[000:00:00;00] and the minister of defense of the country can afford the last wars only in private and only when he has the sense to defeat the enemy also at the expense of strategic planning, including the purchase of winter uniforms of protective equipment. and what is very important. you may not be a minister in the country. and i will continue to do my job. how the events will unfold. we will see later during this week . well, indeed, in an interview, president zelenskyi promised that corruption during martial law can be equated with treason, but it is not known whether he said it in connection with this case or not. katya, i will only remind you that this is not the first procurement scandal of the ministry of defense . previously, the mirror of the week reported that the ministry of defense buys food for servicemen twice and three times more expensive than in kyiv stores. the so-called scandal of eggs for 17 hryvnias, the ministry of defense then called this information a lie, a manipulation and promised to turn to the sbu. however, according to

journalists, deputy minister of defense vyacheslav shapoval and the head of the department procurement bohdan khmelnytskyi are under investigation thank you oleg oleg gallif my colleague told me the details of the journalistic investigation regarding jackets for the armed forces and possible corruption in the ministry of defense. i should note that for a conversation on this broadcast we invited the minister of defense of ukraine oleksiy reznikov or representatives of the ministry of defense to us, they replied that today , no one will be able to join the broadcast, however, the press service of the minister also told us that today mr. reznikov will give a press conference where he will report and tell, answer the questions of journalists, radio svoboda journalists will be present at this press conference, so follow this topic on our platforms , we will definitely continue to talk about it well, we will continue to talk with the head of the public anti-corruption council under the ministry of defense of ukraine, yevhen nekhnets

joined the your drama, mr. yevgeny. good morning. you wrote everything on facebook that the public council before the ministry of defense will receive or has already received access to all the documents in order to find out the circumstances. the documents are secret in in the state of martial law, they cannot be distributed there. you have such access as

of today that you and your colleagues managed to establish whether the jackets were winter or not. they are not demi-seasons, these are winter jackets that are sewn in turkish factories, and at the moment we understand that these events took place in the summer of autumn 2022, and they were delivered to the armed forces of ukraine already in the fall . most of these jackets were indeed issued, and

some of them still remain in warehouses. therefore the first statement that the jackets were summer, it is not true, and accordingly, we all must understand that the figures that journalists talked about, that the jacket allegedly costs $20 or $30, we understand that for $30, it is impossible to buy a winter jacket, besides, public anti-corruption the council had already established that the ministry of defense did not have tikhenboys who were caught , uh, what journalists have, that is the invoice, the price specified in the turkish documents, because these documents are submitted exclusively by the turkish side when he sends the goods, in principle, according to the documents of the ministry of defense, he should not have this document because they had a contract, they had a price. in addition, we also established that the ministry of defense began to receive in october 2022 these jackets at the same time that the manufacturer or supplier did not receive the full prepayment under the contract

, so we are finding out why this happened. it definitely did not harm the armed forces of ukraine, but there were such things, besides, the entire batch of goods that was delivered was in full in the volume, there were some small flaws in these jackets, they related there, if i am not mistaken, to some kind of loophole, but with the participation of the command of the logistics and quality control forces of the ministry of defense, a commission was created , which, in view of the urgent need for the need for these jackets already in the winter season of 2022 - the year is 2023, they were all accepted, so today the public anti-corruption council plans to visit a warehouse or warehouses where these jackets are stored. for me, there is no question whether it was summer, or whether it was winter chickens, because well, they were definitely winter, and

if you give me one more minute, they were talking about a batch of jackets with , well, about 200,000 pieces, in fact , the ministry of defense purchased many times more of these jackets because the army that protects us. well, these are hundreds of thousands of people , and what we are getting so far is that we want to receive documentary confirmation that contracts for the purchase of jackets should be concluded. levyk purchases, we know that all these procurements are already the majority of the platform is transparent. that's why i'm absolutely sure that there will be no such scandals. well, they are, let's say, quite straightforward . well, there won't be any, but as for 2023 , there won't be any such scandals, or from what point. of course, this is not the case in all spheres

of procurement of the ministry of defense, there are no such mechanisms that are not implemented in defense procurement where weapons and ammunition are purchased , but this is definitely correct, we cannot , ukraine cannot, uh, publicly discuss the question : how much? it should be reminded that minister reznikov, in principle, planned to propose to a journalist, a journalist, a weaver, and deputies in this context that it is assumed that they are definitely winter. see, this question is definitely not for the ministry of defense, because when the ministry of defense e-e signed the contract, the contract

indicated the price and as a manufacturer, taking into account that this is a commodity domestic production, how will the manufacturer declare the value of these products there in the country of origin , then countries and through which this jacket was transited, this in fact does not concern the ministry of defense at all, and moreover, i will tell you that at the time when these contracts were concluded, uh, well, you mentioned in your story that there were several people accepted in this contract was signed personally by the head of the department of procurement. this was also a practice because it developed at the beginning of the war when there were very few people and he made such a decision, but the questions from which he based the data when he made this decision , we want to find out why that well, it is really important that the question is related

to this company with a representative from the authorities or from the deputy corps, it is of great importance if it really was uh, how to say a conspiracy, then this is one story, this is corruption. if it was not conspiracy this was a contribution to the fact that these jackets were in the ukrainian army, that is if we say that this is a contribution to the activities of the armed forces, that is why we are trying to answer all these questions at the ministry of defense gives access to all these documents, we have already received them but there is one component when people who directly participated in this process of preparing the monitoring of this contract, they no longer work in the ministry of defense , the head of the department who was responsible for this, for example , is currently under investigation in the pre-trial detention center therefore, well, it also makes its own corrections, well, the process, well, let’s say that the investigation of communities at the beginning, when such contracts are formed, such

purchases, is the amount of money that is invested there for each unit of the product immediately established and is it a normal practice that it can then change from your of experience, how are these purchases now taking place, and speaking of whether the company with which such contracts are concluded are checked at all, because as you already mentioned, the co-founder is, as it were, the nephew of the people's deputy from the servant of the people, the member of the council of state and security committee. this is obviously a conflict of interest, and again, this information is not checked. this information will be investigated before such contracts are signed . the ministry of defense. they indicated that it would be $86 for a winter jacket, so that was the price and it was delivered at that price. in addition, during this period , winter jackets were supplied by another supplier, it was a bulgarian

supplier, and their price was $10 higher therefore, to talk about the fact that the ministry of defense together with the supplier changed this, well, this is incorrect, because the price was indicated in the contract and at this price the supplier supplied this jacket , the price change took place without the participation of the ministry of defense, most likely, but we, i cannot give you an answer today why did such a price occur according to the documents, but this is a question of the supplier, that is, how did he export this product from the country of origin from turkey at what price, maybe he did it in order to reduce taxation to pay less taxes but the price for the ministry of defense did not change it was constant and the price for these jackets was less than that from another supplier so to say that there was a price gouging three times is wrong and it is not really true now now the second part of the question

about verification but we must understand that at the time when this contract was signed , the ministry of defense did not have an anti-corruption department that exists today; in addition, you must understand that not all state bodies in including the ministry of defense is so progressive when they have access to all bases, especially to some foreign ones where they can have qualified employees check who are the founders or directors of these enterprises. to date, this is already happening. i cannot say that it is happening too qualitatively, but at least some filters so that there are no such obvious abuses, they already exist, therefore it is very difficult to check whether there are any representatives of deputies, founders of the company, if we look when this happens in the process of investigating criminal proceedings, so it takes even years to do this, it is necessary to officially

contact other countries so that they give interrogation requests and , accordingly, get the grounds for this . well, to date, these procedures have already been launched, but at that time the ministry of defense did not have them if we talk about the documents published by the journalist yuriy nikolov, do you have any questions about these documents, are they authentic ? look at the document published by yuriy nikolov. i personally spoke with yuriy, but i will definitely do it, we will talk to all the members . to the law enforcement agencies to see if there are any forgeries or distortions of any information, and unfortunately the public

anti-corruption council will not be able to establish this because we simply do not have such powers if we talk about communication, because this story is old, it is actually, and it was around winter jackets that it arose in such a way that mr. reznikov, the minister of defense of ukraine, proposed it in response to an investigation into the question of anti-corruption activists and society about what is happening in general with purchases, do you think that this is generally appropriate communication from the minister or is there not some kind of manipulation here , because when the minister proposed the tsepers, he said again only that this winter or summer jackets, and there it was found that the company that participated in these procurements was involved in these purchases with the people's deputy from the servant of the people, in particular, with regard to other questions about quality , for example, and the increase in the price of these jackets , which arose again from journalists. so how

do you evaluate this communication? well i would always know when er there i try to give some kind of assessment to some actions i try to put myself in the place of it, including in the place of journalists and citizens and in the place of ministers we must understand that when this story allegedly began with accusations that summer jackets were purchased, and winter jackets were sold, and the price was tripled. well, this objectively did not correspond to reality, and we understand that if this hypothesis were true, then our army would wear summer jackets in winter , this did not happen. therefore, i understand the minister that when he is accused of something that really did not happen and something that objectively could not be , well, maybe he is somewhere in this way, i want to prove to show that these accusations are absurd. i also would not like to forget that in

we are going through a war today and everyone is like that. and if they are invented or artificial, then they negatively affect, first of all, my image of ukraine in front of our partners who invest a lot in finance and material aid, and secondly, they demoralize not only the minister whose address has been accused of all those people who have something to do with it, who every day defend our ukraine, sign contracts because of it. well, perhaps a variant of such communication is a manifestation and a response to such accusations, but none the less today, these facts have already been established, and i can say that the minister is right in that there was no overestimation of the price of a summer jacket over a winter jacket, and that the jackets were indeed winter jackets, but the point at which we started the conversation with you is that you mentioned that it is very important when activists, journalists, society pays attention to this, and taking into account the state of war

and the fact that this information will not be available to everyone , when journalists find such facts and regarding eggs for uah 17, then we know that the case is being conducted, there is an investigation being conducted and uh that is, it is not just someone's words, there are also certain facts that emerge from these investigations of journalists, therefore, journalists must also do their work in this sense. i will note that we also invited representatives of the ministry or the minister to the air. we were informed that today mr. minister will give a press conference, let's hope that all the journalists who want to can ask questions and this topic will be more clear. thank you for joining. yevhen neznets, the head of the public anti-corruption council at the ministry of defense of ukraine, was a guest of svoboda in the morning when we were talking about another scandal surrounding the procurement of the ministry

of defense of ukraine . that behind the explosions on the gas pipelines of the northern stream may be people allegedly connected to ukraine, journalists referring to unnamed sources of tangential research they write that the version about the alleged ukrainian trace is, i quote, particularly convincing, although the german prosecutor's office is still investigating the incident according to spiegel. in the field of investigation, the crew of the andromeda yacht, which was probably used to blow up gas pipelines, was found on board this boat , traces of the same explosives as at the site of the explosion before and after the explosions in the baltic sea , the group believed to have been on board the yacht was in ukraine, according to the journalists of the second channel of german television, referring to the data of special services in the material also says that a few months before the incident, the dutch military intelligence received information that six people, as claimed by a source connected to ukraine

, wanted to blow up the nord stream pipes from a small ship during nato military exercises in the summer, this data was passed on to american intelligence. in turn contacted german colleagues due to the fact that nothing happened in the sea in june 22nd, germany did not take any additional measures to protect the pipeline, as journalists write with their data, the american intelligence unofficially advised ukraine to refrain from possible attack plans . at the same time, the minister of the interior of germany, nancy feser . refused to comment on whether ukraine had anything to do with the sabotage, but stated that she was not aware of the alleged warning from german partners about

the risks of sabotage in the northern summer of the 22nd year, ukrainian experts and political scientists were skeptical about the material of german e-e editions, and so, for example, political scientist volodymyr fesenko believes that such a text can be an information company that can be carried out specially by both western and russian special services in their own interests . official kyiv i will remind any accusations of the blasting of a gas pipeline in the baltic sea, declaring that he was not involved, the minister of defense of ukraine and the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi made such statements. i will remind you that in the fall of 22 on the night of september 26, three of the four lines of the nord stream 1 and nord stream 2 gas pipelines were destroyed by explosions at the bottom of the baltic sea in neutral waters. both gas pipelines were not working at that time, although they were filled with technical gas for the operation, according to the official investigation , andromeda was used as such on which traces of explosives were found. poland and ukraine in the explosions in russia separately blamed

the collective action and denied their involvement . mykhailo gonchar, who is now on the phone with us, ukrainian expert on international energy and security relations, president of the center for global studies strategy 21 mykhailo , i welcome you to our broadcast good morning, in your opinion, the information that was heard from german journalists in german publications, and hmm, it is not entirely reliable either is not new. hm . actually, this is a continuation, so to speak, the second tranche of the movie that took place back in june , it's just getting more and more details here which makes the version more believable, but which, nevertheless, is not true, because in principle nothing new has appeared, all the same things that were described

before and what if they cast a shadow on ukraine in this context i again, i do not take into account the version criticized by everyone from the point of view of technical nuances, that is, now everything is perceived as if the yacht is real and everything was done. to mean that ah and in principle some investigators adhere to this point of view, as far as it is possible to understand that it was simply a cover operation, that is, under a false flag, a trace is laid on ukraine because ukraine has a motive to destroy this gas pipeline, and in russia they say, as if a priori alibi

well, the swedish investigator and the german investigators at one time stated, of course, without specific names, that the russian version was not being considered, because they said, well, what motive could russia have to destroy its own gas pipeline , and this is exactly what i think is wrong approach because russia had exactly the motives to destroy this gas pipeline. i would like to remind you that in connection with the undersupply of gas by gazprom for german e-e and not only german european companies in general e. -intermediate and two german european union junipers made serious claims to gazprom in the context of payment of the corresponding compensations and in general this amount reached 15 billion dollars as of february of this year and

relevant arbitration claims were made. gazprom is trying to avoid any fines the payment of any compensations is motivated by the fact that there was a certain force majeure event, someone blew up the gas pipeline , and that's why they say we owe nothing to anyone because there is an article about force majeure, agree that $15 billion, and in general, the amount of possible claims can to reach and it was called earlier figures of up to 30 billion dollars. this is quite a large amount and of course for it, er, in order to repel this attack, so to speak, by former clients of gazprom . well, there is a lot to go on.

german is german, journalists, german publications, referring to their unnamed sources, write about such a version of events that the evidence points to the participation of ukraine, and in general, the question here is technical, can it be done by a simple group of people or, again, should the special services be present here some countries also need a lot of explosives, for sure. but it is necessary to equip special people , well, that’s how we repeatedly pointed out in the studies of the strategy 21 center about the suspicious military activity of the russian side right in the completion zone of the northern stream-2 in the 22nd year, when in the 21st year , i apologize, when was the final stage of the completion, and suddenly in this zone there are ships that have the corresponding

equipping the appropriate equipment for conducting deep-sea work, and what is most telling is that those who were on this ship were not entered in a special register and belonged to the e-e special units of the baltic fleet , whose competence is precisely the introduction of sabotage works. that is why it is not taken into account attention i repeat, this was in the 21st year, that is, a reconnaissance operation was carried out for the purpose of certain locations at the time when the need arose. well, it is clear that the need arose somewhat later, but let's remember that the 21st year was the year when russia began to dry up the european gas market by reducing the supply of gas to europe , primarily to germany, including the nord stream, let's first recall the epic with the siemens turbines, which suddenly for some reason

began to fail and when the same germans pointed out to the russians that it is technically impossible for the turbines to fail one by one, this is a priori absurd , however, if gazprom insisted on its way until the supply of gas to the first furnace flow stopped, that is, in principle, the absurdity of this hmm version regarding the failure of the siemens turbines and the lack of readiness there, they say that germany contributed to their repair. well, it was obvious , and of course for the european companies of gazprom's partners, this version was not convincing, and therefore the version was also rejected force majeure, when was the last time they worked ? there is 1 minute left, but what are the consequences for ukraine if we assume that the german investigation will officially press charges against the citizens of ukraine who did it or against the general ukrainian who could have done it? well, so far, nothing

it is indicated that they are ready to do this because it is about individual citizens who had passports of ukraine, what is important here is something else. in principle, an agreement was reached regarding the supply of the raketaurus missile to ukraine, and this is very embarrassing for russia, and it is trying to do everything to disrupt the implementation of such supplies, as well as the supply of german weapons and equipment to ukraine in general, and in this regard, efforts are being made, and here it is simply a supply. yes, because we know that the german government is hesitating on this issue thank you for your version for your analysis of the situation mykhailo gonchar ukrainian expert on international and energy security relations joined our broadcast morning with

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