[000:00:00;00] er, and the same bridges are the crimean bridge and the bridges that connect kherson and the kherson region with the crimean peninsula . it is also necessary to ask in a mirror image before and after that when the enemy was faced with the choice that when we forced ingulets went in the direction of davydav- fords began to advance the enemy, the enemy group was faced with a choice, let's say, to continue to engage in politics, shout the character or save the group and throw it to the left bank, and than in politics, they chose to save their troops and forgot kherson kherson with us forever when we entered kherson it was liberated we saw all this too returning there to the native harbor all that is why the armed forces of ukraine forced the russians to give up political decisions and tell us to choose logical decisions regarding the carpathian direction i believe

that the if we do what i said before about the crimea, it can force the russians to give up those crimeas of ours, if everything is done correctly and everything is between politics and common sense, it is still a choice of defeat er, common sense that will help them save their army and those people who do not want to stay and live in crimea, consider themselves russian, take their things because they need it , please, in russia, and we will build, let's say rebuild there, that it is something that they lost well, roughly like do you think that in the event of a successful advance of the ukrainian military to crimea , will russia abandon other areas of the front in order to strengthen this direction?

to bring forces here to the south of the zaporizhzhia region is difficult to talk about. i don't know yet what plans the russians will have, what their priorities will be, of course. they can refuse although they are in the constitution but crimea is putin's business card directly, but i think that they will stand up for him the most, but this is war. i say once again that sometimes our military actions force russians to regroup, gestures of kindness whether crimea will be the first, whether there is good will or there after donbas, it is difficult to say now, because now on all fronts, well, on the entire length of the front, there are battles now, it is quite difficult to predict something far away, so it is quite difficult , so i say once again, and our entire counteroffensive has come to that that we went to let's say we reached the surovikin line for well all this time how long there and two months we are carrying out counteroffensive actions because it is quite difficult the terrain is quite difficult the enemy is quite serious therefore now to say that we have already

gone there to these we can talk about the liberation of crimea will certainly be a prospect. and i think that just then when we leave, we will understand what our partners think. what resources do our partners give us , what do the russians think? what resources do the russians have? did they make crimea an island? all these things will affect how we will liberate it. you mentioned resources and opportunities. i want to mention the director of the institute for the study of war, jack keen. institute, and now his column in the wolseley journal entitled let the ukrainians fight as they want, he mentions the reproaches heard by american officials against the military leadership of ukraine, saying that the counteroffensive is not so successful, and that the armed forces of ukraine are focusing on different directions instead of ensure a breakthrough to melitopol we talked a lot about this in previous issues and here he actually writes about the fact that such establishments and baseless apparatuses are military power -

is this a quote or is this a different vision counter ukraine feels the offensive and results in military support and will it be able to feel it in the future, in your opinion , or could it become a threat to the vision of our partners, it is important especially for the official uh-uh official lit who are and we them i think our command and uh the government first of all explains why is that? you know, there may be some advice here, but who among our partners took part in a war like this in their lifetime? no one before that . it was the second world war. well, of course , most of those in power don't remember anymore. and that's why it's the biggest war in history in general, which is going on here in ukraine and no one has ever put in such a mini field, no one has ever worked with such an amount of artillery with such uh troops. that's why it's quite difficult, that's

why we can take advice, but i'll say so there are no standards counteroffensive because there has never been such a war yet these are the standards they are writing now if we advance to you so that means yes it is possible this is the maximum speed with which we advance because well if they told us that look, yesterday there was such a war and we advanced there at a speed of 20 there km/h - it's one thing if it hasn't happened before and someone sits and says, well, somewhere we've calculated that it's possible to be faster. well, then try everything faster on visible fields. we've seen such shots when our guys are walking and fall into mini fields, well, we have to understand that we're going since we can, the most important thing is for society to understand that it is impossible to relax in any case, and we still have a long way to go to crimea and even to melitopol, romana began. thank you very much for taking the time to join the broadcast . roman kostenko, people's deputy of the faction voice, a member of the defense committee was in direct contact with us, thank you, to equate corruption with treason, such an initiative was voiced

in an interview with natalia moseichuk, president volodymyr zelenskyi, according to him, intends to submit a draft law on equating corruption with treason during wartime to the verkhovna rada in the near future at the same time, he added that he is not certain that the people's deputies support such an initiative. if you want to fight let's say the local cobblestones, i cannot fight with the cobblestones of every city. there is a fundamental solution to them. i draw attention for example, corruption. i have set a task and legislation to the legislation and legislator of ukraine. we will offer its proposals on equating corruption with treason in wartime. it is very important not to twist the nuts and not to look at every time and at one or another egregious case . we must introduce systemic

things, and i think that in the coming week and beyond, everything is on the side of the parliament, but the edition of the mirror of the week, with reference to sources in the president's office, writes what exactly the draft law can be about for them according to the information, initially the changes that they wanted to make to the legislation provided that all corruption cases that are investigated in the field of national security and exceed uah 24 million should be investigated by the security services of ukraine , everything less than this amount remains in the nabu , however, later this idea was abandoned due to the possible indignation of western partners and currently, according to the source of the publication, it is about the fact that you take away the right to conduct not to take away from nabu, more precisely, to conduct large anti-corruption investigations. and about granting the same rights to the security service of ukraine well, it is supposed to be decided by the general prosecutor who will take on the case, while at the same time in

the anti-corruption center they believe that such steps will mean the collapse of the entire anti- corruption system. in touch with us and then i congratulate you good evening and why do you think these are the initiatives of the president that carry threats. what risks are hidden there? there is a huge risk of encroachment on exclusive jurisdiction of the national anti-corruption bureau, in simple language, this means giving the security service of ukraine the right to conduct parallel investigations on any case, which i will clarify . and where does the information that this is an initiative of tatarov come from, because it is directly his responsibility to be responsible for the legislative ministers of the president of ukraine, which are related to anti-corruption, which

are related to the activities of law enforcement agencies, these are the first and second - this is also known from our sources, and here are all the risks that you listed. and in your opinion, will there be a reaction from western partners in general, this is such an initiative, does it not contradict the requirements of the western partners regarding the anti-corruption reform in general? maybe they have already voiced some warnings. i think they are still studying this idea. they haven't seen the bill yet, but i am convinced that the reaction will be harsh. the reaction will be harsh and not public at first . and then if there was no appropriate reaction from the president and his office, there will be a public reaction, and unfortunately this reaction may be reflected in our cooperation with the international monetary fund by the european union because both institutions over the past 10 years have invested politically in guaranteeing

the independence of anti-corruption bodies, including through this exclusive jurisdiction, and when the legislator and the president will try to legalize encroachment on exclusive jurisdiction , this will directly contradict our previous obligations. and of course the government will try to justify it by saying that we are at war, these are wartime laws, but the anti-corruption e-e infrastructure is quite sufficient in order to to hold accountable for top corruption what the president should do is to punish and bring to political responsibility those officials who are involved in corruption and that is why for me personally and for our organization it is such a marker of the president's sincere desire to fight corruption the first priority will be the dismissal of oleg tatarov from the position of the key

person responsible in the office of the president for the work of law enforcement agencies of the judicial system and for combating corruption, because this person already had suspicions that this person was involved in illegal activities regarding the embezzlement of funds for the construction of national guard apartments. this person should no longer work in a less important responsible position during military operations. the second political responsibility to which the president should be held concerns the minister of defense oleksiy reznikov, who is currently in charge of the main the defense budget of ukraine, which is responsible for the purchase of all the weapons of our state, which is responsible for the procurement and er-e equipping er-e food and other non-lethal equipment of our army, and recently, investigative journalists simply

every day they have evidence of how certain relatives of people's deputies, servants of the people, profit from these purchases, how jackets are bought, no longer eggs, now jackets mystically turn from summer to winter, from $35 per jacket to $86 per jacket on on the way from turkey to ukraine, that is, we see all this as the tip of a huge iceberg of what is happening under the veil of state secrecy and in the ministry of defense, unfortunately , unfortunately, this is happening and the president is obliged to react and fire such a minister of defense, daria mysh, we will definitely return to this issue regarding the activities of the ministry of defense, purchases, directly, mr. reznikov, but just now i want to add to our conversation , the representative of the president in the verkhovna rada , the fedirvenislavsk people's deputy from the servant of the people faction and a member of the committee on of national security, defense and intelligence. and as

i already said, the representative of the president in the verkhovna rada ms. fedorova. good evening , thank you for joining. i congratulate you. i am talking about the initiative of the president to equalize corruption to treason, did you know about such an initiative in the verkhovna rada before we heard about it in the interview? and actually, what do you think of this initiative? according to my information , there are no relevant legislative initiatives in the parliament, this was really expressed in an interview with your colleagues by the president of ukraine what in the conditions of martial law, corrupt actions must be equated with treason, but in my opinion, from a legal point of view, we can talk about conditional conditional allegories of comparison, because according to the criminal

code, it is considered corrupt offenses are unreliable declaration or failure to submit a declaration, the president meant, well, 100% it was something else - this is when a person uses his official position , a state official somehow illegally enriches himself from lozov, is an influence, receives some preferences thanks to his relative and it has a higher position or status with other people, so it is only about uh, well, in my opinion, it is about the fact that criminal sanctions of criminal articles that provide for responsibility precisely for such actions are illegal enrichment, there is an unlawful benefit or a promise or acceptance of an unlawful benefit. it should have stricter sanctions in the conditions of martial law, i.e. if we compare it with the same article 111 of the criminal code, then it can be a part of the qualification, which contains qualifying features

er, up to life imprisonment, mr. fedorova, we are talking about the fact that there is already information about the fact that allegedly part of the powers that we are currently taking care of, if it is more than 24 million, will be taken care of by the sbu and here is daria kalyniuk. and she is also now in touch with us. she says that in the anti-corruption center, they say that there are huge risks. in this way, you can deprive us of certain powers and give them to the sbu. and this is actually a structure that is under the control of the president. you can respond to such measures well, i would not like to discuss in any way when we do not know the subjects of the discussion at all, er, there is no legislative initiative to date , there are guesses of these or other experts that this is true if it is a question of comparison to of treason, since treason is the investigation of the security services of ukraine, the president allegedly meant that the investigation

of corruption offenses should also be transferred to the security services of ukraine. editorials are truer to the law of ukraine about the security service of ukraine and there the position of the committee the position of all people's deputies practically regardless of party affiliation unequivocally the security service of ukraine does not engage in corruption she should deal with issues of state security and national security, that is, she should investigate those crimes that harm the statehood itself, that is , espionage, treason, or collaborationism, etc., and so on. and what do you say about what mr. fedor says? meant by the president, it can be implemented in the relevant amendments to the criminal procedure code when it will be a punishment for exceeding conditional official powers, an unreliable declaration, will it work or does it not carry risks, increasing

the punishment for corruption crimes is not a threat but the threat is the possibility of transferring responsibility from the specialized anti-corruption bodies to the security service of ukraine, and according to our sources, what did the president mean, we will see the usual one in the draft law that will be registered, then we will discuss it, but since the wording itself, corruption must be equated to of high treason, as mr. fedir said, somehow assumes that corruption during martial law moves into the status of high treason from the legal point of view, so this is high treason of the officialdom of the security service of ukraine, that is why i did not talk about the fact that corruption offenses are distorted in the section on state crimes against statehood, i am talking exclusively about the fact that, in my opinion , when we talk about equating corruption

with treason, it is a certain allegory that suggests that such actions in the conditions of martial law, the same responsibility should apply as for treason , we will see, responsibility should apply for corruption crimes if it remains under the jurisdiction of specialized anti-corruption bodies. this responsibility will be violated, then we can forget about an independent and impartial investigation of top corruption in ukraine, but actually we are talking about what the president promised for a week when he sees the bill in the verkhovna rada of the fed , maybe you know who is drafting this bill, who is writing it, the president's initiative, then the president's in the office of the president there are relevant services, such as the legal service and the service of law enforcement agencies. i think that there are enough specialists there who can write out the initiative that i voiced in this case president, but i completely agree with you. by the way, what can we say about

the transfer of such crimes after the security service of ukraine, well, in my opinion, it is subjective - this is absolutely wrong, the wrong way, and we will know in the parliament that there are options between the first and second read and discuss, and in order for the draft law to enter into law, it is necessary to recruit the majority of pensioners, which means that there must be a certain compromise on these issues, gentlemen, then let's talk about punishment. we have a lot we are saying that the punishment is exactly what the president had in mind, so that he announced in his interview that the punishment should be more severe, here it is said that treason, the term is not longer, and it is impossible to release the suspect on bail, and this does not seem like such a bad initiative in wartime. is it possible to strengthen responsibility for corruption without transferring the relevant powers to the security service of ukraine or any other department daria of course there are such opportunities and first of all these

problems are solved with a few technical tricks in criminal procedure code e-e which e-e remove e-e terms e-e statutes of limitations that are currently limited to anti-corruption bodies in the investigation of e-e corruption crimes because from the moment of the investigation there is a certain period issued by the law enforcement body in order for them to e they completed this case, it seems like two months, and once such deadlines were introduced due to the so-called amendments of the lozov people's deputy. unfortunately, these unrealistic deadlines for an impartial investigation of top corruption , such intellectual corruption, have not remained and now they should be removed, and the second initiative in the national anti-corruption bureau should be separate experts, because now there is a deluge of corruption cases, where there are losses for the state in the hundreds of millions of billions

of hryvnias, they cannot be brought to court until the expert institution does not have to losses and, unfortunately, these expert institutions, by the way, are located in some other law enforcement agencies or in state expert institutions that are also controlled . due to political influence, it is therefore very important for us to create a separate such within the expert e-e institution needs to return the e-declaration now, oh, in my opinion, the main and most obvious task is to make this e-declaration public. now , unfortunately, all articles of the criminal code regarding lying in e-declarations do not apply because starting from 2021, that is, the declarations for 2021 the year 2022 will not be submitted by civil servants

, including top officials , now in the parliament there is a bill voted in the first reading. electronic declaration, there is a lot of opposition among people's deputies regarding the possibility of completely returning the publication of the declaration, some deputies want to remove the need to declare third parties , and all these holes need to be patched, we are very carefully monitoring gas stations and their authors. what kind of people's deputies are trying to simply restore declarations, but actually leave a lot of holes there, sir? and what do you say about why it is not possible to increase the pressure and punishment for corrupt people with the same nubu? having given more powers well, what fate do you predict for this a-a law regarding the restoration of declaration well, i answered your question at the beginning of our interview

, by and large, he asks what the equation with treason means, first of all, the possibility of harsher terms of punishment or more strict sanctions of criminal articles that provide , respectively, the responsibility about which we are talking about the force went to the elections in the 19th year, it was precisely the strengthening of responsibility for corruption offenses for er illegal enrichment, but our international experts at that time said that well, in peacetime, let's say relatively peaceful time, since it is really going on in the 14th year a tougher punishment for precisely such offenses is criminal , it is disproportionate. that is why we abandoned this idea, since, say , life imprisonment for receiving unlawful gain-rewarding benefits in particularly large

amounts, in my opinion, would be enough an effective means of countering such evil, but international experts told me that this is not a proportional punishment. as for the return of the electronic declaration, i am in favor of it with both hands, so that we really return it, and here the data given by ms. daria absolutely correctly points out that there is a sufficient number of people of deputies who are probably extrapolating the situation with the declaration onto themselves is somehow trying to find various detours in order to allegedly fulfill the recommendation on the one hand and adhere to our course for membership in the european union, on the other hand, we should not put ourselves in a position that would later force us to bear responsibility if certain politicians have some unjustified income, so here i think we will find a consensus because everyone in the parliament are supporters of the euro-atlantic european course of ukraine. i think that we will adopt it in well , let's say in the month of september, i have a feeling that this law will be adopted in the second

reading as a whole and it will come into force in the near future. we will record this moment well and let's move on to the case of the ministry of defense. we wanted to talk about this, but daria, you are talking again about jackets that were supposedly winter or summer and became winter jackets. today we had a statement from the public council of the anti-corruption council about the ministry of defense , which confirmed that the jackets were like winter ones. does this fact remove all questions about the corruption component in this er, in this case , because now i still see such a certain shift of focus from winter to summer issues . here now the main question regarding these purchases with jackets and several problems, first of all, no, minister reznikov, they are, er, representatives of the anti-corruption council, er, at the ministry of defense, did not show the winter jacket from this

batch a, about which, er, journalists wrote - investigators er the batch for which 30 plus dollars was paid first and then er in turkey and then this batch suddenly became er for 86 $, er we do not see confirmation of the jacket on this particular batch whether it is summer or winter there this is the first, but not the main, main thing that no one really explained to us at the ministry of defense how did it happen that the price of these jackets increased almost threefold on the way from turkey to ukraine for these jackets and secondly - neither the minister of defense nor the people's deputy whose relative was a beneficiary of the company that sold the jackets they don't see any problems in the fact that the relatives of the people's deputies from the committee. by the way

, this committee is also on security and defense issues . that the relatives of such people's deputies establish the companies through which they receive contracts from the ministry. defenses worth millions of dollars and these companies have none the relationship in general to the production of these jackets, there is a huge problem with this, of course, the focus is trying to displace a whole series of broken speakers, which, by the way , have not changed since the days of eggs for 17 hryvnias, and these people are spreading messages about the fact that everything was fine, winter jackets are not a problem to buy officials this is the russian ipso and the journalists broke in ukraine that ah just now the press conference of the minister

of defense has ended that we should we let you go? i want to ask you if the cashier from whom we mention in the framework of this investigation, which is your colleague, is not only a servant of the people in terms of the faction, but also in the defense committee, should he be suspended from work in the defense committee for the duration of the investigation what in general and how did his membership open up what potential opportunities in such purchases for his nephew and i am aware of the last question. i absolutely do not deny that there are many problems in the activities of the ministry of defense in the field of defense procurement and e.e. tangible property and products food and armament, weapons, military equipment, ammunition, on which we will say yes, the committee constantly keeps its finger on the pulse. and by the way, very often at the meetings of the committee in closed mode, we usually ask very uncomfortable questions and receive answers to them. i personally was the initiator of the war at the beginning of several appeals to of the state bureau

of investigation regarding certain purchases, about which i cannot speak now due to the fact that all the information with limited access concerns the armament of the military technicians, that is, members of our committee constantly raise such questions, and precisely thanks to these circumstances, to talk about some preferences of dissidents of the committee. i think there is absolutely no reason, because it is even more likely the opposite, uh, some hypothetical requests that could be from committee members. they will definitely be very wary be perceived or would be perceived by the ministry of defense by the relevant officials who are very uncomfortable at the committee meeting to wait for the conclusions of the relevant bodies, because to accuse a colleague and call on him to leave the committee or to stop suspending his membership in