[000:00:00;00] ukraine still paid attention to the fact that the bureaucratic procedure is a huge number of documents that need to be collected in order to receive the status of a participant in hostilities , which has already been earned by military personnel, and they changed what has changed. the participation of a person in measures not necessary to ensure the defense of ukraine, the protection of the safety of the population, the serenity of ukraine in the conditions of military aggression of the russian federation against of ukraine, what does it mean that a person receives such a certificate from a military unit, it fits into the e-e circumstances due to which he will receive such a certificate about direct participation, it can be a certificate about an injury

, then this document or a log of combat operations or orders or an intelligence operation is reported , i.e. previously, it was necessary to do it all together, he added , they changed the old order, no order, if it was so and remained that 30 days from the moment that as for the participation of the person in the execution of hostilities , he replaced or conducted an intelligence operation suffered an injury, she submits such a certificate to this commission for the provision and status of this same person, it is either the immediate commander of this person or the head of the company in which there are such military units in which this serviceman served in principle, if we talk about whether there were some real serious

problems that people had when receiving this status , to what extent they can be solved by these new decisions, you know, i read an interview with the minister of defense, who says that this circle will largely help to get rid of dear, there is no need to create extra bureaucrats, this bureaucracy that will then be cleaned up, as if with one such decision that now the certificate will solve everything. the deadline to submit all documents to this commission so that a person who was injured or took part in hostilities or conducted a separation operation to be granted such status

this is the first problem commanders do not submit, and if the person himself, i.e. a military serviceman. i want to do it. well, you know that. i can give you an example. we have such an example . many servicemen come to us and cannot obtain such a status. this is indicative. back on september 24, a serviceman was seriously injured on september 24, 2022. now he was treated was treated was treated and then he was called up limited fit for military service from july 23rd he began to undergo military service in the tcc in tsn this is the territorial center of recruitment for social support the so-called military commissariat what do you think, he counted on the fact that

the commanders of the units where he serves, he has been since september. well, almost since october of last year, he took all the necessary actions according to the law according to the order and handed over all the documents to the commission , the commander did not do this directly , the serviceman applied and verbally and in writing and wrote a report no does nothing this comment is already addressed directly by the head of the theater center for social support on july 14 no war so now we will take care of this serviceman this is how and many others and we will turn to the minister of defense who said that now there is no bureaucracy and you still understand what i would like to say that not only the cabinet of ministers supposedly takes care of simplifying

the procedure for obtaining such a status, on august 21 a group of deputies led by the speaker of the parliament ruslan stefanchuk with colleagues , including from galina hrytsykova, submitted a bill that provides for the creation of a single register of military personnel, which supposedly contains the information in the tag in the new register, simplifies the procedure for obtaining such a status. i do not i understand how, but we will still see. maybe it will happen again. some of them are already in our accounts. this register will work very easily, but there is no . only about this, i want to draw the attention of all defenders and defenders that there will be a separate status of the defender and the defender who are currently defending

the borders of our state and now protect our state, its souvenirs, sovereignty , independence day. there will be 5 cat-categories of dependence on dubenescu of each defender in this work, in this struggle, which he is now contributing and dependence on this will be social support well, nothing has been written about it yet, but it will be, so i think that now it is necessary to discuss this bill among defenders and advocates and express either in support of it or some other opinion, but the main thing is that the commanders to whom i am now addressing should pay attention and fulfill their duty so that each of our servicemen , who are currently protecting us, nevertheless received

their status as a participant in hostilities and received proper protection from the state and the protection of the head of his family as well. i want to ask you one more thing about what is happening with contacts with international human rights organizations, how do they generally imagine the security situation in ukraine about you now, is there any, i would say, distortion of understanding. ukrainian federation on the territory of ukraine will say why do you remember march 6, 2022, our country , international human rights defenders announced that let's create a special tribunal, which

was, for example, roland's new orbits and so on there were only four in the world, they talked and nothing happened. why is that? we have an international criminal court that works thanks to him and there are already two arrests. only state to state crimes , that's why i believe that we need to talk every day about the fact that the creation of a special tribunal should be then bring our national legislation into line with international legislation and still to do something to determine who is the victim of this war in our country, then it will be possible to count the debts of the russian federation, yes, still

, to serve meaningful whiskey for reparations. i believe that it is necessary to work more actively with international organizations, and to use independently the commission that works under the organization of of the united nations, thank you to mrs. lyudmila lyudmila denisova , human rights defender, head of the ukrainian center for human rights, we talked about ukraine granting the status of participants in hostilities, what changed after the cabinet ministers made a decision to change the position in the order of receiving how much easier it is now how much the situation has improved in general what still needs to be done we will now move on to our next interlocutor artist writer teacher of painting venezia kateryna margolis e-e i congratulate you ms. kateryna friends and so we are on

indeed, we want to talk about a-a-a topic that is on social networks for me . it sounded and i was surprised . we are common when the world seems to me that all people who, let's say, hold some kind of liberal views, survived in the then soviet union, they perfectly understood that the baltic countries were occupied and that this topic did not even require additional explanations , and when we were children there, we came to we call the republic of soviet fishing on this, the parents told us that it was in the order of things, but it turned out that for many people who now generally condemn the war in ukraine and so on, that this is not in the order of things yes, unfortunately, this was also quite a big surprise for me, because my parents also told me about it early enough, she passed the questions

, it seemed to me that you understand it all by yourself, it’s the history and the beginning and the beginning of the second world war and the occupation of of the baltic countries by the soviet union, and everything that was then turned out to me that this is indeed the case in the general population, in the general anti-soviet people . then let when they found out that uh, these are completely non-obvious things, and what’s more, it is the subject of heated discussions, very emotional discussions, because i personally see on social networks that for a huge number of so-called anti-war russians who may have even left russia at first, a full-scale

invasions that are not unconditionally supported by the putin regime. and the entire imperial component of the history of culture is rooted in the club of centuries and in the terrible decade of our own memory absolutely not obvious, moreover, such a disease to the reaction of a conversation about it seems to me to be a sign of the fact that it is very deeply embedded in the culture and is not reflected. and therefore any conversation about it is perceived as an attack on identity itself, because it is precisely because it embeds identities that you know here a question arises, let's put it this way , the responsibility that we discuss all the time and we cannot come to any general knowledge that for some , the russian state is responsible

for others, the russian state is responsible, but the society does not respond to good people, they just happen to be at the front now, yes , now there is a new, strange moment that i did not follow so clearly before, this is the desire to prove that the ukrainians themselves are generally to blame for what happened historically because they are recognized as the builders of the empire , this sounds from all the respected, so to speak , russian liberal in-laws, this is the russia of the ukrainians, which was the same imperial consciousness as the russians, that is, they were parts of this all this was built by the soviet union of the russian empire, and in the 91st year, everything just somehow changed, maybe yes, i am surprised for me, this is also completely new news , some kind of soft juice, because i heard similar things not only in regarding ukraine, they recently told me that i just returned from the embassy the other day, and one uh, well, you, a journalist, told me that there were enough parts of the regulations in relation to

transambaltii that such red arrows would have protected lenin and trotsky, but they would not have protected everything would have been good. everything would have been good. here you are, during the interest rate, you made an impression. and now they are dealing with the fact that we are together here. and you are responsible and how would this be mirrored with the patient, the main thing is that i am healthy. well, it is very often, such an easy method, the criterion is the simplest, the fool himself, but the questions of responsibility are really very important, but they are not spoken about because this is a terrible confusion , first of all, because of the same victimization of especially liberal people the values ​​of the liberal slim, which have always been so tired in the form of a victim of the regime, which will be a victim of repression, and so on , and

this is all tom wrote about it, and if you need to complete the bicycle , you won’t have any a-a. the question of guilt is addressed in the past, and the question of responsibility is simplified from the present to the future, the answer is what happens in relation to an event, even an event that you have no control over. that's why i often ask when you cross the street, hit a car, hit a passer-by, you can go on, your moments are coming platvetstvennost you can go further , there may be a service, and you can prednaviroat , maybe you can do something about it, accordingly , now, your future life, everything that has happened since this moment, as if sanctified. and you understood in relation, including by you, in relation to this event, therefore, in this case, it seems to me that it has no

meaning, and they accepted there in that or no person, any of us, eh, the solution to the invasion of ukraine is natural. no, it’s not at all ізбаляет от основения основление онноспания well, this is the educated person. it seems to me that this is an enlightened class of people who have the privilege of knowing something. that this is what is ultimately decided by this generation, 30 years have already passed . well, i have the feeling that for many of my russian colleagues, these 30 years simply continued in a shortened geographical version of the soviet union. well, for which we are all responsible and what we created other states different projects with errors and problems. well, they differed from the russian federation. someone in latvia created a state that is now in the european union and nato. someone in ukraine

created a state that became to drift there to the west. in the beginning of the 2000s, someone in uzbekistan created their own state, which was a dictatorship. in general, how are these two things very important ? it seems to me that the first one, again, all the same, the imperial optics, which did not call, will simply pay attention to the person, but that is, yes, something happened in ukraine , yes, it happened in the baltic countries, yes no, we will be separated from this event and further from the public general consciousness , something happened there. well, here is the maidan, eh, the first one.

here in ukraine, there are some riots, but on the outskirts of the empire , the people are not calm, not calm , the people are agitated, er, the whip. we are all pain and all fighting , really, i don't want to to reanimize some of them fought there and so on and so on but don't bear the responsibility for actually well some kind of deep infinitilism infantilism that is connected to po-moye me not my dishes there it is never with the history of violence of the history suppression as if one's own personality actually speaks with childhood and beyond, who are sold into such an idea on the one hand, are such an egocentric narcissist who still sees everything in relation to himself, and when everything happens in relation to us. and from the other country, we are always responsible for what the responsibility is someone else's. by the way, i am very surprised when such a request

for the sharing of responsibility is common . the people just pretended to be a jewish commissar , why are you reading us here? and this one is not a bad, non-democratic country in our country, you built it, this is a jewish conspiracy, and this is a parasitic thing. what are these same people? who all their lives have been exposed to absolutely undeserved insults simply because of their origin and for showing the chauvinists that it is the jews who built the soviet government, they are starting to put forward the same paradigm against the ukrainians. here again

, from the sick , the main thing is to avoid finding the goat. it is not important to find the culprit. inadequate and logical ones that don’t even fit into the scheme. they are good, but they all serve such a planet and self -apologetics. it’s such a practical inspection. i can already see the reaction at the level of you carry me, but the trauma is not mine, don’t touch me. i have nothing to do with it. people of jewish origin, and this is such a war, and instead of working on empathy, it would be natural to work directly in the subordinate direction on working on self-defense and translation , only responsible for the second and absolutely replacing the aggressor with a victim mi stelli and how is the ego in principle the goal? you can understand it. in fact, on the one hand, it destroys some trust here, and on the other hand , it does not create trust there, you

know, because in putin's russia, it is completely different . paraziya na perceives ukraintsov more like, uh, such an opposition group that needs to be simply destroyed , crushed, bent over everything, like the people who, together with the russians, built the imperial state. this , too, is already obvious. this is the same, this imperial imperial thinking is quite interesting, i am sure that there will be a lot more written about it, it is brilliant that this weapon and those countries cause weapons and those and others, but only for putin’s rickets, weapons of attack and attack and for a-a how will a person really be through such a weapon of self-defense, which is this eh and eh, i think that you asked someone to learn some kind of rational answer yes yes yes i also have it for many more months and i come to the conclusion

that when the speech is not reflected some part of the very depth of identity, and clearly talks to you in a friendly way, it perceives it as a threat to itself in the dough, it is completely irrational, i am constantly looking for it on myself, as if it is just a joke messenger, and i see that people do not bring arguments to me er, they can quote a quote, er, they’re the place of this, there’s a little bit of vuduschans, you’re talking impeystvo visit, er, a man and he says, somehow, he dares to insult me . well, it seems to me that something else is a second problem, that is, not only even with tremors there is more to keep within one's own ethics mistrust of the identity of the second, by the way, for a very long time, they felt this variety of their own compatriots who , let's say, adhered to pro-russian views . they sincerely did not believe that their neighbors over there

on the staircase could be real ukrainian identity, that they really they want to speak ukrainian there, children are taught in ukrainian schools, i don’t know how to sing ukrainian songs at all, there is an independent state, well, somehow, if we have such a gift from heaven, this is a russian language and a russian world, yes well, that is, they can only fool themselves. well, this is such a game. by the way, i heard this from my colleagues in moscow in the 90s . it was repeated again when i spoke to them . it's the same feeling. they told me you're fooling yourself, you're a normal person , you can't do it, you really want it. it's been 30 years.

they know everything well, they know exactly who and always they are telling the truth when they make an opening. i don’t know you there, the mouthpieces, and so on. i asked everywhere. oh, it’s very difficult to imagine. well, how does the actual mental map appear on the second one, and in this mental map, again, without it, moscow is the center of the universe. not a single normal journalist can wants not wants not aspires to eh this light this light beautiful capital and this status moscow there or russian well, accordingly, the whole hierarchy in general is built takoy takoy kosmos built around eh around этого и привещение что что не э-э что мы устроен высокой выход, for someone it's completely different что что не ех, ех, it's not a dream, it revolves

around the earth. i'm on the contrary, ех well, it's practically impossible, it requires a lot of effort , re-examination of any yes, it requires a certain effort, and i don’t know what kind of intellectual effort it is. we consider ourselves fully educated, intelligent, and sane. we consider ourselves incapable of doing this . it is not the curiosity of the people leaving the former soviet union who came from russia who is absolutely uninterested in where they came from. that is, i have seen such people

who take the soviet union with them and want to i would say that the material conditions are pleasant for them. well, don't be surprised at all. how do you become open to the world on a day when you are not familiar with you ? it is possible to catch with you, we are with you, it is possible to deceive with you, something is possible to do, this one seems very deep to me, and the threshold of such a soviet camp, i do not know everything from the mentality of when and everything i cry with myself to my head without listen to the wineism of those who are worthy of peace. that’s all, eh, that’s how it is in moscow , there are the last summers in russia, the last big cities, 10 you need such a latte, there are bicycle paths, the whole entourage of a european city is such a, uh, such

a camouflage, such a kind of camouflage that they filled behind , which is not really worth it. history is there for values ​​and everything that led to this, let's say, european civilization, well, the whole system is considered justified to the extent that history when people's biographies become a reason for them to be professionally parted with somehow history at the vilnius university yes, uh, how important is the definition of carrying occupation or annexation in order to question the political position of a person let's say yes, very much like before because i 'm not the institution of the baltic countries - what is really behind it is that there was too much of everything and noises and mutual accusations and so on. i believe that a person, of course, not only has a right-handed person, he should reconsider

his views, eh, preferably on his former ones and public declarations are to be made public too, not to do this by default. you see, i already believe that i don’t know about crimea. i shouldn’t be in russia. where does this come from, if not, where it is not specifically declared, but freedom of speech is responsible for your word, too in what way does she break down personally, professionally, and so on, this is already a question of specific decisions of the historical circumstances of the law, and in general, i think that yes, such a responsibility is definitely such a responsibility definitely exists and is special for a person, again, intellectual poison is a public person from a person working as a student, so it seems to me that the right-wing reaction was

public to the extreme - it is enough, well , much more worthy, let's say, than his defenders , who instantly, as in history with rain , accused lithuania of fascism and nazism or further , everything on the list is complete and zerkalnaya is again like that in putin's rhetoric, the constitution is right there, too. the problem is that there are many western intellectuals like the same professor the university of american europeans, they often express more about putin's positions than a representative of russian emigration and there are no consequences for it. this is not what is important. he sees it unconditionally, but well , we understand very well that one thing is the first thing : the history of countries, the history of traumas, it is different, there is only one thing, i i will say something, i will sit here in italy and say such a painful reaction, if i say something there, i don't know about italian fascism , but some other things will not

affect anyone in any way, and the second thing is the country that is standing has survived and has been under russian occupation for so long, of course , as if the points of numerology are completely different. before communism in poland, in naples, ugu then wrote that he was in this naples from the end of the second world war, from the beginning of the 1950s to the beginning and end of the 80s and the beginning of the 90s isolated because an italian woman from neapolitan politics and culture mainly hangs out about the communist left