[000:00:00;00] this is all the time. thank you for being with us. it was a great ether. goodbye tomorrow, the next program is the verdict of serhiy rudenko. meet and watch together. good evening. we are from ukraine . glory to ukraine. this is the verdict program. my name is serhiy rudenko. i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health today. the only weapon zelensky allows negotiations on crimea, but under what conditions is the position of defense minister at stake ?

the liquidation of prigozhin and the leaders of bugner hid in his bunker, how long will the russian dictator be able to isolate himself from the world about all this and other things? our conversation for those who are currently watching us on youtube, i offer a poll . today we ask you about whether , according to you, president zelensky will overcome corruption. yes , no, and your option, please write in in the comments under this video, i invite to a conversation valentin nalyvaichenko, people's deputy of ukraine, former head of the security service of ukraine, valentina i congratulate you and i am glad to see you on our broadcast good evening glory to ukraine glory to the heroes let 's start a conversation about corruption because volodymyr zelenskyi said that in during wartime, he is going to equate corruption with

treason, the relevant bill should be submitted to the verkhovna rada of ukraine this week, what did zelenskyi say, we will hear and see now, i have set a task and the legislation will be proposed to the legislature and legislature of ukraine, we will propose its proposals regarding the equating of corruption with treason during wartime. of course, i understand that such a weapon cannot be used permanently in society, but during wartime, i think it will help, is it supported by the legislator? i do not know, but for sure i already suggest because we are developing a democratic society and it is very important not to twist the nuts and not to look at every time and at one or another sharp and blatant case we must introduce systemic things p valentin

do you agree with president zelenskyi and what else is missing? because it seems to me that the article for corruption is in excess of 10 years, if i am not mistaken , it is so, and i will say that it is clear where such a position comes from, it is not new, uh, golda meyer alone founding leaders in israel at one time, it clearly stated that equate corruption with treason and destroy it. then you will be successful. as a state , this also applied to the state of israel. not less and no more and the aggressor really needs to be harshly attacked and destroyed, the only thing that needs to be clearly and i can name our tv viewers is to name the cause of corruption and the cause of corruption because the fish is not the head and the personal responsibility of the heads of

the departments of the ministries of the deputies of all equals and is the main tool in my opinion in order to eradicate corruption, the responsibility that should be, it is necessary to strengthen the terms of punishment , it is necessary to strengthen the confiscation of all property and the search for the return of all stolen money from ukraine to the ukrainian budget for the armed forces of ukraine during martial law, after the end of the war, simply to the budget of ukraine, then offshores, every minister, deputies, and so on , who have offshore offshores are convinced that the legislation should oblige and confiscate all these accounts and return them to the accounts of the armed forces of ukraine and those who criticize me i suggest always an example, for example, well, the general already suffocated handed over to the armed forces when one of our elderly ukrainians from the diaspora handed him a rather significant amount of money as a

bequest, why our offshores. handed over to that instrument for eradicating corruption, especially on the mountain, it is enough that i will support in the parliament the strengthening of punishment, the strengthening of responsibility, together with the strengthening of the mechanisms for the confiscation of all corrupt e property, funds, and so on according to the bill that the mass media are currently writing about, and the case will be transferred to the security service of ukraine and if this will happen, what will it mean for the corrupt and what will it mean for the current government, you know . i think that this will not happen directly. i think that today, for example, we worked with by our canadian and american partners, i mean we in the verkhovna rada and i can say that the joint position together with our international partners will be precisely

the strengthening of the capacity of the nearest anti-corruption court of the nazk and the specialized anti-corruption prosecutor's office. i named four key bodies in the fight to eradicate corruption in ukraine i believe as a professional that it is necessary to strengthen the capacity of those bodies , we will receive them. we ukrainians pay taxes, they are professionally supported by our international partners, especially the us department of justice with huge possibilities. the question is to provide the legislation with more capacity and more punitive punishment for corruption crimes, especially crimes of persons authorized to carry out the functions of the state, it is easier for top officials, it is easier for top deputies , it is easier for the fish not to rot from the head. punishment can and should

be introduced in the state to run transparency and more reporting, but citizens after work or fighters on the front lines should not think about whether were there winter jackets or summer jackets? did the ministry of defense import them or not? everything must be extremely transparent , accountable and displayed on transparent resources. the state and it is we who rob or the corrupt person who robs none other than our defenders, for this it is necessary not only, you know, a state traitor or not from the state morning, to drive out of office immediately , to arrest, to confiscate everything that is on accounts, especially on offshore ones, mr. valentin, i have been watching the fight against corruption and organized crime for 30 years as a political commentator. in 1994, leonid kuchma

came to power, and one of the first programs to fight corruption and organized crime was from kuchma, then in 2000 he renewed this program, and then all the presidents tried to fight corruption, that is, we had six or six presidents and all six fought against corruption , but corruption was never defeated in ukraine, for this we need an additional political will or under the conditions well, for example, mono government, because we now have mono government, and if there is mono government, then it means logically that if there is corruption in the state, all corruption in principle is probably controlled by one political force, and here is the question. the question of legal responsibility. you are right , you make the right conclusions as a journalist, but i, as a professional, let's explain a little further that it is the personal

responsibility of the heads of ministries , departments and all top officials of all personal responsibility, what will this mean for the fight against corruption, this is your responsibility, one fact of corruption was discovered in you, you must be fired immediately and not just fired , you know, and went to work as a lawyer or a lawyer's assistant. did he go abroad to the maldives? an investigation must be started immediately, and that is why i mentioned that. it is necessary to strengthen the capacity of the anti-corruption bureau of ukraine , to acquire the capacity means to immediately detain such a top official or deputy , interrogate lie detectors, how much do we say that they should be introduced in the authorities for integrity checks, and in both the executive and the legislative and further correctly in the court, all three branches of government should be checked in all those who take up positions through

the lie detector for involvement or not involvement in corruption offenses, this statement of zelenskyi and in general, we are now talking about scandals in the ministry of defense it so happened that over the past year , the ministry of defense of ukraine has quite often been caught up in various scandals, now scandals over the purchase of summer jackets that were apparently presented as winter jackets, but let's see now a fragment just a few minutes ago, varschikov spoke and told, showed these jackets and said that they are completely winter and that 140,000 soldiers were dressed in these jackets that were purchased in turkey and there are no questions, please show a small fragment and pants, see how it looks, see how it looks in winter and now i will tell you, and then the revolution, which area is white, oh, for old

clothes, if you look, if you look , all the letters are online store n there was a very bad sound, but the sense is that the minister of defense begins to prove that the journalist who wrote and conducted an investigation that the jackets there are not like that, the people's deputy of ukraine who made public some details of this purchase of jackets in turkey, that they are not wrong, before this the minister of defense says, i make a bet that if you are not right, then the journalists' hands are not holds her position and does not write about e-corruption and generally goes from journalism. does the deputy make up the parliamentary mandate

? worked because he wrote something about corruption in the ministry of defense, was there anything wrong with this series of scandals involving the ministry of defense, after all, the first person should have acted in a european manner, first he writes a statement about and removal from office, then when the investigation is conducted , a conclusion is drawn whether he will continue to work or it won't be like that, in european, it should be in ukrainian during the war, absolutely more than that, you know the approaches , these types of copperfield, here is a jacket like this, here is a jacket-seka, well, he distracts our attention from the main thing, not about this or that jacket we are talking about the hundreds of thousands of millions of dollars that ukraine paid for our defenders, and this corruption turned out to be completely accidental and it is not the jackets that should be shown there, but let the leadership of the ministry of defense explain first of all why the car that was transporting

these jackets for the armed forces of ukraine from turkey through moldova is in customs the documents from turkey indicated the amount of 27,000 half dollars, and they declared $385,000 at the ukrainian customs. serhiy well, in this case, the question is more than 10 times different in price, and in the direction of stealing from corrupt officials i will repeat the approach to david copperfield, and there i will say that in the legislation of ukraine, we have already seriously introduced a legal norm precisely about the presumption of guilt of every official , deputy and minister. and find out all the details of a possible

corruption offense, especially during the war, especially to the ministry of defense, and thirdly, i am firmly on the side of journalists and those whistleblowers of corruption who expose such facts and this already repeats the backpack of the minister or anyone else . only in one way. but we don’t have a dead man, so in this situation it is necessary to understand that they are not robbing the armed forces, and the people of ukraine, who collect money for, including , paying taxes for the purchase, and that they are

they simply take the lives of some people. because they, in principle, put part of the money in their pockets in 2016, when a whole package of anti-corruption laws was passed, including the creation of various structures of the anti-corruption court, that is, the entire anti-corruption infrastructure, they said that it would work perfectly in ukraine , there is no better anti-corruption system than ours in any european country . so why exactly, despite the fact that we have an ideal anti-corruption structure , such cases do happen, i will say that in reality we now have a body that is really strong and has begun to act. it is the highest anti-corruption court of ukraine. this is the case with regard to the nabu specialized anti-corruption prosecutor's office, that is , other anti-corruption bodies, detective , operative and preventive, which should

work and prosecutors if we talk about the special anti-corruption prosecutor's office , i have already said and i confirm to sergey that we are working with our american partners and we are ready to strengthen their capacity in the parliaments . right now in the united states of america in the heads of most of these anti-corruption institutions of ukraine are in washington. why? in order to receive additional expert and other technical support , if necessary, trainings, if necessary, from the fbi , the us department of justice, in order to be more effective here in the country, but i understand and responsibly say that such bodies how will the specialized anti-corruption prosecutor's office of ukraine become more effective when it will not be tolerated, apologize, corruption is on the mountain top corruption top corruptor and there is an internal the aggressor of ukraine and is the biggest threat to ukraine well, to close this topic

according to your opinion, should it be different when you resign in my opinion it should be opened immediately anti-corruption investigation should be checked, including a lie detector and i and the whole society, we all we want to hear the answer of what nabu and nazk and other anti-corruption bodies will say, what will such an inspection say , moreover, there are military inspectors who are directly subordinate to the president of ukraine. i think that he has already instructed or instructed precisely his military inspectors to independently conduct an inspection and this is normal during the war to check and control military supplies military purchases thank you mr. valentin i will remind our viewers why we work live on the espresso tv channel as well as on our social platforms on youtube and facebook if you are on youtube and facebook put like our video, vote in our survey, today we ask you

whether zelensky will overcome corruption, yes, no, or your option is in the comments under this video , next, next, valentina, about prigozhina, investigator the committee of the so-called e-e of russia, based on the results of the dna examination, confirmed the death of prigozhin, and e-e, the investigative committee says that they have established the identities of all those who were on board the plane that exploded in the sky between moscow and st. petersburg, we will hear from the spokeswoman, we are investigating svitlana petrenko as part of a criminal case the crash of planes in the tver region , molecular genetic experts have completed their results, the identities of all ten victims have been established, they correspond to the list stated in valentine's flight certificate , the murder of prigozhina, this is a public execution

attached, what does this mean for russia, what does this mean for the world, does it mean that putin gave an order to his military special services, i think that the western press has already reported that this mouth was performed by one of the most important generals, he was named by the british press as russian gru organized this the liquidation and not only the beauty but also the second ringleader who was not a fratman , that is, he did not shine, but was really influential and connected seriously connected in russian criminality, his surname seems to be utkin . well, at the same time, everyone who was on board for of the russian regime, you know how they paid less attention to it, what does it mean, what does it mean, what does it mean, you and i can see everything, we can see everything , and the universe shows us the first thing that means that what is next for wagner, as i predicted the end of putin and his and his regime, closes it, eliminates it,

destroys and those who else is ready to kill the mercenaries of prigozhin ? torture in the asphalt of all the beauties and mercenaries whom he dragged in whom the ukrainian armed forces liquidated, simply put, destroyed liquidate that how many so-called wagnerites actually died 40,000 45 now no one knows because the company left in russia remember the cemetery where they used to stand before things, crosses on some of the largest of these graves, despite the crosses, these graves are burned, i am convinced that in this way the russian federation

, the russian leadership hides the traces of the crime , such as the number of dead vagne-rivets and mercenaries to whom they promised when they were taken from prison, this is not what they promised them a pardon, some kind of life flowed there and so on, no, instead of this, firstly, they are in the ground , secondly, the second time, some of them are hiding the number and causes of death, then who exactly is in these graves even those that were organized all over russia, that it is not known whether it was shaved or ducked. no one carried out identification, and the russian relatives were not interested in this, and they liquidated the cemetery and even the graves, and the last one. i think that in addition to the consequences i have mentioned, the third consequence is gold, diamonds and other things, what did the mercenaries in the terrorist organization profit from. wagner will gradually pass to the russian military leadership to

the russian goddess, and this is the main economic on the liquidation of prigozhin and utkin and other leaders of the banner. and this is not the end. there will be more purges of mercenaries and terrorists close to prigozhin and utkin from the wamner terrorist organization on the day when the plane in which prigozhin and utkin were flying was released and they were killed in this plane by the forces of surovikin, the propagandists in solovyov's studio discussed this topic, a small fragment is worth watching because it is similar and they are beginning to understand what is happening in russia, for the fullness of the picture, here are these types of people in my language , but not khvatalovych, so that the suroviks, which are one fact, are dead, and i am not looking for them in this case

you have to be very careful now , you have to be very careful, they won't do it , but they won't try to solve all the puzzles. казать смотреть well, it's not clear who they will do, but judging by what's happening, it's obvious that we can state that russia has returned to the eyes of the brigade in the 90s, and the brigade is big in power, and it actually decides among itself who will live and who won't will live because prigozhin was a person close to putin and putin talked about the fact that in the 90s he married prigozhin, he knew very well when i was engaged in the restaurant business in st. petersburg and that in general he was a good person, but he tried to shoot another

the shooting down of a civilian ship in the air of the russian federation because they actually shot down this plane or landed it in the air. doesn't this plane remind you of the story of the mh17 in donbas because they used to do it on the territory of ukraine and now they are doing it on the territory of the russian federation, why do you think the world is faster discusses the motives of the murder of prigozhin rather than condemning the fact that a civilian ship, a civilian plane was landed in the air, this is an act of terrorism , obviously within russia, the shooting down of the newlywed gubkin and others who were on boarding and destruction of the plane between moscow and st. petersburg, think about it, you know if you just name the cities between which the second one was shot down - on july 17, 2014, then russia pulled a buk-m1 from it into the temporarily occupied territories, the russian military shot down the passenger plane, wrong. which plane did they target then?

made public, in fact, their first target was the aeroflok plane in order to then blame ukraine and create the belli case , that is, a pretext for a full-scale invasion , but as always, the russian moyanchyna is up to no good, the truth is that they the malaysian fighters were hit but they were hit, it was their terrorist attack committed by the russian military, more about returning to the murder and shooting down of the beautiful jet plane that flew between moscow and st. petersburg, it is the 90s, it is already 2023, and even for russian domestic terrorism - this is a new page in quotes, of course, but new page - this is inside the russian federation by the russian military with the s300 or s400, it will also surface quite soon , a civilian was actually shot down, the plane was actually a civilian, there were terrorists and

murderers but none the less, it was the russian military themselves in their own sky on their own territory who shot down this plane, killed 10 people on board, this is a new page, and that is why the propagandists are also scared. and the russian oligarchs are even more scared, because there are others who still have private planes or planes left they now understand that it's not just your page, it's a new chapter, it's just that on the first page of this internal terrorism and the shooting down of military missiles by the russian military in the russian sky between moscow and petersburg, this is only the first as who will be second third tenth time will tell this is what it really means and this is why the propagandists tremble so much even on the airwaves after prigozhin and utkin were liquidated , the question arose a lot about what will happen next with this semi-criminal organization called wagner. it is clear that they did the actual dirty work, they are part of it those who

sat in prisons and who could potentially join some internal clashes within the russian federation, they were disposed of in ukraine, they performed tasks in ukraine, in syria, in africa now now the biggest problem for the western countries is the stay of part of wagner in belarus, the heads of the ministry of internal affairs of poland, lithuania, latvia and estonia demanded from minsk that the group immediately leave the territory of belarus and also that the belarusian authorities remove the migrants from the border zone, can this happen, valentine , so that the group wagner will go to the west of the border, and putin will spread his hands and say, listen, i don't know what kind of group this is, because it is not legally registered. the leader of the group the leader of the group died in the plane

of a private military campaign also died in a plane or did they go to that slovak corridor i don't know why they went to the baltic countries i don't know why they went to poland could it be uh as a provocation used as a provocation very unlikely that now it will be so because the leaders and leaders of this terrorist organization have been destroyed, it is not a group , it is a terrorist organization called wagner, it is the first, the second, inside the remnants and those that are under the scree in the summer camp , lukashenko placed five or six of them, maybe during that time, more of the same wagners have arrived, now they are running away, returning to russia. and the main thing is that they understand that there will be no more money, gold, diamonds, for the murders of people , their commanders will receive first of all. well, they were

paid hundreds of billions from the russian budget, pay attention. by the way , what even putin's press secretary turned around and said, refuting his boss, no, no , the russian federation financed wagner from the budget, they have already lied and are desperately looking for guests. they mean the leadership of russia, they are looking for opportunities finally bury wagner, roll it into asphalt, burn it, disperse it as you like, but it is putin, the russian leadership, after the so-called prigozhina march, more than anything inside russia , they were and are afraid of wagner. that is why my prediction is that they will be the russian leadership and putin personally will eliminate it. let them gradually but eliminate this terrorist organization, i have already said and confirm that the economic basis for the existence of this terrorist organization is the first thing that

the russian generals are now taking upon themselves and therefore, there will be no economic opportunity to continue to exist in the form in which it was branched out, this is a terrorist organization from syria and mali to bakhmut and ukraine. thank you, mr. valentin, for the conversation. on the live broadcast of the espresso tv channel, as well as ours on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us on youtube, you can take part in our survey. today we ask you about whether volodymyr will overcome zelenskyi corruption is a fairly simple question and it is related to zelenskyi's statements that he will submit a draft law to the verkhovna rada of ukraine that will define corruption , committing corruption during the war as