[000:00:00;00] in general, the latin american economy, which you have mentioned with such pleasure, is today, and tomorrow never comes . well, you know, there are a large number of students , the situation has changed, but they invest in housing because, first of all, they grew up winning, and secondly , they believe that after the war, housing is available this will be a very serious financial resource, and you should not think that people just had such a large amount of free money in a certain amount. in some of them, they did not know where to invest it . they invested it abroad as if they had the opportunity. well, i'm asking you if there was a desire if people live here if for people if people are people if a person is right to leave their husband they want to live here the husband can't leave they are buying a house because they moved from kharkiv to kyiv if they

came here that now klitschko says that we have practically recovered the pre-war population. and i say that the number has not completely recovered, but it has recovered , but that does not mean that all kyivans have returned , came here from kharkiv, from the dnipro, zaporizhia, from melitopol, i don’t know, from kharkiv, from the dnipro, from zaporizhzhia, yes, there is such a shuffling of the population, this is a reality, this is not a shuffling, this is a movement and a shuffling and a shuffling of the population is moving with the rise of the south to the center and there are no people in the scum . no, i am not the question, this is the question for you. because there are opportunities not only firstly there is an opportunity secondly it is safe here in fact in kyiv it is hotter than in uzhhorod than in

uzhhorod no than in lviv it is possible lviv during this war believe me as a person who lives on two months, uh, how many living people are there in kyiv, 2 or three large sizes, the plot was the same, yes, i think that people who live in lviv do not feel that way, they feel less about them, uh, you know, lviv residents in the second, third, 25 th generation, these people who came to lviv, in turn, can come to kyiv, because kyiv can be better protected from the point of view of the books, that 's how it is from uzhgorod, it's clear that no one will go because there as far as i know, nothing during the entire war we will hope for ourselves just now it will happen, yes, there is logic in this in chernivtsi, well, there were one or two less

, of course, and you know what the problems are, but in kyiv, there are still a lot of new buildings , which even in the case of getting there, well, something they don't stack up like houses of cards, that's true, yes and there, god forbid, it's all housing stock yes yes well, not for the most part well, it's huge, that is, the specific gravity there is much more than here well, good and when you talk about the fact that these five clusters exist as far as they are developed on the official levels is it exclusively work so far we are working so far i don't see in this matter what support i understand i don't see unfortunately maybe i'm wrong maybe not five maybe four maybe eight classes i don't know but

you have to think about it and this needs to be discussed and i don't see this yet we are starting conversations there is a territorial community there is a district there is an oblast but that's not what we need to talk about right now we will not rebuild the economy it is not known where we will rebuild the economy of mennska there i don't know in zolotonosh cherkas dare buchi well somehow it won't be like that at all, and when we invite an investor here, we have to offer him something, and we need to offer different things if we invite an investor, let's say, to the north of sumy or chernihiv oblast. i think that we need to offer something to the investor to come there. these can be options for israel maybe it can

be an option for military towns. maybe i don't know there are many options, but we can give the authorities a painting, yes, yes , yes, yes, yes, yes, but the authorities have to choose what they will do. i don't really remember that in israel, someone really wanted to invest in the peace agreement with egypt , of course there was industry there, there were factories, there were jewish initiatives, but everyone understood that they could lose everything, but they invested less, and the dutch heights also invested, it was already uh and it was state policy well, i know that she can lose it all . the truth in the state of israel invested in the sinai peninsula now . i'm talking about the expats, you weren't there either. well, well, in any case, a resort resident who was in egypt, they definitely visited us

. when they come to us, they look at the price. they also see the price of israeli investments. there can be hotels that were built during the time of israel. does not exist now there is only that yes yes i am not saying that a private investor will come there just like that i mean a contract but the state should encourage a private investor to come there it could be some kind of communications it could be insurance for the risks of investing in these insurance, it can be different, there are different options, the state itself should go to such places, not whether it is possible, this is also a topic for discussion , we are talking about it, let’s think , let’s gather, let’s discuss, let ’s decide, because when we are expelled, it will be too late, we must expel and have a plan a b c d and i absolutely convinced that we should have different

plans for different territories in accordance with the final of the war, also probably yes, because the semi-final of the war can also be different there may be one line of contact another state border with shelling of the state border without shelling if such luck befalls us and we will be able to agree that there will be blue fairy tales blue fairy tales yes and that there will be no army 50 km away russia is a member of the security council and that there were no fairy tales there the system will not be a member of the un security will be as long as it has nuclear weapons well, first of all, there will be such an option , yes, you can’t, yes, i can dream. you have to give a clear scientific option about the fact that it is necessary to proceed from various

options for peace agreements. will stand at the border and we have to do something, that's another question. well, and so on. if there is putin, then putin's. if not putin, then not putin. well, i mean that what can be a peaceful border can not be a peaceful border in any situation, people who live there in a 50-kilometer shelling zone, but this territory is controlled by the ukrainian state. it can develop in one way or another. well, it has to, if people live there. it has to develop , moreover, if it is our territory, then it has to develop and encourage certain people categories okay, but to encourage people to live there, otherwise it will not develop, but again, this creates not only economic, i would say such social, political , ideological brands, who lives there in israeli settlements, if you have already mentioned israel on the west bank of the jordan river, who once lived in israel, when we resettlement in the gas sector is ideologically motivated. people, you and i

, if we went to live in israel, relatively speaking , we most likely decide that we live in an internationally recognized territory because the rules are true because we will be guided not even by ideology but by economic considerations, because this is property, we buy it, we are not billionaires, we invest what we have, so we need this apartment, a normal job will not be taken away from us, there will be international agreements so that we will not be paid any later compensations. and if you are an ideologically motivated person, if you look at the second, you say, god gave us that's why i say that now there are ideas that we have regarding the return of our fugitives from the war. i don't like the word refugees, because refugees - this is a certain, clearly defined legal status of our war fugitives . what can we return to ukraine? we can use the israeli experience

. europe and this is also by and large israel in the first twenty years of its existence, it is a people with a great trauma of the holocaust, it fled from those countries with which it tied itself to israel, and ukrainians are in countries where they themselves feel safe and she did not feel safe in these countries even after the war, this is true, that's why i mentioned it only to emphasize again we cannot mechanically borrow anything well, it doesn't work out that way well, now i won't even say about the return of people from border i am talking about those people who can live in the territories of the conditional market and this is so even when the method is not ukrainian , we have to ask them the question where do you want to return to mariupol or to kyiv or bucha

let's have a practical recovery i somewhere weeks i was there three years ago. practically everything has already been rebuilt , and bucha irpin moshtyun. none at all, but these two. well, more or less, you think people will be psychological, some kind of brake already, yes. it seems that in the next four decades she never visited the area of ​​babiny yar, they toured it because her sister died there with her baby. and here she lived in kyiv and somehow all her other relatives went, well , they did not have it personally and that's why it is i'm here too

i don't know, you can't compare the mentality of soviet people and modern people . when my grandmother returned to kyiv, she returned in 1944 because dzidzio was in the army. she and her two children lived in the hallway. the apartment was broken into and she just lived in the basement. she went to her younger brother's apartment and hid from the police, whoa whoa, if she hadn't, her neighbors would let her wash and cook soup for the children, and she lived there, do you think, and can you imagine that now someone would live like that, i don't think so, but that's what we're talking about when we say we have more i will tell people, people were given housing stock in the western regions. they were empty. today, people in chernivtsi wanted to live here and not go there. well , it is a conditional violation that they don’t want to live on this street anymore. my older case is my grandmother, she went . natasha, the manager, well, she went to chernivtsi, and there they offered apartments and that’s it. and she lived in chernivtsi, but there were not many such people

, the majority of people returned to their previous places of residence, now i am not sure that this will be the case, we have to ask people when we talk about the reconstruction of cities destroyed cities, we should focus on that. and who wants to return there, i don't know if the people of mariupol will want to return to mariupol, seeing all this, i might want the life of the pictures. maybe, but there is also a legal problem, so find out for yourself that you are a resident of mariupol, your house was destroyed in mariupol, you are freed and there is some other housing fund built by the russians and in which you do not have uh. this is legally resolved with alfa bank . it is not right to resolve it there. i don't see

a problem here. the worse issue will be with crimea, people who left crimea in place of those who moved in, who will now be forced to leave again, other people, what to do with the same . as far as i understand, there was a nationalization of the housing stock of ukrainian citizens. that's what i'm talking about. what to do with it, that's another question because they can live there people and it's one thing to come to an empty house that was built there by the russians, but whatever you want, and another matter to come to your house, where people live now , it was stolen, and you see, you come and see a family with children living here or a person with children , do you have notary documents on the desk is russian yes, but they are russian documents, they cannot act on the occupied territories, they have no power for us, but you look at it not from a purely legal point of view, but from a mental and psychological point of view

. there are people who live there for 50 years in a row, not everyone agreed to this. not all homeowners agreed to this. i saw it in the czech republic. not everyone agreed to come and evict the family from here. conventionally speaking in its form restitution could then be given to rent it out, the people were not the owners of their home anyway, they did not give it to them, they said live because they themselves lived, they apologize to tel avivians in transport anywhere because in new york and such other places it is not that ukrainian lands returned to crimea, this property will have to be completed, this will be a problem. people who moved into these houses in riga or tallinn thought that they were moving into empty houses in prague, and people who moved into these houses in yalta or simferopol know exactly where they are going.

are moving in. excuse me, hm. this is a completely different situation, this is not soviet times, because these houses were all state property for a soviet person, and people know that they are moving into someone else's private property in italy . you are speaking from the position of an intelligent, intelligent, educated person . you can beat a person's head in any way you want, but she always knows for sure that it belonged to someone, but i don't know . after i was told that the capital of ukraine is donetsk, look, i can explain the difference between people who are in the soviet union and soviet people who came, that is, people who moved into jewish apartments in germany or poland or where factories in non-socialist countries knew exactly which apartments they were moving into. a person who lives in the era of private property may be 3,000 stupid, but he knows where it is 3,000 times, believe me

at any level of intelligence, these are different things, and by the way, i have to say that this is not only from crimea , now there will be an explanation. i think that now there will be nationalized property that in the donetsk luhansk region we will have so many more problems there than in crimea. believe in there will be more problems for donetsk in the luhansk region, why and because it’s easier with crimea there, well, you can remove the families of the russian military, well, the black sea fleet with their families, there are more legal grounds than it can be done and then simply get mostly the majority of the ukrainian population let’s say this ukraine with an oriented population and continue to live normally in donetsk and luhansk, it will not be like that there, people left, others came in and what to do with them they have ukrainian passports, why do they have the ukrainian

language and where could they get them, then they left there is such a category of population that returned to work in the donbas and in donbas this will be all this will be and there will be there there will be huge problems mental, psychological and social we will have all this all this must be solved by the children who went to school in the 14th year and now they have finished it you can imagine with what understanding of ukraine-russia relations they left this school, you and i graduated from soviet schools. no, no one told me that ukrainians are nazis, well, a lot. well , they killed a lot of other things . these are the antipodes that i studied in the soviet school, there are jews by origin, they killed in the head during the israeli war that well, somehow well, it is not

the israeli military with the israeli army, and now these children who killed in the head that the ukrainians are the enemy at the level of the narrow brain, well, i do not believe that it happens at the oxygen level, it actually happens, i communicate with these people not very often , but i communicate believe me, sister, the fear of god, when the mother of my co-worker says, i will not go to you , she lives there, teach the occupied territory where i will not go to you, i will not go to the murderers, and she says i am a murderer, no, but the government is a murderer here. the question is that many people who adhere to such ideological narratives are most likely the first time the older ones, as well as the younger ones, can just go to russia, and i don’t understand why a person lives in such danger if the danger comes to you on tanks

that is why i think that after the victory we will get a very old population there, because the young people will most likely leave, the older people will stay because they have nowhere to go, here they have a house there or an apartment or something else and they will stay and they will vote for the party so that you don't have any doubts , and we have to hold elections there . well, by the way, many people believe that we will be able not to hold elections there, that people will not have voting rights. thousands of years of the charter freedom yes uhu well there are many who operate on ideas that there are baltic examples passports of non-citizens treaty a transition period can be a transition period can but i don’t quite understand how to do it how do you separate those people who sincerely support ukraine live

now, not everyone could leave the occupied territories. if you want to know my position in general against such an approach as such, it is a stalinist approach. have you been to the occupied territories and your relatives, this immediately turns the country into a monster, because the baltic countries simply recovered in the 1940s and they did not care for anyone. were separated if you were even the only one who came to latvia after the 40th year and did not have a passport and your relatives, you had to go through notarization according to the regulations that say latvians were given citizenship to the silence of the russians, they did not give it, this is not true, they gave citizenship to everyone who went through neutralization until the 40th year. so, who passed the address and no one looked at the national one, of course if you are latvian and did not have citizenship, you are also a native of yours the latvian language is easier for you to pass than if you are russian, that is clear, but the approach was with my passport according to my nationality, so i say that what we will have in those territories, we will have

a huge problem even in those territories that were occupied in 22- to my year but to me it's just scary to think what we will have there, i repeat once again, it will be more difficult in donbas than in direct and you don't think that we are not very optimistic from the point of view of people who watch us optimistic conversation if i can do well let's shout yes glory to ukraine well glory no well maybe we need to find some kind of strategy, an optimistic strategy, to end our conversation, the victory of ukraine is absolutely inevitable in this belief, in what form, in the fact that ukrainians will survive as a state, this is a fact, yes, i absolutely agree with this, but you cannot name a time you can't have victories and borders, i can't even the number of the population or the seat of the population. if we talk about the borders of 1991, then my dream

now is somewhere around 37 with a tail of millions too optimistic in 1991. yes, with crimea and donbas, my dream is for us to have 30 of these 30 million borders, yes, this is the transformation of ukraine from a conditional poland to a conditional czechoslovakia. no, it's not so tough in poland. 38 million, yes, yes, 38 million, yes, more than czechoslovakia, so i didn't tell slovakia with which country it can be compared to poland, that is it will be just another poor poland

and only poor and god grant that we be as motivated as the poles, all motivated by national economy from the state, state motivation, the war contributes to this state motivation. yes, the truth is, we have never had such a unity of society that we have today. it happened to them in 1939, they lost the state, then it became clear what it is like without again without a state , most likely and fortunately we have not lost yet and we have not lost i hope that we will not lose and if we talk about optimism, you know, god bless we need to preserve the degree of unity that we have today to avoid splits society will be divided it's not scary it's normal we're not the same and there's nothing wrong with that but

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, she even learned to drive . to get there on your own and freeze here in the winter. you won’t have to put a stove, it will be warm. i think it will be very warm , but in most of the liberated villages of the kharkiv region, the detachment destroyed the russians, too. now there are outbound groups working in kutuzovka , the line is gathering even before the car arrives. can i be there? мне ещё работать надо. valentina her children are going to return home from evacuation and have already sent the things above

, they are sending everything to come back to uzhhorod with two girls, if it were not for the mobile department and the residents of kotuzivka, they would have to go to kharkiv for parcels and payments but even public transport does not go here yet . people say thank you very much. the whole village is very pleased that receipts are brought here and payment is done. villages where the military is allowed, the company says , we go wherever there is such an opportunity, wherever the situation allows, the administration is strong, so even the border areas are everywhere. we are trying

to cover and develop logistics so that the opportunity to provide for our pensioners and other people's clients, but this work is still dangerous in the border settlements of kharkiv oblast, the invaders know that they still go there through the curtain, in armor, says the driver ruslan the heavy one, we can try, we travel around the region, we exchange almost, well, it's difficult of course well, what to do and where they cannot reach, they walk every time when there is no road or the road is impassable, so we go on foot to every yard to every pensioner and deliver pensions and subsidies to him social benefits and all in order to bring a pension to one single spouse for the whole village, when money comes it's always nice when it's not, it's unpleasant, it's such a thing and to at least somehow help people, postmen continue to work

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