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korniychuk, ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary of ukraine to israel, evgeny, we welcome you, i congratulate you, mr. evgeny, i wanted to start with the most recent story , there was a message in the news feeds that the israeli authorities detained your ten-year-old yevhen's mother-in-law from ukraine and his guardian uncle oleksandr, who is married to an israeli citizen, and they were both placed in an isolation ward at ben-gurion airport , what is happening and what did this boy do that he had to be detained the information is a bit out of date because as of yesterday evening the boy was released on bail, but the truth is that he and his uncle were really held in the immigration prison for several hours, we urgently connected lawyers and

they helped on a free basis and the court made a decision to release them i will remind you that they have to provide evidence of their legal stay in israel, but this is a typical case, that is, the vast majority of people , including minor children, are forced to prove that they are not going to work legally in israel. that is absolutely it is unacceptable that our consuls are unprepared and work 24/7 in order to help our citizens. and we, in turn, draw the attention of citizens to the fact that israel is a refugee-friendly country, it does not grant status. that is, it is not a european country, it is a middle eastern country that has its own strict migration policy, which unfortunately is unfriendly to ukraine . i understand that ukrainian refugees who

fled the war and ended up in israel must somehow have some jewish origin, that is, they must have some attitude towards israel, the general approach of the ministry of internal affairs, which has been led by radical or religious parties for many years, is that israel does not tolerate any migrants and temporary, even conditionally, costumers who are not jews, that's why it's true and this fact therefore, this is a part of israeli policy, which is very difficult for us to break, despite the war , despite the inter-state visa-free agreement, but i draw attention to the fact that this agreement applies

only to citizens who came from a tourist weddings, etc., and classes do not use this norm, any person who says that she came to get asylum, in fact, i am trying to deport and deport such people in israel this year already more than 3,000 years ago, unfortunately, unfortunately this problem will not be solved automatically, we talk about everything at all levels , we warn our citizens, but again, this is not a technical issue, it is a matter of state policy of the state of israel. who come here to visit friends who are ready to give them a visit, that is, they get a problem and the majority, if you look at the statistics of people

who stopped by last year, for example , about 70 thousand came, 15,000 of them received israeli passports . 14, including those who received israeli passports, these are people who submitted that they do not receive, e.e., an inappropriate conditional asylum status, no right to work , automatic, e.e., what social benefits are there, they turned around and went to europe's typical situation, we talk about this all the time and we talk about appropriate reciprocity on the part of the ukrainian government , because this is unacceptable during the war, this is not a friendly action for ukraine. jews of jewish origin who , when russia began such a great aggression against

ukraine, also began to leave for israel , they are also treated the same way. no, listen , those who have the right to passports are actually they don't have any problems, that's why even we have conditional problems according to statistics, because we believe that about 10% of the deportees are conditionally deported, and the israeli side only talks about five because the remaining five are also hiding among those who have the right that is, there is no right to detain them, but if we talk about citizens of the russian federation, then the number of people who came from russia to israel to obtain israeli passports is significantly more than from ukraine, these people are fleeing from the totalitarian regime and they are absolutely welcome if you want in israel and

there are actually more of them even than from ukraine, despite the fact that the communities are approximately the same in size as in ukraine as in the russian federation, but one gets the impression, in particular, those recent statements that ukraine can be suspended without a visa by israel and that in the end may demand that israel be removed from the list of countries participating in the next rammstein . it seems that our relations with israel have deteriorated significantly. can you confirm this? first of all, i would like to draw your attention to the fact that it is necessary to separate these two things. rammstein has nothing to do with visa-free travel and this is a purely political issue, which is difficult for me to comment on, because as an ambassador, even in my position, knowing many things and contributing to our military and our hangings, i cannot be certain certain that something is happening that is not in favor of ukraine

yes that is, this exaggeration is possible and this rumor is possible, but it is also true, but it is not necessary to ask me, it is necessary to conditionally receive a comment from the minister of defense of ukraine, at least yes regarding the visa-free visa, these are not related matters, and really, in my opinion, this question is worth asking. but again, we have just been talking very actively for several weeks, and you can see the number of publications in the ukrainian press on this matter, as well as the israeli press, er, this event with a ukrainian boy who is 10 years old, she shook all of israel and yesterday there was a publication and in a year conditional both in the russian-language press and in the english-language press, that is , people are worried about it and people are calling and asking if we can help, i am speaking now about ordinary israelis, three days ago we held an event where we thanked

friends of ukraine, well, that is, in honor of independence day , but conditionally, it was not an official acceptance . it was an informal event in jerusalem, in the center of begin, a huge number of people from public organizations, volunteers who help ukraine all the time, and i have no problems or questions for israeli citizens , they all support ukraine, the absolute majority of them support ukraine, it is positive , there are isolated pickets against the ukrainian embassy, ​​right across the street embassies, one of them took place on independence day, well, this is democracy. in fact, i am sure that this will upset the russian federation. social media is not a conditional identification of citizens, but we have problems with the government and these problems. we cannot solve them. unfortunately,

the embassy to government, i have problems related to the fact that for six months in a row i cannot meet with the minister, who is a religious person who is not interested in increasing the arrival of foreigners to israel, this is his policy, you understand, and then when, when i say that we should also talk about reciprocity definitely this issue is this level of the government of ukraine - this is the level of the president and i know that this issue is being discussed at the highest political level in ukraine so the decision is not made by the embassy, ​​but the problem exists and it should be solved i also want our citizens to know that we as the embassy we do everything possible to protect their interests during their entry, during their stay in israel, they received the small benefits that the israeli government provides to citizens of ukraine. that is, we now

hope that we will finally return the medical the insurance that existed at least in part then was called up, now the question of its return is being considered, that is, there are refugee assistance centers and government and private ones , to which we would look for private disputes, and they operate both in the house and in the hader, and it goes south to other cities. that is, we carry we work constantly, but sit down. unfortunately, this is not enough, and in this sense, if you look at european countries and countries with western democracies, in israel, its policy differs from that of a mono-ethnic country that supports first of all jews if we talk about religious jews, roshgarshan will be determined in september and many jews will come to the grave of tzadik nachman in uman, will this happen this year, if the visa-free regime is suddenly canceled , then entry for them will be prohibited

again, i can express my personal opinion opinion and i want to say that we brought this opinion to the office of the president to the cabinet of ministers. in my opinion, this is too much overload for our e-e law enforcement officers, it is an inadequate response to the problems they receive ukrainians at the time of entering israel. that is, i did not see a great sense in this for us , in order to ensure this visit, we have to call back the huge forces of the police, the ministry of emergency situations, border guards , etc.

they are being deported en masse, and more than twice as much as last year, and this is a fact. therefore , the decision will be made by the country's top political leadership in the near future. last week, the minister of culture of israel came to uman quietly in order to talk with me and see how well organized the visit is, it all means nothing, it would not cause surprise and a smile, since he did not meet with your colleagues in the ukrainian government, but again, the decision is not made by the embassy in this situation, and i already said that there were insinuations related to the fact that the ambassador told that the government does not make a decision, well, the ambassador can advise something, but the decision is made

again, it is political, it is not the decision of the ambassador is tentative, which decision will be made. i think we will see next week, but again, we cannot guarantee consistency. unfortunately , we have repeatedly appealed to the israeli government to provide us with additional security measures, primarily from air defense equipment that israel produces e-e one of the few countries , by the way, there are only five countries that produce effective anti-ballistic anti-aircraft means, unfortunately, e-e we do not receive help we say that if you friends do not want to protect ukrainian citizens, maybe you want to protect your citizens who are going to uman because well, according to minimum estimates, about 35,000

balloonists are expected this year, and war is not the time for such visits . moreover, we can have a problem if a missile arrives and then the russians accuse the ukrainians of this , that is, it will not be good for anyone. not for the pilgrims. not for the ukrainian government . damn it. not for our bilateral relations. unfortunately, there are problems and a decision will be made on this matter. i am sure that our political leadership will thank you for this conversation. yevhen korniychuk, the extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to israel, was with us. well, we will have a short break. now there will be a break, and then we will talk about the situation in georgia 15 years ago and the russian federation invaded georgia like this and now admitted and now says that it can join abkhazia, south ossetia to russia, and

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we continue our marathon and now let's talk about georgia, i see korchilava, the former president of the georgian embassy in ukraine joins our conversation, we welcome you, sir , i see, good afternoon. so, medvedev, who likes to make all kinds of statements, the former president of russia he declares, as a rule, somewhere there when they are resting, then fresh thoughts appear in him, he said that it is possible that russia will annex abkhazia, south ossetia , because 15 years have happened since the moment when russia recognized their independence

, how did these statements of medvedev react in georgia? how can you react to the statement of an alcoholic? ukaziya yuzhnaya networks were annexed in 1992 and 1993 corresponds to yes and what about there well, we can have them squatting beauty and i think that from the very obkazia yuzhnaya networks are not very ready to join russia now because the trend that is now a result of the war in ukraine ah, many former vassals of russia, ah, very uh, now everything is fine with us, and russia is now very attentively observing the outcome of the war that will take place in ukraine, and ukraine will win this war, and everyone is waiting for that

convenient moment when during the a wedding the kremlin will continue because everyone understands that the reception is absolutely glorious, it is a loss. and if we talk about abkhazia now, about the occupied territories, what is life there now, or could these people benefit from the fact that they would become an official part of the russian territories there, or i don’t know, some region there, i don’t know i know because it's not enough that we have known each other for a long time . and you covered events there in the 14th year. in russia, they have only just begun to include

their position. and you all know this very well. we just asked about this before . it does not directly say where it is coming from. russia is leading a mess, a bad economic situation , and it has led to the retreat of democracy, because in other conditions, russia cannot be a lemon. why they don't like americans there , wherever the americans go , they try to establish democracy, establish a strong economy, and so on. to choose the winner correctly, the fbi chose itself in the usa , the gdr, the soviet union, and we know very well what they distinguished today, in principle, the situation is strange. there, on a global scale , where russia comes, there is even worse than it was when it happened, that's all, and the moods of the people themselves. life has gotten worse for us recently, we showed a woman from mariupol who was on the street , some blogger or someone interrupted us and

started talking to her. and she said that people are kind of wild and have some kind of attitude towards the hospital there was something so inhumane to her, she didn’t like it a-a well, it’s clear that such and such, here is a testimony from a city that has just been flooded by russia, shows how much human relations change in the very place at the time when the russian peace comes there but does i'm just curious, that blogger didn't ask that woman whether she connects the deterioration of life in mariupol with the fact that now the russian rule reigns in mariupol. are those people who live in the occupied territories of russia and do they somehow feel the extent of the russian rule? affected their lives for the worse party, do they realize it, uh, i think that everything is perfectly created, that you understand, any situation in any country in the world is already

in place, the economic situation within the country , yes. by definition, that is, everything is there for these years, you can wash the internet there and count the usual number of students between russian tourists and local residents, and that’s all it comes down to the situation created by russia. it never allows any territory of its vassal territory to develop. you heard somewhere that russia helped someone to develop, and as a result of the arrival of russia , life became better. such a thing does not exist in nature. so, what about russians? they knock themselves out of their own heads well, this is how we help your economy, if it weren't for you and us there, you would be even worse than now, although in the territory where they are recognized as a lemon, sometimes it doesn't get worse for us, here's the worst thing

может быть оно есть this is how it looks if we talk about the occupied territories of abkhazia, ossetia, the georgian territory, it was already 2008, how much time has passed, that is, you know that in 2008 there was a full-scale invasion. m a year, respectively, it is already almost 30 years and a year, and what lessons can ukraine learn now from what is happening in the occupation, are there any chances to return, for example, do georgians hope that those lands will be returned and under what conditions do you see the first lesson that must be learned that they will never talk to the russians, not a single peace treaty that can be signed with him, contracts or conflict regulation is not worth the paper on which this is the first main lesson, what is the machine

with georgia, it is in some the moment i decided yes, of course, for georgia, there were big losses for a country of three and a half million people, to suffer 100-150,000 losses, these are huge losses, it is simply insane and it was impossible to recover, and then it was the only way out for someone, so now it refers to this georgians understand that the outcome of the war in ukraine will change the major political situation in the world. and that is exactly when russia will have to sit down at the negotiating table. sooner or later, i don't call it negotiations , i call it a table . he knows that he will be there at these negotiations, in addition to the issues of ukraine , resolve the issues, resolve the issue of moldova , and other issues related to the soviet space, there are many pressing issues and many mines of delayed action, which

zalozheny russia is also in central asia and saakashvili wrote that the democratic ideals of the west took both his countries away from the country and georgia. what do you think about it ? he was engaged in appeasement of the aggressor . so on and on it is very multi-layered, it is difficult to understand yes, how would it actually be that he had an ideal situation before going to ukraine to georgia from ukraine well, what would it be ? well, it is a strange story in itself. let's put it this way and understand everything

clearly . the owner of it will be arrested and then it will not be there, so if we are talking about the prism of conflicts in the soviet space, yes, western democracy clearly understood for itself that democratic principles do not work with odessans only rudely, physically beautiful. and if we are now we're talking about his conclusion, that's a bit of a different story, however, he announced on august 22 that he was starting a large-scale election campaign through his representative. he does not have georgian citizenship at the moment, objectively speaking legally there well, a little well , don't you think that there is no connection anymore , he can't be registered, he's not a candidate

for anyone, well, he's starting a political campaign the political power of which we founded the future ones when he was the president, a citizen of georgia, that's right, well, it's a strange story, it's interesting. well, how did the government of georgia react to these words, or do they care about saakashvili at all - this is a group of cowardly people who, on the one hand , is afraid of russia , and is trying to flirt with the west, etc. a huge contribution to the development of georgia, i think it is unfair that the editor is in prison. well , they continue to