[000:00:00;00] a corrupt country, but we keep an eye on every dollar and every weapon. we continue to do our part. i am satisfied that the ukrainians are not profiting from the american people. they are helping the american people, and i believe that it is time for ukraine to take the next step established by democracy, which is to hold elections in 2024 in a radio broadcast on the occasion of ukraine's independence day , oleksiy danilov, secretary of the national security and defense council, said that holding elections in ukraine in 2024 is possible only if hostilities will end , it is possible when the hostilities will end . because during the war, holding elections is quite a difficult thing, because once again, this is about justice.

to hold elections in ukraine next year, we are talking to the guests freedom of the morning then we were joined by pavlo romanyuk, adviser on legal issues of the public network opora and olena shuliak , head of the party, servant of the people. greetings, ladies and gentlemen on our broadcast, thank you for joining and i will also ask you questions in turn, and because each of you has your own field of activity, and it is important for our viewers to understand what is the overall option for the development of today's event, mr. pavlovich , the first question for you. and what should be done in legal terms and technically, what changes should be made in order to legally hold elections during martial law, is it possible, what are the scenarios that we actually have. this is a difficult question, because if the war continues , elections are impossible, and not only because the law forbids it or the constitution of the state as by the way, both the aggressor and the aggressor are not married to humanitarian

law, they cannot endanger the lives and health of the civilian population, we are mobilizing them for the elections, that is why we, as a civil network , are a support when we talk about the illegal elections that russia organizes in the occupied territories we say that russia is deliberately risking the life and health of the civilian population in the occupied territories, which can be considered a war crime, and we are not. we are not like that . that is, we value the life of each of our citizens. security for these voters and definitely without observing democratic standards, therefore, if we talk about the status quo today, this general ban on holding elections , which is provided for by the law on the legal regime , martial law, it logically follows from the international covenant on civil and political rights, which allows for emergency situations, which include war, wax from international obligations in the field

of human rights, that is, limited electoral rights. dezo, in essence, when we talk about what concerns the powers of, for example, the parliament or of the president and er about their extension, i.e. postponing the elections, there are laws here with the goal of maintaining the pension system and this can justify the postponement of elections in exceptional situations such as war. exacerbate political conflicts when the country is engulfed by such an extraordinary event , that is why he just supports the words of the secretary of the national security council to him that as long as the war continues, as long as martial law continues, elections cannot be held, mr. and it is legally possible to do so, to make such changes so that it would be justified, so that it would be legal, well, look again, if we are talking about the constitution and the law, i already said

that the general prohibition and the holding of elections is indeed provided for in the law on the provisions of martial law and it logically follows from the articles 61 in chapter three of the constitution of ukraine, in particular in article 71, that elections to state authorities of local self-government are free and take place on the basis of generally equal direct suffrage. to make changes to the third section of the constitution, which a priori does not lead us in the right direction, because from the point of view of the constitution, if we speak so formally , it is possible to forget. today, we have a discussion among

constitutionalists, there is no direct prohibition in of the constitution, elections can be held, it is necessary to think about ensuring these standards provided for in section three. thank you for your position, ms. olena. do your fellow deputies support certain changes to ukrainian legislation in the context of elections, if they must be held? is there a consensus now on this issue, or is this issue being actively discussed phase, in particular, after this interview of volodymyr zelenskyi, after such a reaction that we and the usa received, which option is currently being considered. and i will say honestly that the interview of president volodymyr zelenskyi and the statements of our politicians are so different from different authorities, they are not talking about the fact that the legislation needs to be changed, but about the fact that in the first place , after all, ensuring the freedoms and rights of our citizens, in the first place, of course, now ukraine is fighting for the fact that

democracy existed not only in ukraine, not only in europe, and in the world in general, therefore, for us, the holding of elections according to such honest, transparent democratic rules, they face such a huge task in order for everyone to realize when make appropriate changes to the legislation that we are discussing in the parliament, we understand very clearly today that almost 20% of our population, our ukrainians are from abroad, how to properly organize the work of this foreign district, how to organize whether it will be postal voting or online voting will these be additional polling stations? and this is just being discussed at the level of our specialized committee, this is being discussed in the working groups created by the central election commission because today we are all clearly aware that every ukrainian who is abroad may not be able to quickly return to ukraine

when it ends, when our victory comes, the war will end, but still , we must provide every ukrainian with equal voting rights, so for him there must be an appropriate infrastructure has been created where he can vote calmly and make his choice, and on the other hand, there is the issue of updating the voter register, everyone knows that on february 24 it was closed, and today it is not updated and without this up-to-date register, it is practically impossible to ensure a correct election process there, let's not forget that in the east of the country, in the south of the country, we have a destroyed electoral infrastructure, destroyed kindergartens, schools that previously served as such polling stations. therefore, you also need to think how will this infrastructure be replaced, or will it be some kind of... perhaps there will be pavilions or something

else where all these actions can take place directly... a lot of questions arise and regarding those territories that were under occupation, well, first of all, you need to understand. and will these appropriate criteria be created there at all, when it will be possible to hold elections in such territories, who will be the body that will determine a-and that is where the possibility or impossibility of holding such elections as in general, the terms of the temporary occupation will be taken into account, that is, there are a lot of issues related to these moments with security moments, also because it is necessary to understand both access to these territories and access to directly to your e-e voter, how to communicate, convey information, etc., there are many issues related to campaigning, campaigning, and so on, especially on the territory of other european countries, because today , by the way, our support partners are talking about it

, and there is no corresponding neither ukrainian nor european legislation, how or in what way to carry out such an agitation. and i will repeat myself there, 20% of our population today is precisely abroad. and i, personally, i personally do not see the possibility of carrying out elections during martial law, because how to ensure the electoral rights of our military, who are on the front line protecting our country, defending it from the enemy, and it will be very easy to explain where there is no need to explain , there is no need to simply do this when the military is fighting to conduct elections without the involvement of the military without the involvement of our defenders is simply simply not necessary to do this and this is categorically not possible, that is why in our conversations with partners when we talk about changes in legislation and we understand that they will be there a lot more technical various points, we call these changes not just there changes to the election code

, we call it like the legislation regarding the first post-war elections i think that a-ah we need to discuss at the level of experts at the level of our international partners at levels of lawyers who work in the field of electoral law, we need to discuss changes to the legislation because there will definitely be a victory, there will definitely be the first post-war elections, but now, in my opinion , elections should be held from the point of view of ensuring all rights and freedoms of democracy are impossible in ukraine. i also want to ask mr. if we are talking about preparations for the elections after the end of the war, do we need to prepare for this already, or maybe we need to prepare our partners for such assistance, but to say that money is needed , but for later and

is it possible to somehow prepare the country now? well, it is possible to repair the school there. it is clear that, unfortunately, a missile can hit the vodicesation there twice. after the end of martial law, the country will remain a-a hmm for military service in those territories for the de-occupied territories , including for the restoration of the constitutional order, an equally significant part of the citizens of the country of ukraine may remain abroad, therefore, for the maximum number of citizens, it is necessary to ensure the right vote, and besides , the war is not going on for the time being, and the longer the war lasts, it will destroy our electoral infrastructure, of course we need to think about the restoration

of the electoral infrastructure or at the legislative level, to provide for alternative places for voting today, by the way, this is also being discussed in the working groups, there are tents or tents or other light a-a structures where you can easily set up and place and conduct voting, but there are also issues of security and compliance e.e. electoral legislation and so on, and it is definitely an update of the register, moreover, i will tell you that the update of the register is important in itself. but in order for all the data to be entered correctly, today we need to talk about the audit of the register verification of the data that was entered during the existence of the state voter register, this audit was not conducted, and even the biggest challenge for the preservation of ukraine's statehood in general is trust in the first post-war elections. we must ensure its security by all possible democratic

means, including through an audit state voter register after all, this will complete our further advancement both in the european and the euro direction ms. elena why is this topic even raised at such a level? it was the president who reacted, then the answer went again, which is a call to western partners to help ukraine with money, as if the only question is whether the western partners know or there is any kind of communication with them. of the great war. is it purely politics , loud statements, i don’t know , playing on my audience, why these discussions exist in one way or another in ukrainian society, and not only in ukrainian society.

of course they know and moreover at the level of our specialized committee we cooperate very closely, for example for the sake of europe , we work with our partners such as which if as a support all others who a has such deep expertise in the field of conducting elections of course we know about all these challenges of course we analyze even the experience of such countries that faced something similar, this is croatia, this is bosnia, and hercegovina, but all international partners and ukrainian experts , we all recognize that such a challenge in the field there were no elections on the european continent at all during its existence. of course, we are trying to find the right ways to change the legislation in order to minimize every challenge associated with the first post-war elections and to find the right mode and the right mechanisms when these elections will be held in relation to statements but

it's difficult for me to comment on it. i think that we have our own task. we have our own job , which is to ensure a democratic, honest and transparent process of holding elections in ukraine after victories and we will do everything with maximum efficiency. olena, i correctly understand the position of the people, that today it is necessary to prepare for the post-war elections, but at the moment there are a lot of questions about how to conduct them in general. well, in principle, the parliament is not ready to make such decisions so that the elections take place during the military actions and there are certain problems that we already talked about there today, they need to be solved if the parliament if the cec if everyone can solve them very quickly together with our international european partners there

there is the largest number of our citizens who are abroad, because without their help it will be impossible to actually organize the work of the overseas district. these problems that exist today do not need to be studied , described, analyzed and find an effective solution , the problem is not when to hold elections , the problem is how to hold them in the most democratic, honest and transparent way, and we must fulfill this task. we cannot let down our own, our citizens, or international leaders. even more so, the military who are currently protecting democracy. the servant of the people joined this discussion and pavlo romanyuk, adviser on legal issues of the civil network opora

. he addressed the russian youth he spoke about the greatness of russia and urged not to forget about its heritage this event was an all-russian meeting with catholic youth held on august 25 at which the pontiff addressed the congregation via video link after the official speech, pope francis spoke about the russian emperors and great culture quote with this appeal , the moscow archdiocese of the roman catholic church published a video clip of the siberian catholic tv channel, you are the heirs of great russia, great russia, saints , rulers of great russia, peter i, catherine ii of that empire of the great, enlightened, great culture and great humanity, never give up this heritage, you are the heirs of the great mother russia, go and resist this and thank you, thank you for your way of being, for your

way of being russian, these words of the pope caused a reaction from the ukrainian ministry of foreign affairs, the spokesman of the department oleg and nikolenko stated that it is this imperialist propaganda that the kremlin justifies the killing of thousands of ukrainians and ukraine with this very imperialist propaganda, spiritual screeches and the need to save the great mothers of russia, the kremlin justifies the murders of thousands of ukrainians and ukraine, the destruction of hundreds of ukrainian cities and villages, it is very unfortunate that russian great-power ideas are the cause of russia's chronic aggressiveness, knowingly or unknowingly, the voice of the pope is heard , whose mission, in our understanding, is precisely to open the eyes of russian youth the ukrainian greek-catholic

church reacted to the destructive course of the current russian leadership, as well as to the appeal of the pontiff. they said that they were saddened to learn about the words of the pope of rome and e-e issued a statement regarding the words of pope francis, they told me that they are waiting for an explanation from the holy see, the words about the great russia of peter the great, catherine ii, are the empires of a great enlightened country of great culture and great humanity, the worst example of imperialism and extreme russian nationalism, there is a danger that these words can be perceived as support for the nationalism and imperialism that today became the cause of the war in ukraine, a war that brings death and destruction to our people every day, so far the vatican has not responded to this the situation, however, the official embassy of the vatican in ukraine made a statement the day before. on their website, they published an explanation of what i am quoting. pope francis is an opponent of imperialism . that is how his words should be interpreted . let's listen to a fragment according to some interpretations. pope francis allegedly called on young russian catholics to take an example from certain russian historical figures known

for their imperialist and expansionist ideas and actions that were carried out to the detriment of neighboring peoples , including the ukrainian people, this papal the representation strongly rejects the above-mentioned interpretations, since pope francis has never called for imperialist ideas, on the contrary, he is a staunch opponent and critic of any form of imperialism or colonialism in all nations and situations, the words of the roman pontiff from august 25 should be interpreted in the same light andriy andrushkiv, sergeant of the armed forces the master of divinity of the university of ukraine joined our broadcast. i congratulate you. i congratulate you. i congratulate you . i congratulate you. radio svoboda. thank you for joining. the statements of the pope and currently there are such posts that people are not surprised in the comments they write but as if but nevertheless important statements why did the pope speak about the descendants

of the great mother russia in your opinion why did he call on russian students not to refuse their heritage and at the same time mentioned peter i think that this is a problem of education and we mean the faithful of the catholic church, the greek catholic church, we would like the pope to have an understanding of culture and understanding of history such as we have ukrainians only have what ukrainian historians and researchers have, which we have in our oral tradition, which we pass on from generation to generation, but there is no such thing. and this is quite sad for the faithful of the valley church and the catholic church, even up to the various aggressive statements that you could read there in social networks and about which people write

already not the first day after the first text-by-text transcription of this meeting appeared, these pieces of answers to questions and also later when this is the video that you also aired today. it seems to me that there is no good understanding of what the russian empire is, what the leaders of the russian empire are for centuries, and what they did to the russian people and the russian empire on the territory of ukraine . since the times of the kings, the times of the emperors, and up to today or not , basically the same murder , looting, looting of genotypes, all the same, the pope doesn't want to understand something . well, if we talk about the spread or

tries to do it, you know there is such a practice, too. in conversations with terrorists, you have to please them in some way. and there are tools to free the hostages. you have to be kind to the terrorists, but then you have to do it. well, in private conversations and not give it the opportunity to go public, but i am not sure that this approach even if the pope i used it, it can work because there were, as i saw in the video, up to several hundred young people and roman catholics in st. petersburg and well, what are they doing in a year and a half, i don't see them going to rallies. i don't i see that they protested against the mobilization. i don't see russian catholics protesting against the war and their state will fix it and what the government of the russian federation is sending them to, that's why i

'm very surprised that the pope is still trying to somehow reach them, even though he should have already reached. quote a, which is less mentioned in the ukrainian media, but for example, on the vatican website, it was just singled out, it is an institution for russian youth to be sowers of reconciliation of small seeds that will not germinate now, the earth is frozen during the war, but will bloom during the coming spring. this was a quote. this is an important quote. what does it testify to? well, look, the pope has a very pro-profession understanding, based probably on pieces of the new testament, about the importance of reconciliation, forgiveness, and the fact that it gives a chance for the future, so there is, but only after repentance, that is, the russian federation, the russian people must first admit their guilt

and bear the punishment. that is, you pay us all the reparations, you ask for all the funds for the destroyed lives, for the destroyed infrastructure, for the names and our years of our life of the ukrainian people and only after a long period will come when the ukrainian people will be ready someday. somewhere in the future, in 100 years , there will be no more pope, neither me nor the people who were at the meeting with him, when they come to their transformation, maybe the ukrainian descendants will say okay, we forgive you now, but this it should not be the decision of the pope, it should not be the decision of the mozkovites , it should not be the decision of the young russian catholics, it is exclusively the decision of the ukrainian people, whether we forgive our murderers or whether we see their transformation or whether we see what they are

er, they gave it in order to balance the damage caused at least in some way and then we forgave them, it should be our decision and not the pope ’s. the future reconciliation of mr. andriyu , in summing up, addressed the head of the ugcc in a statement and said that there is an expectation from the holy see to explain the situation there what is your opinion, or will there be an explanation, what could it be ? well, you read it. just now, your colleagues also read the communiqués of the representative of the renovation church in ukraine and this is the effort. what, oh, you read the words incorrectly. understood, well camon from the text voiced by the pope, there is a clear enough understanding, and for this you do not need a translator from papal to human, from vatican to ukrainian, ah, well, this is a fairly clear understanding, i don’t think that

anything can be further explained here, i am still faithful of the greek-catholic church as a person who prays there in the service of god and for the pope, i also pray that the leader of our church, after all, god finally gave him reason and he began to act as the leader of his church, only his faithful , a small number of the russian federation, they part of the people who kill others faithful to his church, and well, all his efforts and those of the whole world should be aimed at stopping the murderers, stopping the gluttons, stopping the genocide by all possible means, and the easiest way is to put all our weapons on us so that we kill everyone who came to ukrainian land and here we need to forget this left-wing pacifism and have a clear understanding that only strong peoples and strong nations can be pacifists and humanists. as soon as we have this

possible weapon, we will destroy all possible support of all enemies , then we can embark on the path of humanism and pacifism in the attitude towards the russian federation until that moment, it is a matter of our survival and i would like the pope to understand this. explanation of the vatican embassy to the vatican in ukraine well, we are waiting to see if the holy see and i will really answer, will there be a discussion about this issue? i thank you for joining the broadcast . andrushkin, a sergeant of the armed forces of ukraine, master of divinity at the cube was a guest of svoboda ranok. thank you to all our viewers for being with us every day from 9:00 a.m. we together follow the events in ukraine and around ukraine . subscribe to radio svoboda in order not

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