs. well, i can afford to say that. and if someone doesn't like their sofa , you take your fifth point and tear it off the sofa. they promised, in particular, from the sixties, they are searchers, how much air support is really lacking now, and well, we haven’t received these boards yet, but according to your idea, how

much can it really make life easier for our servicemen at the front, in particular in in the context of the stormtroopers who drive, well, look, we have a little, you know, such national fun, we then everything and immediately get nothing and a little bit, well, it can’t be that the sagittarius is happening at the command of the hearer why, even with the availability of the flight equipment itself, it is necessary there must be full support in the form of its maintenance, the appearance and constant combat of the kit and in order not to waste time so that there are no downtimes and well, you cannot be like that the aviation arrived there did everything and there would be further as you want, everything should be coordinated interaction between all units and types of troops that perform one or another task in one or another sector. and here is the distorted distorted understanding of people in general about those two

wars, what is being done for what, well, that is, if you have some free time, you can turn off the televisions and wait there's a little bit of history uh and anything that will bring you closer to this for this war to this action like me is happening now and just about when you still lead a civilian life besides reading history and what can you advise besides that reading to those who have not yet received a mobilization letter in order to probably prepare for when it will be your turn to take part in hostilities, listen if we have any specific specimens who believe that they are their seeds and they will sit out no them not me they are not sit down and this is directly the war in which absolutely everyone will have to take part and it doesn't matter whether

you were born for the war or not born for the war for the war. morozu has to go to the army three times, and there is some vasya pupkin who has never to go . deputy prosecutor, anyone, do you have any armor there? well, this war is for a long time and people should understand that by now, well, that is, of course they slept there and were brainwashed there, be ready for a critical

development of events, and how will it be actually for these people, what give advice there, you don't care, son a deputy or a simple person from a sleeping area of ​​one of the ukrainian cities and probably go through some kind of training to study probably yes honey to go maybe to shooting, what do you advise such a subject to these people, despite my experience, i started there from 11 o'clock in the 12th year in the elite regiment of the landing party , despite 14-15 31 days of participation in this company, everything is the same , tactics change, both our practice and the tactics of the enemy, and you have to constantly learn and learn when we return there with the execution of a combat mission. if we were not in the composition of the entire relative of the entire group, we analyze and simulate the situation

in which we had to get into and we study with the personnel we prepare the entire personnel so that they can navigate there in such conditions in which this or that part of our unit e- ordinary people who are not yet in the army, well, you need to be able to provide first aid to yourself and your fellow citizens, you need to, well, you know me , mmm is posting something, we have no days off, we are tired , we want to rest, it is very good that the days i am in the armed forces very good everyone needs some relaxation or because a person is tired of being at work from 8 to six something there is some paper and falling from left to right you have a bush of opportunities you have a lot of free time, well, that is

, there is nothing to do go to the hole i have nothing to do take a swing i don't know what to do, take a read, you said that not only ours and the enemy's tactics are changing , but you can tell us about the direction in which you are now, without specifying, just tell us about the dynamics of these changes in the enemy's tactics. it is possible that the enemy is resorting to some tricks to in order to inflict er, the war is generally built on the fact that who outwits whom at one time or another, in relation to the trickster, that well , it is far from a secret that er, the enemy began er to withdraw his trenches after the arrival of our units er in their trenches they began to blow up remotely, and all this also changes tactics every three months, they update their methods of working out, they learn directly, er, in practice, they analyze

, they monitor whether estrus is happening, er, this whimsical and yet incomprehensible thing there small and all the rest, well, listen, it doesn’t happen like that if, uh, even if he is there somehow, i’m sorry for saying years ago, but if this rocket is a machine gun, it’s already a potential threat to my life, and here’s the enemy’s soldering and underestimation of him, well, that’s also played a rather big problem among the population, because at first people were told that well, they are there, they are nobody. what if it turns out?

medunik or honey is beautiful because it is nice to introduce people to oman with some kind of narratives. how everything is beautiful in our country, well, well, it is better to tell the truth , how painful it was, and by joint actions to make a joint decision in victory in this war, and not a million for their own. i, everyone else is sitting those who will watch it on tv , wherever they are, well, that is, you are just trying to explain the real state of affairs, and i would like to hear a little more about it , in particular mr. oleksandr, can i ask you about what helps you and your brothers in these those who are in the rear can't even imagine those who have never been to the front he can't even fantasize about something like that what helps you stay there well what helps is internal motivation well that

is training by comrades who are with you well that is it doesn't matter where you're going, it's important who you're going with. well, you know, today is my first day on vacation and, uh, i feel much more uncomfortable there in the dnipro or in kyiv. or anywhere near people i don't know who are so into this army before this war and don't dope er i it's a lot i felt more comfortable in the basement in walnut and together with my boys or somewhere in some trenches in the gray zone and be them , oleksandr, we know that they often write letters to the front and send gifts, small souvenirs that support the fighters there during the shelling during what the enemy is doing

, we know that you had some special story with the little angel, can you tell about it at the end? little baby to me just a minibus gave me such a little angel, in principle, he passed with me absolutely, this hot spot was in all cities commissions starting there from donetsk airport and something, i went through things like that, i found a red eye, i remembered it, i wrote a post. this is the boy who once gave it to me , eh. today, since i am going on vacation , i went to vinnytsia region via zhytomyr in order to meet him and give him something from myself, because it is a touching story, then let's go we will meet one day on the air, you will tell the continuation of it. thank you very much. oleksandr morozov, a serviceman of the armed forces of ukraine, was in touch with us, they talked

about important things, and in particular about resilience , the incredibly amazing resilience demonstrated by our military, which surprises the whole world, and this hour with you is to improve a little the world, we hope they helped oleksih kateryna derkach thank you for being with us and the food chevrons that bring victory closer and another year when we do not celebrate but choose our

independence another day when we they are trying to deprive us of the right to be ourselves and another instant of a terrible war that has been going on for centuries, but the whole world has already convinced us of our independence not to be trampled not to be drowned not to be burned not to be shot and the greater our hatred you are the stronger our independence is the closer our victory is independence is proven every day if a person close to you has joined to the armed forces of ukraine you should know the rank , position, number of the military unit, the company , the battalion, the contacts of the commanders, and the contacts of comrades will be useful. keep