[000:00:00;00] who destroyed this s400. thank you, mr. oleksandr oleksandr kovalenko, the military-political columnist of the information resistance group was with us further in italy of the espresso tv channel, news and anna eva melnyk. i am ready to tell about the most important thing at the moment. congratulations, colleagues. indeed , the news editor will tell about the important thing, i will start this issue and of military aid to ukraine from finland finland approved the 18th package of military aid to ukraine for 94 million euros, this is reported on the website of the local government, this batch included a heavy weapons and ammunition for security purposes, the details are not disclosed, the truth is added, they took into account both the needs of the armed

forces of ukraine and the state itself, the winter in ukraine will be a difficult preparation for the heating season , prime minister denys shmygal discussed with his finnish colleague also about assistance to finland for our energy system and restoration of ukraine, we will strengthen cooperation in this direction, because the winter will also be difficult, we are preparing as much as possible, we have already pumped more than 13 billion cubic meters of gas, we are repairing and restoring our energy facilities half a million people is the approximate number of victims of the war in ukraine among civilians and soldiers on both sides, according to the un deputy secretary-general for political affairs rosmarie dicarlo, according to the official expectations of the organization. over a year and a half of the war in our country killed more than 9,000 civilians , including more than half a thousand children 17,000 people were injured, and karla emphasized

that these are only confirmed figures. and the real ones may be much higher. wagnerites in belarus are becoming fewer and fewer mercenaries are going on vacation to russia andriy demchenko, the spokesman of the state border service, said that they are not returning, but the military began to leave even before the plane crash with the head of the communist party of ukraine yevgeny prigozhin, who died on august 23. it was a hot summer in russia . a fire broke out on one of the beaches of the krasnodar region. vacationers say that they heard explosions, followed by flames in in one of the hangars where boats were stored

, the fire is getting stronger in odesa. the contract for the construction of sports fields for a total cost of more than 23 million hryvnias, among other things, it was planned to lay a new artificial surface of the football field and install lighting there, however, the work was recorded only on paper, the allocated money - more than a million hryvnias was divided between the suspects, now they face up to 8 years in prison, new cars for the armed forces of ukraine, symbolically to the day of independence for the 24th military brigades , volunteers presented evacuation vehicles , pickup trucks or jeeps, the most popular models cars at the front, the need for them is constant, because they often break down and come under enemy fire, it works . a very large team of volunteers comments are pinched, hey, this is a big fund that buys cars, and each of these cars is

a lot of work to bring to ukraine to repair it, repaint it and then transfer it to the front line is a lot of work and a lot of money, but you know, we constantly receive reports about destroyed fast and wrecked evacuation vehicles and every time the heart stops because you understand what it is human losses and this and this technique. it really does not work in such a way as to save the lives of more than four million passengers. they managed to evacuate by rail from the beginning of the full-scale invasion of the russian federation. when the airports were closed, the railwaymen began to evacuate people from all dangerous regions of our country. now , instead of airplanes, world leaders travel by train to ukrainian bridge trains are the first to arrive in the de-occupied territories and railwaymen dream of being the first to come to the crimea

donetsk and luhansk stories of iron men let's see, we are standing on the crown, and the train consists of 10 wagon drivers, this is a small number of people , 800-700 people could be taken there, and several thousand were on the platform. on the way to the capital, when panic began among passengers in front of kyiv, among the passengers , we also later, as an analysis was made, realized that there were saboteurs who asked to break the stopcocks so that the trains would be delayed, but

on the same day, the railwaymen realized that people it is necessary to take them out the same evening, the train was brought in for boarding, the carriages started all the women, children and those who had a ticket, so the train crew of the kyiv-uzhhorod route worked for 13 days without breaks, we took people there and back, first there we were the first trips, nothing , and then already began here humanita help goes starts with okhmatdyt really needed diapers er children questions children er medicines and from there so you understand five by four or five wagons were loaded er these prices that is, help the railway is not stopped because she had a clear plan of action, assures the head of the passenger route oleksandr percovskyi, and on february 24, the first decision was to cancel the fare and make all flights evacuation except for people, the railway also rescued four-legged animals, we roughly estimate that about four million ukrainians were

rescued from the hottest points at that time of them, this is more than a million children, and we even count that 120,000 130,000 were pets, the railway suffered losses since the beginning of a full-scale war, two trains remained in mariupol, they were supposed to withdraw the ukrainians from the city of maria. yes, the situation was already difficult. i consider the losses to be only the loss of people, everything else is absolutely, well , material things that will definitely get us . let's say that we lost two complete train sets in mariupol because we lastly, those first days, when it was still possible to get to mariupol, we sent trains there, took people out, and one day the trains stopped in one direction, it was probably one of the most difficult decisions to make a decision about what to send, and then to volnovas communication was interrupted, so there was no way back, when people were saved and the armed forces of ukraine pushed back the russians, the railway continued to operate, passenger flights returned and began to develop new directions

. during the year and a half of a large-scale war , railway operators updated services, now you can taste coffee and eight types of tea on the train , they bought new carriages there are about a hundred of them and they don't stop there, they completely reconstructed the park of city and suburban electric trains , cleaned and secured the central railway station, let's say the train we made special feeding times with doctors without borders, this train is a hospital, which has resuscitation and the rest of the medical equipment, a lot of civilians were saved after the shelling in kramatorsk, hospitals were saved on this train, we put a lot of emphasis on digitization, because during military operations , when there were many strikes on railway infrastructure for energy, it is important for people to navigate and have a point of confidence in what is happening, that is why our mobile application , which now already has more than a million and 200,000

users, was born over the years was born precisely during military operations, even shelling does not stop the work of the railway in winter, alternative sources were used, and delays were kept to a minimum, ukrainians abroad have already managed to appreciate the advantages of the domestic carrier and even mock the railway - these are railway workers, these are conductors, locomotive drivers, infrastructure workers who did not leave their positions on february 24, despite all this emotional burden, they do their work, they find emotions to smile, be friendly, and work so that ukrainians who return sometimes return only for to hug their loved ones a few days ago, but they see that the railway is working, it means there is life and they decide to stay here , this is the railway for me, in addition to ensuring the operation of domestic flights , several new directions of international transportation have been opened in recent months, the most popular are to the polish helm and the hungarian debrecen dmytro didora

yulia bielska the espresso tv channel tells you everything about it. see you at 16:00 . read more about important things on our espresso tv website. subscribe to our channels on social networks. stay close and further for you will be worked by my colleagues oksana vysochanska and antinburkovsky 10 for the third information day of the espresso channel, we will inform you about all the most important events of today, and in fact it is organized jointly with the iryna koval charitable foundation, this is a collection for new ukrainian development, namely platforms with turrets , robotic modules for radio control with the help of such platforms can be used to transport wounded soldiers from the battlefield or bring both supplies to the battlefield. and if

you place a special turret on such a platform, then the platform turns into a robot machine gunner that can only be controlled by a person at a distance , we need to buy two such platforms for the da vinci wolves and for the combined tactical group adam, they are from the first days. for two platforms, we encourage you to join this assembly in order to purchase platforms for our defenders as soon as possible dear tv viewers, the fighters are asking for help with the turrets, yes, the story is extremely important, the assembly is not, i don’t know, mega-big, so if there is an opportunity, yes, please join us, we understand that it is summer, so with finances, everything is not very good. well, but 50-100 uah each. i think that we should close that collection in the near future. moreover, extremely important news is coming from the south. the defense force in the south was successful in two directions and

are fixed, the general staff informs the directions of novodanilivka, novo prokopivka and little tokmachka, reeding, they were successful , they are fixed on the reached rough places, they inflict fire damage, artillery on detected enemy targets, take measures of counter-battery fighting, so in the village, the defenses continue to conduct offensive actions south of the city of bakhmut, they are entrenched at the achieved boundaries. we welcome you to ukraine, maryana. good day. to begin with , we will ask you to tell us what your job is, your immediate task . the european union is preparing for

of the future international court at which war crimes in ukraine will be considered and now in italy the prosecutor's office of italy is collecting testimonies of refugees who came to this country and applied for temporary residence for temporary protection, we listen to them and record their stories, that is, the data that are being gathered, in particular, by the prosecutor's office of italy. they have full, so to speak, legal force for the new one, in particular, we are talking about further legal procedures, so it is undoubtedly a preparation for the future court, which and this gathering is not only in italy, but in all countries the european union and the italian prosecutor's office works in ukraine , in particular on the territory of ukraine. this is how witnesses are interviewed on the territory of ukraine. the prosecutor's office works only with

ukrainian refugee witnesses. not everyone's testimony is relevant, because only those crimes listed in the geneva convention are taken into account. however, we also found witnesses who gave very important testimony, including sexual violence is also the shooting of the civilian population and other serious crimes, yes, now we offer to watch a short story . at the end of july , the international center for prosecution for crimes of aggression against ukraine began its work in gaza. they collect evidence and document the crimes of the russian occupiers in order to bring the guilty to justice. let's look at this away in our studio is maryana soronevich , a public figure, a consultant, a consultant to the central prosecutor's office of italy on

the investigation of war crimes of russia on territories of ukraine, ukraine began work on creating a tribunal for the russian leadership literally from the first days of the war, from the beginning, such a prospect seemed almost unreal, the partners called this idea too ambitious, proposed to use already existing legal mechanisms, and russian tanks were then standing a few kilometers from kyiv for these one and a half years 38 countries of the world joined the coalition for the creation of the tribunal from all contents of many of our international partners there is no question whether a special terminal should be created answer yes because its non-creation will have very negative consequences for all international law, we have a koru of groups, a coalition of states, where today there are 38 states, this is a state that supports the idea of ​​creating a special terminal and together are looking for ways to solve this issue. now the question is only in what form the tribunal will function. the first option is the creation of a special tribunal based on the agreement of ukraine on the organization of its united here

general assembly consisting of 193 countries of the world presents or calls on the secretary general with its a resolution to conclude an agreement with the state. the second way - this is the so-called nuremberg model, when an agreement is concluded between countries that agree to create a certain judicial body . the third format is a hybrid national court with significant international elements. this is what we are working with - what kind of support is needed for this, seriously wide and how many countries do we need to support a lot and what kind of model i am sure that we together know that as international partners we will find an answer to this, our goal is to find a common denominator, to find the format, the model that will suit ukraine , of course, first of all, and of course for our international partners, the best way to create any which tribunal through the un security council for consideration in any court in

gas in our situation, it is not realistic , since it is russia and china that are permanent members of the un security council, moreover, neither ukraine nor the ref signed the rome statute and the campanian amendments necessary for this, instead, the largest our friends in the world support the hybrid option , it is about the usa, great britain, france, japan, italy, and germany. of the state for the creation of such an international court, this will require changes to the constitution, to the constitution, a huge risk, the risk that the legal assessment of the crime of aggression committed by russia in relation to ukraine will actually narrow down to the level of an inter-state conflict we do not need a decision by a tribunal in the name of ukraine or it needs a decision by a tribunal in the name of the civilized world for full legitimacy ukraine seeks to involve more countries from the traditionally

russian regions of africa, asia, latin america in the creation of the tribunal costa rica, yes, guatemala, when it comes to the judges of this tribunal, you can be invited to participate in this capacity as judges of representatives of the global cock for example, those lawyers, those judges who participated and have experience in the creation of other international tribunals, the tribunal allows to bypass the immunity of the president, prime minister, and minister of foreign affairs of any country prescribed in international law. it can also convict criminals in absentia, unlike an international criminal court tribunals are not a very common phenomenon after the second world war, in particular, the nuremberg and tokyo trials were conducted by only two african-irish tribunals worked for more than 20

years and sentenced dozens of guilty persons to life the former prime minister was imprisoned for crimes against humanity, among the proven cases of encouraging hateful propaganda by the media radio thousand hills , and the ex-president of yugoslavia, slobodan milosevic , did not live to see his sentence, he was accused of dozens of crimes of genocide created by concentration camps as well as crimes against humanity after the breakup of yugoslavia valeriya pashko andriy verstyuk tv channel espresso studio espressova is located marianna sorenevich public figure consultant of the central prosecutor's office of italy on investigative issues of russia's war crimes on the territory of ukraine olga panimiryanov together with us watched the stories, we understand that well, the formation of the tribunal in itself is extremely positive , but it is also important that according to which model everything will work and, accordingly, who can be part of that tribunal at one time, we would have to speak of the brilliant career of carl del ponte

, which ended in some public fiasco , in particular, after she made an official statement that anti-government anti-sadi forces use chemical weapons, this is from her it was not comilfo on the side, at least. so we understand how assad acted and who actually used chemical weapons. well, but also as a result of the revised plot, what conclusions do you come to, which model will be, which model is being considered, that is, which model can actually work, it seems to me that now it is very important e- it is the important work of each of us journalists and witnesses in order to tell as much as possible about war crimes and testify to record them at the official level , perhaps it will also depend on this and the model of the future court model for now, that's all

the preparatory process, what is going on, the preparatory process, what else? well, it will be very long, and it is difficult to predict what the model of the future court will be, so far, we are working on the current current problems of gathering evidence and how difficult is it to obtain the recording of crimes? we already talked a little about the types of crimes , what the victims testify about, what the witnesses testify about , and the question is how to check the truth itself, because we understand that russia works on all fronts, and in particular on the information front. they are also very active, in fact, so that there are no cases when some false information that is known to be false starts to get into these testimonies , how do you verify the information and maybe there are some stages and

what each witness goes through crimes and how this information is checked. so far, the investigation is still in its infancy and we are only conducting a fixation and, of course, there is also the identification of these people, the identification of their registrations, and uh, we work only with eyewitnesses who were directly by victims or indirect witnesses of these crimes, and then there is a commission that works on the spot , in particular, after the russian troops leave , and they are already working to record the facts , these two methods of investigation run parallel to each other, we understand that in ukraine there was such a thing as political will in order to investigate certain crimes , well, now we see that in italy, in particular, in

georgia melania, there is political will, but we do not forget that italy is not only about george melody is also about silveo berlusconi and in general about powerful political and economic clans that were connected with russia, now they are not able to publicly shape the agenda, so to speak. i watched all the series, yes, you are right, there are indeed movements, but the strength of ukraine lies in the fact that we will be supported by the european union, and therefore the governments of various countries also support george melanie's ukraine. before the full-scale war, she was more pro-russian than pro-ukrainian. but after the european parliament defined its position in italy, russia has always

been a very prominent such political player , in particular water. at first, the soviet union once again supported the left parties of italy , the communist party, but now these parties have moved away from being and russia, and more from flirts with the five-star movement, which tries to please everyone, and they are actually the subject of that political force that promotes pro-russian narratives. they do not have the courage to defend russia. they defend peace, the so-called peace with quotes, that is, peace in which ukraine must to surrender but but the italian government now wants to achieve a just peace in which ukraine should win the holy father pope francis how his sometimes very strange

statements are perceived in italy and in general how do you evaluate these or other peacekeeping efforts of the vatican in quotes or without quotes the position of the vatican is very clear. on the one hand, the vatican helps refugees and treats war victims and sends humanitarian aid to ukraine, but on the political side, the pope tries to identify the aggressor and the victim and ukraine and this kind of humanism, unfair humanism, you can call it that, it is not accepted by the ukrainian community, the ukrainian community a-a spoke er -er spoke and our embassy opposes

such er statements of the pope, but er-er about that other other nations listen to him and it is possible of course that someone likes the pope, yes, and in general, this is what russian aggression looks like in the eyes of an average italian with low offices , and i don’t know taxi drivers or, uh, pod masters, well, vitaliy and the vatican have a special relationship historically, they have been developing for many years and when italy was formed as a united state, the vatican's influence on it significantly increased, although the vatican still has privileges, for example , regarding the payment of taxes on real estate and other privileges, so the relations between italy and the vatican are conflicting, in fact, historically, they are

conflicting and possibly outside the borders of italy. the pope is more important than uh inside italy, although ah , the pope. news releases are also quoted here. italian mass media ms. mariano, similar work is not only in italy, but it continues in many countries. do you somehow cooperate with your colleagues from other countries or do you some kind of common database and you can actually reach out to each other and in some notes, so to speak, or everyone works on their own and then some kind of one structure is all a summary pile . so now the investigation is going on by countries and even by, let's say, by territory and territorial units which then it is sent from there to the prosecutor's office, i don't know . because this is secret information, it is not distributed and it is processed directly by the prosecutor who is attached to this case

. recording of their testimonies by the ukrainian prosecutor's office with the ukrainian prosecutor's office. i don't think so far, in any case , this is how these processes work. those people who cooperate in the investigation with the prosecutor's office so that there is no incident , you know how it was last year on easter , so there is no doubt that all people are checked, in particular , for the presence of criminal offenses, but in addition, the role of the translator, the role of the mediator between cultures is fundamental, because otherwise it is impossible to gather in january, it is impossible because the people who come from the occupied territories do not speak italian, so they have to translate, or mainly from

ukrainian, from ukrainian, the refugees speak, everyone tries to speak ukrainian perhaps in some of the most emotional moments, when they delve into these memories , they switch to russian, but they testify in ukrainian, i mean at least clarify, because i meant i didn’t, in what language do they give evidence, but actually it’s that or these testimonies can’t be interpreted in any other way later in the process, so present it, let’s say the victim of the sunset, betray or crash into something, or are there at least exiled cossacks or something like that, i don’t know suspicions that they may appear when russia directs its italian agents in order for them to create some kind of, i don't know, legal conflict that would have a clearly provocative nature, i.e. they would start accusing the ukrainian state of something