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are waiting for us . john gerbs is the former ambassador to the united states in ukraine . slaughter house at 21:15 on espresso join the community with a ukrainian view of the world become a sponsor of the youtube channel espresso and this is access to exclusive content personal thanks pinned comments special icons there, friends, we are already working from the shelter, let's continue our conversation, our guest is a diplomat and politician valery chaly, mr. valery, i congratulate you once again, and on our broadcast , give russian miguel, they are forcing us to go to

the shelter, uh , let's continue our conversation guilty and how did ours, thank god, with the same bombers and speeders, moscow, when they pushed it , do things go like this. beyond any doubt. especially since they really started shooting at civilian ships or landing them in the air. let's let's talk about what happened to prigozhina in the sky between moscow and st. petersburg on august 23, it was destroyed, well, at least that's what the founder of privat of such a company, wagner, yevgenia prigozhina and one of the thug commanders, dmitry utkin , the prime minister of great britain rishi sumak says that british intelligence misses

the fact that prigozhin was most likely on board the plane . by our allies to find out what happened but the most important thing is that putin has stopped his illegal invasion of ukraine , which is causing untold suffering to people, and we will continue to stand with ukraine and support it so that it can resist this aggression from russia , rishi sunak said absolutely accurately and correctly about the fact that russia should stop its aggression against ukraine, but prigozhin is one of the central figures of russian aggression towards ukraine, because he was a public figure who

spoke about the necessary destruction of ukraine and ukrainians by your removal of the leaders of wagner's private military company, in what way will it affect the russian-ukrainian war, or after that we will see putin's tougher actions and nothing will stop him anymore, there is no conditional opposition, such as prigozhyn was already. i would like to start with that that objectively, i do not have access to information that would confirm or deny who was on this plane, and in principle, if we take into account the development under the message, then what you said, we take it, but here i am not i would like to comment further, and this is not my field. i do not know the details. i do not believe any of the messages from the russians, who are absolutely free . moreover, they were presented in this way . it is very strange, but it is relatively certain that it is known from the fact

that i visually saw the first plane, either it was shot down by an air defense system or there was explosives because the embraer is, in principle, a plane , it is like that, well, have you seen mine in some places when planes fell for technical reasons. this is not the case. that is, it is a terrorist act and russia is a terrorist state of a terrorist countries, if it is also air defense and this, i would like to hear from the development of confirmation that he was shot down by air defense, we remember how the russians shot down almost the entire world and then he was very afraid and is afraid of that well, he was afraid because they wanted to dress him for just that wow and not for war against ukraine, he was very afraid, now they are really already crossing any border here , they shoot down or blow up planes on their territory or the first time it happened in russia, i think that no, do you remember

, i will remind you what they did with the liquidation of a swan on a helicopter or boletus of a journalist a long time ago, well, there was such a holding that was completely secret and he made it there. well, let's say there ran into some vlastemushki , he was simply eliminated on the plane, the plane was blown up , that is, these are all the things. they happened in russia , but somehow the world has had enough of this. i close my eyes , that is, for example, putin is invited to the to attend a meeting of twenty twenty countries there , the democracy of the world, joseph biden is going there, and we understand that without putin’s instructions or his understanding of what was happening, it is impossible to carry out such a terrorist attack on the territory of russia or murder, that is, what is happening, i wonder who mentioned the stewardess who died. yes, she worked there with wagner because of prigozhin all the time, or only the crew

. who mentioned these people, who mentioned at all that a civilian plane was shot down or blown up in a country in russia, that is, with such a country. they they are dealing with such a country on jetvon, they are negotiating. so far, americans , what is happening to you is not enough what happened . what do you not know , you knew putin. ukrainian, i see how many war crimes he committed on the territory of ukraine, but he financed it, and someone gave it money through him, now they will take this group of so-called wagnerites with a nazi, who if he is there on the plane and well, then it logically means the end of his life, the nazi will rods that is, well, i am simply very surprised why

the focus of attention is shifted to these personalities. but no problem in russia, the problem is that all boundaries have already been transferred there, the more they beat up war criminals among themselves the better for everyone, it is clear, but it can go beyond all limits, so i think that russia needs to be isolated, it is necessary to give a signal now that physical attacks on its territory, that is, contract killings, blowing up planes, but if it is confirmed that the downing is confirmed, and this is visible, this is what all the intelligence agencies saw who has the space satellites, why are everyone silent? i want to hear confirmation that it was a downing of air defense, but i want to hear it, and if it was a shooting down of air defense - this is a disaster, what is putin on the jet plane and his legs can't be anywhere, no handshakes are allowed after that.

a terrorist, a murderer, a person who gives such orders even to his friends, another one is sitting in belarus, oleksandr hryhorovich lukashenko promised to protect this handsome man, and now he says he washed his hands - he says no, no, i didn't say that, liar, what kind of people are the west dealing with, i don't understand how much you can still make sure that if you don't isolate them, that is, if you don't close yourself off from them, everything will be very bad for you, and these are murderers , these are liars, these are criminality, these are people, this is the mafia, this is the mafia within the state. yes, they have nuclear weapons, and this is a problem that must be solved somehow other it is decided by your political will, and what they do is created, well, this simply confirms the nature of this regime, indeed , they behave like gangsters, they live according to their own concepts, and not according to the law or international rules, today the daily mail wrote about prigozhina about the fact that it may well be that

e-e special services of the russian federation could stage his e-e death in october 2019 writes de e-mail an-27 military plane crashed with eight people on board in the congo then it was reported that prigozhin was on board and died but three days later found out that he is alive and they assume that this can all be played out, although yesterday already a reliable source, a very reliable source , who said that it is a war between russia and ukraine, which equates to the fact that i have not believed in this indian publication for a long time and therefore do not want to. i say that i i don't analyze the plot. that is, well, i will tell those people who want to look further

, the indicators for me will be three indicators. secondly, who will come to the funeral, that is, how will it look, and thirdly, what will happen to the financing of these mercenaries, who will they hand them over to, that is, these are the three indicators, as for me, they will testify to whether or not prigozhin made such a cunning agreement that it is very difficult to imagine. well, because in principle, they are not like that, they are already super experts in the actions of the kdb, the fsb, they could have been lured, i calmly allow it here, especially if they were all there together, they relaxed a little, then they were lured, it could be that and that he with his ambitions approaches, agreed to a change of appearance there somewhere in zanzibar, well, in zanzibar, at first, the old name is used so as not to be tied

to any existing african country. if it appears somewhere, then everything is possible, but you understand, it is not so important anymore , the fact itself is important today, and it seems that putin has demonstrated his power you see, no, he didn't express any sympathy , he didn't do anything right away, even small questions, he had an immediate reaction , on the contrary, he emphasized that it was, well, he made it clear to everyone that it was him, that is, these are the signals of the elite. he he gave what he did so that it would not happen there, that is, in fact, i see it, you all must have seen how it happened in which hall, as he later commented. that is, it is a signal. i control the situation. i am here, the great leader and the tsar. strategy, well, it has been like this for several months, then we will see, because now everyone is afraid that there may be such

massacres of those who do not agree, but we will see what will happen to this group of mercenaries, how they will behave, that is, there is a lot that is not clear here, and i want to build a constructological theory in the short version of time or short-term, it gives putin certain advantages over other centers of power. and in the medium term, i think that it will weaken him . the fighters of the russian volunteer corps, who publicly addressed the wagnerites, also spoke about the wagnerites, who were left without wagner and unadorned. let’s hear what they said. you know very well. who is behind it, therefore, now you are faced with a serious choice, either the table of the ministry of defense of the russian federation and serves as a loose cloth for your cloths commanders, or is that all you are sitting there? you need to go over to the side of ukraine. if

you have not committed war crimes. we invite you to our ranks. you , mr. valery, do you think that those who were left without prigozhin and utkin will be able to decide to transfer to the rtk and develop some activity on the territory of the russian federation, i have no idea, i'm sorry, there is no sphere of competence then then uh it will be absolutely logical to ask you about this isolation about putin in the world. because, in principle, he is already beginning to self-isolate himself because he was not at the brics summit, he did not fly because the warrant of the international criminal court would be effective on

the territory of hannisburg, well, on the territory of the south african republic, today piskov said about the fact that putin will not fly to the meeting of the g20 to india , uh, how well, of course, of course, erdogan was waiting for putin to visit, and now in dagan on september 4, according to preliminary data, he should fly to putin or something in sochi or in moscow, it is not yet clear how this self -isolation and putin's self-isolation is dangerous for ukraine and for the world . well, regarding the twenty-something, i will tell you that it was foreseen. that most likely he will not fly there because it is such a shame and to endure the humiliation, he did not dare to fly before , but in principle the possibilities

of bricks in south africa were open there, the situation is different there, south africa has obligations to the iss and the ratified rome statute, and india , neither india at all, does not perceive international the criminal court is not, according to the rome statute, that's why the invitation was so beautifully sent, it was announced. well, i think that when they talked about it from india, they already knew that putin would agree to fly in. when i heard that biden would fly, it became clear to me what will she not be there, i.e. but russia is there, lavrov is the same war criminal, just like putin, because i will remind you that lavrov is finished as a diplomat, especially for me, when he, uh, in the un security council, he talked about the fact that

the attack was strongly directed orphanage in in principle, mariupol is for ukraine. well, there is some kind of operation. he is a war criminal. and in delhi, when he said on one of the forums that it was ukraine that attacked russia. imagine lavrov , a diplomat who has been there for many years . he tried to be decent and pretended to be such a refined diplomat. there he began to speak in narratives written by propagandists and laughed at him there they simply made fun of him, but he still plays this game because there is money, planes take him around, his family is provided for by a millionaire, a multi-millionaire, he became a multi-millionaire in time well, yes, he drew a ticket for himself where is this ticket? well, life will show that lavrov’s presence is the same problem in zhytomyr as it was later, maybe a little less because , in principle, putin has already issued it to him. therefore, i have a question: why

is there a group of twenty that was created at one time as an initiative of a group of seven democratic countries that wanted to involve other countries that are economically powerful to a joint discussion of world problems? why is this group of twenty in conditions when in south africa in particular has announced that they will create an acronym . i won't say it because they also invited argentina, egypt , saudi arabia, the united arab emirates , iran and the attention of ethiopia. these countries have been invited to join brics since january 1, 2024. that is, they, i mean nine countries of the twenty, including now with argentina , that is, they, i'm sorry, they are abandoning all the others, only those who created the twenty invited them and these democracies, led by the usa, are quietly

watching this. that is, first of all, you have 11 not 9 like these, well, give me an answer, tell me, listen, do you want to create your own something, create your own only now why do we need such twenty formats let's expand, let 's expand seven and we also have, in addition to this , only a few dozen countries in europe, we have countries that are powerful in me then we will do it too. i think that for some reason the usa and the g7 countries are dragging their feet without understanding or trying to avoid division, and the world is divided into two groups of democratic countries that, in principle, defend the rules of what exists today and countries such as china and their suzherena there is russia, plus countries that want to take a bite out of the usa and these powerful western countries, take an economic bite off now, but they want to unite so that their power is

more convincing, everything is clear, that is, i think that i have big doubts, let's go well, i like to do such forecasts are far from far-sighted, but it seems to me that brics will die next year well, not only because it will expand, it will simply expand the very idea that there will be countries that are developing rapidly economically and brics is translated from english as bricks the economist called it the countries that are developing very well economically in the year 200, later on at the st. petersburg forum, russia gathered the top five there, and russia then took a leadership position to create such an anti-american association, now everything has already forgotten russia, it will now be one for 11 on the level from venezuela well, it became a series, they want them, they are not considered yet, but they will also join , because if ethiopia gives there, then the flow

will continue to siri and everything else will go to iraq. creates i think that the west has to answer and i will be very surprised if in two years there will be twenty, that is, i think not in the next one , but in one oil seal, i predict , let's fix, well, the forecast is fifty-fifty, of course, but i think the twenty will disappear but as long as the twenty exist and india as a country that hosts this summit, they explain the lack of representatives of ukraine, well, or at least the participation of volodymyr zelenskyi in the online mode, by the fact that at this summit they will talk about

economic issues, or is it even possible to talk about the economy in the world, about economic development, when it is dangerous to live in this world, well, that is, they put economic development on the scales at schalke and said that what is happening in ukraine does not at all concern the 20 largest countries in the world, well this is a completely dishonest position because international organizations and individual countries are invited as guests to the summits, which are really important today, not only from the point of view of the development of the world, but also the problems, that is, let's be honest, the country now and the possibility of development and the problem of war, so they want to stay away from it, but they invite some other countries that have absolutely no influence on development, whose population is one and a half million, i will not name them

specifically. we recommended that it passed before us, well, segmental is enough. i followed this experience that until 2014 they did a lot in the 15th year . is it correct or not? no, i don’t want to name a country, but you will see that among the invited countries there is a group of invited countries. ukraine should have at least participated in the discussion on the supply of agricultural products . they will be there. without ukraine, india's hypocritical, lying, not courageous position is very surprising. this so-called democracy, which begins to tell about mahatmogandhi and mahat gandhi turned over in the coffin, as if it were not in the coffin, it is there

traditionally in the indian way, that's all happened and he may be watching from heaven somewhere on this whole democracy and i am very surprised if the indian ambassador hears here who has the experience of very good work in such difficult situations. well, i think that he should still take some step if he wants comfort to work and continue in ukraine what is ukraine? well, the topic of ukraine came up because you understand that the question is not whether the president of ukraine will participate in the summit or not, that is, it is really not the same as must , that is, we definitely have be because format

such a topic should not be discussed. yes, they do not invite poland , for example, either, although there are some other european countries. that is, i am surprised at all india. this is definitely a request from russia , 100% a request from russia, you are humiliating yourself so much . you are a great democracy, a country that has its own position , a country that borders china. where you do not know what will happen in the future, you are humiliating now. i think you know that india is a big country, but you need an item on how to put in your notebook a diplomatic account of some kind of future, because i did it, i frankly say that no matter where i am next, i have already written these items down in my notebook, because this explanation does not stand up to any critics that they do not want to see ukraine in any way, even in the topic of food security regarding food security regarding erdogan's visit to putin, why do you think erdogan does not receive putin and flies

to putin, what has changed in the schedules diplomatic or whether it is possible for putin to fly to ordan in fear, why has everything changed so much during the month they talked about the fact that putin will be in turkey and then suddenly there was information that putin will receive erdoğan in russia well, the fact is that turkey and president yordagan now it is more necessary to objectively solve some of their economic issues with russia, that is why they are in this position. i think they will agree on russia holding the meeting in turkey, that is, always , always, the place of the meeting is important, it is clear that putin is more comfortable in his own

there is constant surveillance of his special services there, everything is recorded, that is, he is clearly protected there, this is the system , so it is logical that he would probably want this from the very beginning , but maybe i don’t want to state this, but after putin saw the planes exploding, that is, how about this order did not give in. i think that he himself will now be more careful about using the plane . and how do you, valery, evaluate the prospects for restoring the grain agreements, because it is also too important for erdagan to be the winner in this situation, because he was one of the initiators of the creation of these grain corridors. well, you know, one of the versions that consider, well, the idea is russian, that it should be turkey, qatar, and er, also russia, that they

russian mixes stolen goods, including in ukraine, that is, they supplied not only grain, but that is, they want in this way, and those ships that go to odessa or the danube, they just bombed otaka, but they have a simple idea. well, they know the gopniks, then they eat otaka, that's what they understand about the grain deal. i think that here, uh, we need to concentrate the main resources on the search safe e-e just the transit of our sea and annual grain and various options , including good news. there are certain things about insurance , that is, you know there are forvators that are located closer to the territorial waters of e-e where the russians still cannot enter with their planes or attack so that we can definitely see the sports options. they are just the volumes, they will not be as much as we would like, that is, but we have to start with something, so the main efforts should

not be directed to the restoration of the so-called grain agreement, although it is not a grain agreement, it is two separate agreements in one, one of the cities in the other, other content, that is, the main forces must be directed to the minimum, this is the opening of a safe supply of ukrainian grain and a response to the threats posed by russia , the second economic improvement and justification well, we understand that the security risks are big, so we need to think economically how to do it and the third freedom of navigation in the black sea if so thank you mr. valery we have to finish our program time is coming to an end thank you for the conversation it was valery chalyi and politician-diplomat friends, it was a program verdict about her serhii rudenko i wish you a good weekend take care of yourself and your loved ones lose with you until monday until 20:00

goodbye what will happen to the pvk wagner without prigozhin we are talking about it on the air ovtsini from ukraine live from of london and yevgeny shevska after the alleged death of the top of this group, who will share the legacy of the russian mercenaries, what will happen to their activities in africa, and how will this affect the course of russia's war against ukraine. in russia, there are still many unknowns , in particular, what happened there, there are versions about an explosion on board, and a version about the attack of an anti-aircraft missile on the ground

, the main argument in favor of these versions is that the plane probably began to fall apart in the air