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because we will definitely drive out the darkness that has come from the east happy independence day ukraine sbu we are approaching victory together we continue the broadcast of the program saturday poliklubzheliku season former deputy of the state duma of the russian federation congratulations mr. well let's start with the main russian event of this week the plane crash and i thought you would say the main russian event happy day of the independence of ukraine thank you thank you well, i believe that it was mr. shoyguk. i believe that it was revenge for

what happened in may. i have certain doubts that he himself was actually involved in this. putin, well, i guess he knew about it, i guess. no, uh, because they already have such a criminal gang and mr. shoigu was now a patient , and in which it was necessary to get rid of him , no one took him seriously now . well, he is a beautiful animal wanted and that's why i believe that he needed something like that and it was rockets uh. if it was launched from the ground . they were anti-aircraft missiles uh. well, who else, if not what , would have had it, should have done it. here you see now on er on video there are er marks

from er s300 from racquets and if you say about the cage, then if we like him in the fact that yevgeny progozhin opposed both of them, let's say, and putin's role here is still a little more detailed if you have any assumptions, because look, now the russian media are trying to present that it was not profitable for putin to die progozhin, because he publicly forgave him and he cannot be a traitor in the eyes of the russians. well, i think that in this case it is true. putin lives in criminal logic and for him, the value of his words for the russian elite is very important because it is the last thing he has it there it remains important for him that if he makes certain promises there, then that they will be fulfilled, and if it were putin, i believe that my plane is there, because it would simply disappear somewhere over there

, er, somewhere over africa, er, maybe the engine is there did it work or did the poison work there, er, it was certain well, something that can er, be taken away from you and here it is that inside russia and with a missile, well , it is not very likely. should it also be that gerasimov was involved for this? well, zlyva, but all the same, shaibud is a political figure, and gerasimov and they, uh, just now they appointed a new person as the head of the pks, eh, ipposh flew to him, and before that there was a surovitin, and a surovitin was a friend of the beauties, and while the surroitin remained there - it was impossible to do, but in the hall, well, it’s easy, and it is very likely that this was the price of his appointment and tell me in principle well, if

we talk about the situation that has developed around this whole story, it has strengthened putin , but it has not. how do you consider the current result? i think that putin has generally already lost the last lever of influence on the situation that he is already sitting in this car that is just rushing to the abyss and he can't do anything about it, and in my opinion that what happened is another illustration of the fact that people around him can do anything and this is for him. well, actually danger uh, because the next steps will already be taken there by horsemen uh and other people from his uh there is a blameless environment but what he is trying to do now uh he

is trying to make a look e what no he controls everything he this he knew everything. he was leading there, and the more he denies his own involvement until later more well, the west couldn't, i'm sure that kutsia didn't do it, that is, they say to the internal audience that no, it was not for him. so they deny that there are various leaders who believe that it was putin who did this, but i believe that they are wrong , the russian elites and ordinary citizens of the russian federation reacted, well, the average person does not understand what is happening and nothing depends on them, but it is lit well,

again, this illustration of instability is new illustration that it’s time to be interested, but i didn’t understand when , where, and when, and what to do, and what to do. and tell me, how do you consider this version of the involvement of the main intelligence department of the general staff of the russian armed forces, and here they are talking about general vilyanov , who in general heads the organization department murders and the mood of kolye involved in the attempt and to all these others to the attempt on heblev and to all other such actions of russian intelligence. what exactly did he organize this story? i believe that prigozhin had so many different relations with the game and with the fsb that it was simply dangerous to entrust them with such a case, and again , that's why the rockets a-a, because eh, and the probability that they threw them there, they would not inform

eh, bring the beauty was very small and that is why he behaved so carelessly, he understood 100% that he would be warned by anyone, if there putin would not be satisfied and would look for certain ways to de-escalate this situation. it's just a conclusion, yes, i would have found out about it and uh , you would have made an article, he uh, it was unexpected. how about you do you appreciate the words of ksenia sobchak that kadyrov should prepare for the next one because he is already the head of the only essentially uncontrolled army in russia? i believe that mr. kadyrov is a true pupil of mr. surkov , the long-term head of the political sector of the kremlin, and that is why i believe that ramzan

is being sufficiently careful to this whole situation and uh, he didn't go ahead with it and he uh pushed prigozhin to perform the most risky tasks there, that is, he says a lot, but i don't think that anyone in the kremlin feels from him now there is a real danger there, so that it is also unlikely that anything threatens him now. and how much, in principle, if we are talking about elite conflicts. how much, in principle, do you think that after this war, which group will be more serious from the point of view of the struggle for the succession of the chekist army? -e criminal world who is now at the center of opportunities i believe that in the end there will be an alliance between business , the so-called system liberals, government

and law enforcement officers , and not pnp. herself and the future influence and eh for control over eh situation, but now mainly most parts of the russian elites. she is just waiting , she also believes that the level of eh existing danger for them is less than the risk associated with the change. the volunteers made an offer to the wagnerites so who went to belgorod. do you think that the wagnerites will agree to this proposal and whether they will make another unifying attempt to take the kremlin? well, first of all, i think it is immoral to suggest that

a war criminal join the ranks of the ukrainian army. also mercenaries who fight exclusively for money there is of course a very small part of the wagnerites who are there ideologically and you can communicate with them and the russian freedom legion e-e communicates with them, but well, this is an exception, it is not a rule and in any way makes a public statement here join us well, technically, it is likely that there will be belarusian borders first, then ukrainian border borders, no such things are done in silence and i think that those who make such public statements are just catching hype and not really trying to do something as far as in your opinion, mr. ilya, in principle, it is possible to talk

about the preservation of wagner's influence abroad, or is it possible that now the kremlin will pay more attention to such projects? how will the so-called private district organization entrust everything to the real structures of the fsb or the main intelligence of the headquarters or service external development, as far as we can talk about consolidation, consolidation of resources, and i believe that wagner will be completely destroyed in july, and the part of wagner that is now in belarus will be dissolved within the russian army and there, this work has already begun, the offer has been made. well, we have already heard about what they tried to do when there was a meeting with putin, and there was a certain positional break from the wagners, but there would be no beauty in this interested, he stopped it. and the most interesting exercise

is what will happen in africa, because there are real resources there, huge money there , natural resources that they control and were controlled by me personally, and brought but there is a certain obligation there in front of everyone there all uh african leaders and something needs to be done with them, there are certain uh uh from those wagnerites there, probably units can take control of the game, namely this air force , but i don't know the rest. i think it will be there tomorrow now it's a huge struggle and we still don't know how it will end. and why is lukashenko keeping the wagnerites in belarus? it was an agreement directly with putin that he would not let them go because they are now expressing their desire to move, but

some of those who were going to move have moved. scheduled for this plane crash and now lukashenka appears to declare that no, no, everyone else will stay here well, first of all, there is a political interest here, and it is so complicated because on the one hand, when the wagners of belarus, uh, putin somehow feels that everything is under control and uh, he puts less and less be careful with lukashenka, on the other hand, there lukashenko has uh, let's say a second leg uh, which can protect him there in case of any riots, or there uh, problems with the belarusian army and uh he can use er well, the main reason is me i believe that putin from the very beginning, uh, tried to place them there to make provocations against lithuania and poland, uh, i don't think that the decision has been finally

reached there, but such a plan that they can enter there, he pushed his corridor, uh, to create a certain provocation against the nato bloc. i believe that such a plan existed, i heard about it a long time ago, back in the 18th year, but then they were not ready for theirs. and now with wagner, they could do it -e to do and now all these plans will obviously be destroyed thank you very much, mr. ilya , for participating in our broadcast. by the african influences of russia, after the death of everyone, now says that the general directorate of the general staff of the russian armed forces

, the former game, can take control of this situation. how much do you believe in this, obviously those the same news as you and it is obvious that today there is some kind of systematic work to move all the assets of the adventure to wagner's own under the control most likely of the military most likely of the military intelligence and the general staff of the russian volume african assets are actually very profitable in contrast to those functions performed by prigozhin and wagner in russia. activities abroad, in particular in africa , are very profitable and it is obvious that they are of great interest. it is very

symptomatic that this liquidation is consonant took place right after he came to light, so-called showed himself that he is in africa and that he controls his units and actually his connections er-er his statuses in the central african republic are small er-er in burkina faso there is the largest presence, how do we assess to what extent can russian targets located in africa take part in the fight for niger, well , it is a very difficult and interesting situation there , because first of all, they would tell me about the possibility of introducing contingents of their military countries, let's say, are not friendly to e.e. wagner and to e.e. the named mali and dubokinofasov

, first of all, nigeria e.e. declared that such military conduct is possible, and only then burkina faso and the mali declared for their part that they would consider it as e- e military actions and they will introduce the same, that is, the situation is becoming more and more tense and wagner will obviously , if it will, play some kind of auxiliary role in all of this eh, but this whole history of the west, west africa, it is quite complex , quite servile, and to this day, it seems to me that for the time being, the parties are rather will refrain from introducing troops than they will engage in direct clashes on the territory of the niker, but still, in mali, the situation is destabilizing now due to the removal of yevhen prigozhin. and it is unclear what will happen to

the russian mercenaries in africa. well, i do not have such exclusive information, i rely on the news, there are no big riots, there are no big changes, there are no small ones, so to speak, so to speak, the horpits of the putin regime and, well , there will be no beauty, there will be someone else. connections with modes will turn out well and small ones in the central african republic, in principle, it is one and the same office. well, i understand that no one can lead wagner because president putin yesterday signed a decree according to which all people who participate in military operations there must swear an oath to the russian federation, so you can't officially do something like this, yes, of course, but we see that a lot of private or semi-private military, military

, military technical companies are being created in russia. that is , gazprom is creating its own there. we have heard repeatedly that shoigu has his own er-e chvk appears there. that is, it is not a problem to legally issue er-e russian mercenaries who went to africa to replace the prigozhyns. and it can be like that, do you believe in such a version , let's say as the british publication daily mail writes that prigozhyn could have staged his death as he did before. there were already such precedents, but i personally don't understand why. but maybe you can name some benefits. well, i, er , modeling this situation, i would er, consider such an option as the most likely that it was not some kind of improvisation of prigozhin because it would be impossible for him to do it himself. perhaps if we consider the various conspiracy versions

, it was agreed with putin from the very beginning that this is how prigozhin will disappear at some point, and well, there is, and there it is spread . the information is again conspiratorial that prigozhin is so to speak, as a custodian or guard , so to speak, conventionally speaking , there is money from the shadowy, very influential people in the kremlin. border and so on, that is, if this is a staging, then it was actually agreed with putin and was definitely included in the package of agreements, actually, after which this action of the march to moscow was stopped. well, not one handsome man died there. and what about the others people, and all of wagner's management, in fact, he had to agree that all the people

with whom he had cooperated for ten years, who knew about his level of security, with his accounts of everything in the world, that they were all being beaten and they also flew on the plane, on the plane they were told with you beautified will not be his double because you have everyone will be killed. well, somehow, it also looks strange. this picture, well, the picture looks strange for normal people, but for the mafia. there is that prigozhin performed several other functions at the same time. that is, all these uh, butchery assaults of bakhmut , you understand, in which tens of thousands died , tens of thousands of uh, criminals, uh , that is, people who, in the event of some kind of chaos in

russia, immediately become to say members of various bandit groups and everything else, that is, those who died together with the victim, as already understood, after the events of two months ago including cleaning up the e-e for the e-e regime of objectionable and dangerous people. let 's move on to the next topic. vitaly, don't you have any questions on this topic ? inviting six new countries ethiopia

, argentina, the egyptians, the uae, and saudi arabia , after all, this means that something like nato is being built. for example, the authorities of egypt and saudi arabia, for example , are explaining this situation. er, the approval of these applications is on the side saudi arabia and egypt we heard that they received an invitation and they are thinking about it and are most likely inclined to accept this invitation . that is, it is a very complicated combination. first of all, we heard there about 40 countries that want to accept and that they first of all accept saudi arabia

, the united arab emirates and iran - this is a very serious symptom of the influence of china itself , because very recently china became an intermediary and actually a guarantor of -e of a certain softening tensions between iran and the sueite countries of the gulf, that is, the fact that they are together in brics is, so to speak , part of some geopolitical strategy of china in this case, but not only, not only this combination is obviously present in this expansion, in general, of course, this union became attractive at a certain stage, and it is clear why it is an alternative, therefore, those integrations , globalization, which is carried out by the west led

by america, and those rules that offered by the event, they are not well received by them autocratic regimes are a global cock. and, in fact, in the statements in the final declaration, we very clearly saw what exactly these countries of the global south do not like, and they do not like them in the first place. the use of economic sanctions , that is, if you read this declaration, the strictest wording it concerns economic sanctions, the economic sanctions imposed on iran, eh , have very serious reservations in this sense, china, eh, there are certain precedents, so to speak, on eh, regarding the imposition of sanctions on saudi arabia. well, and so on. that is, on the one hand, it looks like such a big geopolitical game, but very

often it is about some conjunctural and situational interests that have coincided at this moment for many countries. well, the most important thing is that they do not demand democracy well, on the other hand, what is the practical sense of the fact that there is no common market in the brics, there are no different economic interests , india wants to cooperate, that it is the united states of china, to conquer against russia , to introduce sanctions. you said it yourself , that is, it is impossible to even agree here economic strategy as in the european union, of course, it is still very far from nato and the european union and even from the regional associations that exist there in the south of africa and in the north of africa, it is very far, and brics actually existed and exists at the moment when the same brics are held because there are no executive structures, permanent structures and so on, but uh, very soon

it will take place. as we know, uh, the summit of the g20 is also in india. at that time, these six countries will meet there, or not officially accepted but if we look at the composition of this group of twenty, then relatively speaking, the west will meet there, that is , the united states and its european allies , australia, japan, and so on , and the brics and brics plus countries. that the economic e-e it already becomes e-e obvious so far declarative declarative i.e. it is based on some values ​​so e-e common and views of both the eu and nato and what are

here e-e points of contact points of contact from what is possible should not be removed as pragmatic to demand democracy from us, uh, we don't need to threaten us with economic sanctions, this is, so to speak, the core of those values ​​on which this community unites, so to speak. well, this is actually what china says all the time, because even its peace plan for ukraine says that it is necessary that there should not be any unilateral sanctions, that sanctions are the prerogative of the un security council, that is, china is shepherding russia, so in fact, there is nothing new compared to the previous statements of the same china and, er, we do not hear from its allies, but what is new is as if to this position other countries that actually have economic interests and geopolitical interests that are different from china are joining, that is, at this moment

, their positions have converged and this is reflected in the expanded brics . well, do you think that the chinese is such a one-man leader of group a india or there are no people there? i think that china at the moment when it proposed something that could be supported by others, it worked, so to speak, but as soon as china starts promoting some of its interests, which will not correspond to the interests of other countries, this er, well, for example for example, there is a big difference in e-e trade in hydrocarbons, that is, saudi arabia , the united arab emirates and iran are