[000:00:00;00] to the authorities because ukraine is a poor country and it will remain poor in 5 to 10 years, well, realistically, looking at all the things that have been destroyed, no matter how much we try to rebuild, we will remain a poor ukraine in a poor country, the population is always clustered around the capital and metropolises in our country for today we count five, we also consider lviv a metropolis, although there is not a million there, maybe already , uh, no, lviv does not have a million , there is no, believe me, there is no place where they left more than that , i went somewhere, uh, if donetsk is in normal condition, it will be the sixth metropolis but no matter what happens, the population will gather around these cities because there is a more developed labor market there, because there is a housing market there, because there are opportunities, it is necessary

, it is necessary, it is necessary . i have great doubts about the sumy chernihiv region, the northern part of which is special, but kharkiv will pull out like kharkiv, he will pull out the whole region in some way, he will definitely lose. the private sector enterprises must be calculated from there. yes, yes, but the rest is a technical center, a technological center . i had no doubts. well, i am ready to accept it. and if the ports are blocked , what will happen to odesa? it will remain a metropolis, of course. odesa, which concentrates the entire south on itself, the question is how

much the south will be destroyed, how quickly we will be able to rebuild it , that's why i say that the south is separate, the west is separate , because there is an ecological capacity there, which as our ecologists say it has already been exhausted, there are certain reserves in lviv oblast and frankiv oblast for industrial construction, ecological reserves mean the rest of the regions, there is nothing either volyn , bukovyna, transcarpathia, well, we just don’t learn anything, well, because there is ecological capacity what this means can be explained to the audience, this is water, this is free territory, which is not under swamps, which is not under forests , and which is not under mountains, and this is not enough there, you can move some more to lviv oblast, to frankiv oblast

it is possible, but it is possible, but that is all, and that is why all our conversations are that we are going there , it is not known, which seems to me very doubtful from the point of view of logistics, yes, because poland is close to the western borders, well, there are no questions about the russians. with romania, rockets are one thing, artillery is another, even i understand it, i agree with that, yes, there is no doubt about it. that's why it's not kharkiv, let's talk frankly , but there is no place to transport there, so it seems to me. well, how do i understand? a person who has nothing to do with the military industry, but simply, well, geography understands the rest, that we have to look at the central regions in a different way, it is possible to go there, after all, you can’t get artillery there , well, with missiles, drones, with a strong one, you can

. well, with the help of air defense to fight, so there is a chance to move there, well, in addition to consolidating and so on and so on and so on well, it still creates prospects that large areas in the east and south of the country will be er where industrialized you can say definitely yes yes, to the extent that people today do not understand it very much no, not at all, people are people, if only the government would understand if people do not understand this and they continue to live in deindustrialized regions. will remain predominantly older persons. this is not about the burden of unemployment on the state. what difference does it make to the state? a person lives simply

, but to maintain a region in which there is a huge the social burden and no working population is much heavier than the district is distributed, you know, this is a struggle with terminology, well, but central ukraine also obviously has some ecological capacity . it seems to me that it is very far from being exhausted, well , at least this information that i receive from our colleagues and there is a danger of hypertrophy of kyiv in the situation when kharkiv odesa i don't know how the dnipro, we have to discuss it separately , they cannot develop as industrial centers intensively, they can only somehow maintain the extensiveness for a certain time, what will happen here in the capital of ukraine is definitely more difficult than it was, but you know it will be more difficult regardless of how kharkiv and dnipro and odesa will develop, it will be more difficult because we already have a fall in the standard of living of the population

. as you perfectly understand, we will continue to have a fall and even after the restoration of the issue begins, when it will begin even after this immediately, well , you know such a rapid outbreak, tomorrow you will be lucky, the same will not happen, that is why people will concentrate in kyiv more and more that is to say, this is actually the moscow model of the latin american state, the american one is worse, why is it better, and there is no such government? well, there is no government, but the economic situation itself is so similar. we don't have that many natural resources , i'm not talking about that, i'm talking about the hypertrophy of a particular city, it will be true, which cities can in this

situation think about the influx of the population of kyiv-lviv, first of all, all metropolitan cities and kharkiv and odesa and dnipro kharkiv and odesa dnipro yes and vinnytsia in the center, the capacity is still small in order for the city to concentrate a lot of population , housing must be above all from vinnytsia . people are ready to invest now in what kind of light i am simply madly surprised by the fact that the cost of housing in kyiv is increasing on the primary market on the secondary market, i would understand the increase

in the cost of rent, it would be understandable, but it is increasing the cost of housing, but in ukraine it was considered that it is better to have your own apartment, it will fit into your house, it is not known what and what with your investments, a person, as a rule, in the conditions of the post-soviet state and in general the latin american economy, which you now mentioned with such pleasure, you are today and never live tomorrow well, you know there is a large number of students , the situation has changed, but they invest in housing because, well, firstly, the victory grew, and secondly , they believe that after the war there will be housing available. this will be a very serious resource, but their own financial don't think that people just had such a large amount of free money in a certain amount, some of you, that they don't know where to put it, they invested it abroad if they had the opportunity . well, i'm asking you if there was a desire if people live here if for people if people people or

a person has no problem, the truth is, they want to leave their husband, they want to live here, their husband can’t leave. they buy a house because they moved from kharkiv to kyiv, by the way , what klitschko is saying now is that we have practically recovered the pre-war numbers population and i say that the number has not completely recovered, but it has recovered, but that does not mean that all kyivans have returned, came here from kharkiv , from dnipro zaporizhzhia, from melitopol, i don’t know, from kharkiv, from dnipro zaporizhia, yes, there is such a shuffling of the population, this is a reality - it is a movement and shuffling and shuffling the population moves with the rising of the south to the center of inertia, there are no people here , i, this is not a question for me, this is a question for you , why the government, what are the people for, people from lviv now

because there are opportunities, not only in the first place, there are the second possibility is that it is safe here, in fact, in kyiv, than in uzhgorod, than in uzhgorod, no, than in lviv, it is possible, lviv during this war , believe me as a person who lives for two months , uh, how many living people are there in kyiv, 2 or three big ones in number the same yes, it seems to me that people who live in lviv do not feel that way, they feel smaller , you know, lvivians are in the second, third, 25th generation, these people who came to lviv , in turn, can come to kyiv because kyiv can do better be protected by a closed point from the perspective of uzhhorod, it is clear that

no one will go there . as far as i know, nothing has been lost during the whole war. yes, of course, and you know what the problem is, there are still a lot of new buildings in kyiv, which even if you get there, well, for some reason, they don’t add up like houses of cards, that’s true , yes. and there, god forbid, it’s all housing stock yes yes well, not mostly. well, he is a huge project. meaning more than here. well well, when you talk about the fact that these five clusters exist, how far are they being developed at the official level

? not five, maybe four, maybe eight classes. i don't know, but we need to think about it and we need to discuss it . and i don't see this yet. we are starting conversations. the economy is unknown, where we will rebuild the economy of mennska, i don’t know there, zolotonoshi cherkasy, brave buchi well, somehow it won’t be like that at all, and when we invite an investor here, we have something to offer him, and we need to offer different things if we invite an investor, let’s say to the north of sumy region or chernihiv region. i think that we need to offer something to the investor so that he would come there. this could be the option of israel, maybe

it could be the option of military settlements. maybe i don’t know, there are many options, but we can give the authorities a painting, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, but the authorities have to choose what they will do. i don't really remember that anyone in israel really wanted to invest in a peace agreement with egypt, of course there was industry there, there were factories, there were jewish initiatives but everyone understood that they could lose it, but less was invested there and the dutch heights were also invested, it was already uh and it was state policy well, i know that it can lose all of it the truth is in the israeli state they invested i apologize in

the sinai peninsula now when we arrive in the conditions, in short, vacationers, this sinai peninsula, i am telling you about the explosives, you were not there either. well, well , in any case, a vacationer who was in egypt, they definitely visited us, they look at us when they come to the national you see, and the prices of israeli investments there can be hotels that were built during the time of israel, it does not exist. now i just said yes. i am not saying that a private investor will come there just like that. i mean in a row, but the state should encourage of a private investor to come there, it can be some kind of communications, it can be insurance of the risks of investing in these insurances , it can be other options, different, maybe the state itself should come to such places, and not through itself , you can get it, this is also a topic for discussion, we talk about it and let's think let's gather let's discuss let's decide because when we get kicked out

it will be too late we have to kick out and have a plan a b c d and i'm absolutely convinced that we have to have different plans for different territories in accordance with the final of the war is also probably so because the semi-final of the war can also be different there may be one line of contact another state border with shelling state border without shelling if such luck befalls us and we can agree that there will be blue fairy tales blue fairy tales yes and that there will be 50 km no there was an army, russia, a member of the security council. well, there were no fairy tales. he will not become a member of the un security council. he will be as long as he has nuclear weapons. well, the blind man said , ok, we will have this option. yes, you can’t . yes, i can dream. you must continue to give a clear

a scientific version of the fact that it is necessary to proceed from various options for peace agreements, i accept everything yes with this i pavlo says if yes then yes if they will stand on the border and we need to do something then another question well and so on if there is putin then putin's if not putin, not putin well, i mean that what can be a peaceful border may not be a peaceful border in any situation, the people who live there are in a 50-kilometer shelling zone, but this territory is controlled by the ukrainian state . it can develop one way or another. well, it it must if people live there it must develop moreover if it is our territory then it must develop and encourage certain categories of people okay but encourage people to live there otherwise it will not develop but again this creates not only economic i would say such social political ideological stamps who lives in israeli settlements, what did they mention

israel on the west bank of the jordan river, who lived once when the israelis did not withdraw settlements in the gas sector are ideologically motivated people, you and i, if we went to live in israel conditionally speaking, we most likely decide that we live in an internationally recognized territory because we worked, the truth is because we will be guided not even by ideology but by economic considerations, this is property, we buy it, we are not billionaires, we invest what we have, which is significant i need this apartment, a normal job will not be taken away if there are international agreements so that we are not paid any compensation. and if you are an ideologically motivated person, if you look at the tours, you say that god gave us exactly that , and i say that now there are ideas that we have regarding the return of our refugees from the war, i don't like the word refugees because refugees are a certain, clearly defined legal status of our war refugees . what can we return to ukraine? we can use the israeli experience. there

, the situation was completely different. israel, how did they go to the ground? it was covered in a bathtub, and many went to escape from europe, and this is also by and large israel in the first twenty years of its existence. it is a nation with a great trauma of the holocaust, it fled from those countries from which it tied to israel and ukrainians are in countries where they feel safe, jews do not feel safe in these countries even after the war, this is true, that's why i mentioned it only to emphasize a point we cannot mechanically borrow someone's experience well, it doesn't work out that way well i will not even talk about the return of people from abroad, i am talking about those people who can live in the territories of the conditional market, and this is the case even when we return people from abroad or

from western ukraine, we should ask them questions where do you want to return to mariupol or to kyiv? has anything been restored? practically restored. i was there about three weeks ago. practically everything has already been rebuilt, and bucha irpin moshtyun. nothing at all, but these two. well, more or less people will be washed away psychologically, there is some kind of brake . yes, my grandmother, who is a knee-jerk kyivan who returned to kyiv after the second world war, even after that , it seems to me that she was never in the area of ​​babi yar during the next four decades , they bypassed it because she died there my sister is with a baby as well as a husband and she lived in kyiv and somehow all her other relatives went, well, they didn’t have it personally and that’s why

it’s also i don’t know, you can’t compare the mentality of soviet people and modern people when did my grandmother return she returned to kyiv in 1944 because he was in the army from there, she and her two children lived in the entrance hall, the apartment was developed and she just lived in the entrance hall of her younger brother's apartment and hid from the police. they were allowed to wash and cook soup for the children and she lived there, you think can you imagine that now someone will live like this, i don't think so, that's what we're talking about, that's why when we talk, we have more people, i'll tell people, then they gave housing stock in the western regions, they were empty, people from chernivtsi wanted to live here and not go there, well

a conditional violation so that it is not in the whole world because we are my older grandmother, she went to natasha , the manager, well, she went to chernivtsi and there they offered apartments and everything, and she lived in chernivtsi, but there were not many such people , the majority of people returned to their of previous places of residence, now i am not sure what will happen, we have to ask people when we talk about the reconstruction of the cities of the destroyed cities, we have to focus on that and who wants to return there, i don't know if the people of mariupol will want to return to mariupol, seeing all this, they may want to live , kids perhaps, but there is also a legal problem, so find out that you are a resident of mariupol, your house was destroyed in mariupol , it was vacated, and there is some other housing stock built by a russian and in which you do not have eh, this is exactly what is legally resolved decided with alfa bank

to solve this problem there, i don’t see a problem here, the worse issue will be with crimea, people who left crimea to replace those who moved in, who will now be forced to leave again, other people, so what to do with the same. as far as i understand, the nationalization of housing was fund of the citizens of ukraine. that's what i'm talking about. what to do with it. it's another question, because people can live there. it's one thing to come to an empty house that was built there by russians, but it's another matter to come to your house, where people live now. okay, i'm stolen. i think we after the victory, we will get a very old population there, because the young people will most likely leave, the older people will stay because they have nowhere to go. here they have a house there or an apartment or something else and they will stay, they will vote for the peace party so that you don't

doubt, we have elections there hold well, by the way, many people believe that we will not be able to hold elections there, that people will not have voting rights. i want to look at it . don't forget that the 25th year is how many thousands of years of the charter of freedom. yes, we are too, well, there are many who operate ideas that are baltic example passports non-citizens of the treaty, there may be a transition period, but i don't quite understand how to do it. how do you separate those people who sincerely support ukraine, who live now in the occupied territories, not all of them could leave. if you want to know my position in general, i am against such an approach as such, it is stalinist approach have you been to the occupied territories ? and your relatives, this bucket immediately turns the country into a monster because the baltic countries simply recovered in the forties and

they did not separate anyone if you even we were the only ones who came to latvia after the 1940s and did not have a passport or relatives who had to undergo notarization . it's not true, they gave citizenship to everyone who passed neutralization until the 40th year. that's who passed the internet and no one looked at the national one. of course, if you're latvian and didn't have citizenship, you and your native language are latvian , it's easier for you to pass it than if you're russian, it's it's clear, but the approach was my passport by nationality, that's why i say that what we will have in those territories, we will have a lot of trouble even in those territories that were occupied in the 22nd year, but i'm just scared to think what we will have there i repeat once again in donbas it will be more difficult than in direct and don't think that we are not very optimistic from the point of view of people who are watching us optimistic conversation decide i can do well

let's shout yes glory to ukraine well glory no well maybe we need to find someone to end our conversation some strategy an optimistic strategy, the victory of ukraine is absolutely inevitable in this belief, in what form, in the fact that the ukrainian will survive as a state, this is a fact, yes, i absolutely agree with this, but you can’t name it. recently if we talk about the borders of 1991, my dream now is somewhere around 37 and a half million, too optimistic

of 91 yes, this is the transformation of ukraine, a conditional poland, into a conditional czechoslovakia. no, it’s not so harsh. well, there are 38 million ay-yay-yay in poland. 38 million yes or more. well, i have czechoslovakia. i didn’t even tell slovakia with which country it can be compared with poland, that is it will be just another poland, only poor, and only poor, and god forbid that we be as motivated as poles, all motivated by the economy of the national, from the state, state motivation, the war contributes to this state 's motivations yes, the truth is, we have never had such a unity of society that we have today maybe the poles were also motivated by the miracle on the donkey and what happened to them in 1939, they lost their state, then it became clear what

it is without again without a state, most likely and luckily we haven't lost yet and we haven't lost i hope we won't lose and if we talk about optimism , you know, god help us to preserve the degree of unity that we have today to avoid splits, the division of society will not be scary, it is normal, we are not the same and there is nothing terrible about it, but to avoid splits thank you for this conversation enzibar helps not only with heaviness in the stomach

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