[000:00:00;00] in this way, ukrainians must be lured back with pears, that is, it must be understood that until ukraine has an adequate level of processing, and we will trade raw materials with the civilized world, our income level will be low. that is, this is the first point that must be understood. the second point is when you and i we are discussing the question of how to return ukrainians to ukraine , this is actually the chance of the potion that you talked about, it really is a sufficiently high level of work, it is security, because as long as the war is going on, we will be with you to always be exposed to the security situation and as long as rockets fly, as long as civilians are destroyed, we will not be able to organize the return of people here, despite any conditions, and another negative point: the longer the war continues, the more

our refugees adapt to living abroad. when a person has settled in, when he has found his place, when he has integrated into the society he left , he will not return here. let 's call things by their names, that is, in this situation, we are all at the moment we must understand that the longer the war lasts, the more difficult it will be to organize the return of ukrainians to their historical territories, one more moment . let's once again clearly understand what can happen after we receive the money , when we create jobs and when the ukrainians who left will not want to return. will be here and here will be what is always there when

a family goes from their land to this land , that outfit comes to this land that does not have its own land. that is, we can expect here refugees from southeast asia, ostarbaiters. excuse me please for such a phrase from southeast asia from the military of central asia well, let's say those uh who are currently driving , you and i can't so we will have we you and we will have those uh development scenarios that we can see today what is happening in the european union in the rich european union, that is, at the present moment, why has such a huge number of social groups, let's say, social lands in the european union arisen, they have a serious problem with the workforce, they

have created the conditions for that company to work the power came to their own who were actually ready to share their population and they created the conditions when they arrived there and all the people we discussed with you are central asia , southeast asia, the near east, that is , the society itself, which is quite difficult for integration and e- it is necessary to understand that those people are ready at the very beginning to go to a low level of wages because where they live they have huge problems with the standard of living, huge problems with the cost of labor, they are ready come here and there is a very high probability that we will have that scenario with you, what problems are there today in the developed countries of the european union and unfortunately this scenario

is not very good for the future of ukraine why because let's let's look at the average number of children in a ukrainian family. let's look at the average number of children in the country of refugees, for example, from central asia, from southeast asia, from the middle east, from african countries. is in the european union, which, let's say, has turned into an extremely large migration problem in the countries of the european union, so ukrainians must return from the point of view of preserving their national identity. today is somehow trying to create conditions

for here, let's say, mechanisms for the return of ukrainians, but yesterday, i repeat, it requires a lot of money, it requires a lot of money social programs and you and i perfectly understand one more point uh, well, we talked about refugees like this and let's call it, let's see the structure of those refugees, minute p oh, we have a minute left now, yes, in reality , we have problems, well, the pensioners didn't go we understand that pensioners are left with us, the age group of ukrainians who are left will age very much. and this is also a problem that will require us. well, we understand that our pension system provides that pension payments go at the expense of those who work. if we have 10.5 million pensioners and 15 million workers left, then you have to understand that the incomes

of pensions and pensions plus we have plus every day young people die. well, older men also become crippled. these are also facts. this is very extraordinary. big, big problem that requires a lot of questions, so, well, we just stated them with you today. and how to solve them in this huge, we will still talk in any case, thank you very much oleg oleg e penzen was in touch with us they talked with him about the economic economic component of this issue oleg pentsyn he is a member of the economic discussion club. also, today we will have a conversation with maksym pylypenko , he is the communications director of the work.ua website. we will talk about how ukrainians are working abroad, what they are offered there, and what kinds of workers ukraine needs now, again, what are the jobs? she can offer our citizens who today are forced, well, or of their own free will, who have left the borders of ukraine, stay with us. we continue. this is

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monday to friday at 20:00 repeat at 12:10 let's get back to the conversation, this is a program, a worldview, and here's a quote for you, but a song. this knife, don't love me, no. the first strong one didn't impress the young heart . he sits mute, indifferent, and the old man 's head bowed down on his chest. on his chest with trembling hands, he undresses his shirt from his chest, that yevshan takes off the magic potion and sniffed at whom he gives this top, what happened to me and the young man, the goods ran to the sky and trembled

, his eyes flashed and he fell to his feet, native a wide, free , richly colored and flowery steppe suddenly appeared in front of my eyes with him and an unhappy loaf of bread. they do not want to be sold from abroad to rebuild ukraine. we still have to win here, of course, but only later and rebuild ukraine after the war, we will now talk about where to find this eushan-potion that would make a hardened heart somewhere there or something else wake up and remember about step wide will and come to our country maksym polopenko is with us director of communications from the work.ua website maksym i congratulate you good day we will move on from such poetic things to things that are purely material and prosaic before the questions that i want to ask you please tell me if it is true the countries of the european union today are interested in ukrainians, and if we talk specifically about working hands and not just about the fact that a person wants to stay there and live on some kind of help

, 400 or 500 euros or 300, who is there, how much it pays but really to stay to work and develop, well, it’s a person out there somewhere, i understand. well, up to 50 years is possible. what kind of work are needed today? what kind of workers are needed today? europe or indeed some eu countries are at least ready to retain ukrainians , well, it’s worth noting that a really large number of ukrainians have left abroad, and this is estimated at millions of people, and we know that there was migration abroad even before the full-scale invasion, when people went to earn more money , now people left because of the war and the number of people, as i already said, millions of people, and for foreign countries. this is a large number of the economically active population who can actually work in this country

, and we can see on the example of this same poland where ukrainian businesses are opening, which are developing and which are being filled economy and definitely eh. this creates certain difficulties for us as for ukraine in the return of ukrainians from abroad , that is why it is an urgent question. they are mobilizing, taking away from production from businesses from the service sector from the medical sector from the state sector, well, actually, this is an objective process that continues to a greater or lesser extent , men, women are now being mobilized and still need workers, both the private sector and the state sector of the economy, which are now eh, the need for workers is already now in ukraine, is the question closed in principle, more or less, or not? look at

the working-age population in ukraine. according to various estimates , several million people left ukraine. population and if it is equated to the number of able-bodied population that existed before the full-scale invasion, then it is about there -20% shortage of personnel of the able-bodied population, and on the other hand, if you look at the recovery of the labor market in ukraine, we currently have more than, in particular, on the website work.ua before the full-scale secondary there were more than 100,000 vacancies , currently there are already more than 95. that is, we can say that the labor market in ukraine has almost recovered and employers are already faced with a shortage of personnel and a shortage of qualified personnel, it is a double lack of such specialists and employers are interested in ukrainians returning from abroad

because they need people in your opinion , like today, that is, ukrainians are needed now i'm not talking about what will be needed when the restoration begins, we believe in victory , we help, we support the armed forces of ukraine, we understand that this process may drag on, but it will still end sooner or later and the war will end, and we will have to restore and predict how many workers ukraine will need then, it's difficult, but we understand this construction, this is the service sector, this is also medical, well, there are many areas that will need this, well, it is banal, this is agriculture, this is transportation, and transport and whatever , that is, more people will be needed here, and this, well, even if we say about the restoration of, let's say, the kakhova hpp, it will take a lot of specialists, a lot of people who will do it, it is a big job that ukraine will face. especially since the territories will be restored, social workers will be needed

, psychologists will be needed, and teachers will be needed we all understand that, even officials in the liberated territories or in the de-occupied territories will also be needed, will people be needed, or can we now roughly understand, again, how many people will be needed, and the question is simple but at the same time difficult, whether ukraine will be able to recover on what scale exactly how with the help of workers, if , well, relatively speaking, 40%, let it be 40% plus or minus of those people who left today will not return at all, well , look at the forecasts of the min-economy in the next 10 years, ukraine will have to more than four and a half million working population will have to be found in order to restore the country, that is, the number of ukrainians needed for restoration is quite large, but there are also ways of restoration. we recently conducted

a survey among entrepreneurs to find out what they see as ways to overcome the shortage of personnel in ukraine and in the first place there is investing more money in training and development of the existing e-e population, which is the existing staff , the next is the introduction of new technologies which will allow people to perform this or that task faster, smarter and more efficiently. in third place, they point out that the return of ukrainians from abroad is about how to return from abroad. first of all , decent working conditions must be created, starting with safety and ending with pay. the next thing is that, in principle, it is necessary to form a positive agenda regarding work, as i already said that the number of jobs in ukraine has almost recovered, that is, work is based on salaries. we also see that the average salary

it has grown since the beginning of 2023 from uah 15,000 to uah 17,500 and in the fall we expect that the growth coach will continue, but the most important factor for the return of ukrainians from abroad is, of course, safe conditions, we need victory and then there will be more in the picture who want to return but we are observing this trend now , in particular, people who have work experience even in international companies come to our company , but either they do not understand that it is necessary to support and help ukraine and they make a choice in favor of working for ukraine and that is a dream job, a job, not comfortable working conditions, a dream job, namely, a dream job that makes sense, that helps the country . well, really, it would be based on the ideological component. anyway, it won’t work out, it has to decide somewhere that it wants to restore ukraine, having lost

something somewhere, but it has to be a decision so here, in any case, if you count only in terms of money, well, our viewer writes under a pseudonym, despises what he writes on youtube, we have a chat and there you can watch the broadcast and write your comments, and here they are written by a man who is apparently in one of the benelux countries that is, this there, er, holland, belgium-luxembourg, he is somewhere in one of these countries and writes. so, i am reporting on the example of vacancies in the benelux countries, an electrical welder, a plumber, a milling machine, 25 € per hour, i have already calculated 25 euros, this is somewhere around 1000 uah if 5 hours a day is not 5,000 uah, 5 days a week is uh, 25,000 uah and 4 weeks is somewhere around 100,000 uah, it’s about us , well, it can and doesn’t work for 8 hours, i don’t know, but i calculated it somewhere on average approximately plus or minus 100,000 uah per person can have in a month in the benelux countries an electrician working as a milling technician. well, maybe also a welder, yes, this is just an example

of what people have there. well, somewhere, i have friends who work there and clean. they have 12-15 euros. per hour well, it's different work, but it's something like this order of numbers, and again, i understand that money is now money to beat the offers of germany , austria, well, rich countries with a gdp per capita of €60,000. well, it's not easy , that is. in your opinion, there should still be more well, not so much society as the state, first of all, because there are also certain bodies that should be engaged in propaganda in a good sense , pr of their state in order for people to return. this pr component is an ideological component of urging people to return and work already we need to deal with this now, not later, when the war ends in an emergency mode . there is a war here, some negotiations, maybe there is a capitulation

. realistically, european salaries with ukrainian salaries of mass specialties, of course, they do not compete , so there is no need to compare, but if we are talking about qualified personnel, the same doctors, marketers , it specialists, then here it is already it is possible to discuss, but for now, yes, as you mentioned, the most important thing is uh, well, in order for people to return willingly, it is necessary for there to be security in the country and good relations. many ukrainians have gone to europe and see what the working conditions are like there living conditions and, of course, in order for them to want to return to ukraine, it should be better in ukraine, well, in addition to being the homeland , appropriate conditions are needed, so we need to change our worldview, we need to change

the partnership of the state and business, and this should be united and partnership and joint development vision of the development of ukraine, we spoke in the spring with the head of the european association, uh, about work with personnel, and he noted that when the war ends, weapons in our hands will replace knowledge and investments will go to ukraine, and we need to be ready for this, it is necessary to learn to master new technologies and then we will have a review, so work on it, prepare now, meet, create programs. how do you speak in order to inform ukrainians abroad that positive changes are taking place in ukraine ? is an important factor in the return of ukrainians. well, really, you are telling the truth that ukrainians have seen a different attitude, they have seen

the concept of justice when you work honestly , earn money there, and pay certain taxes but you also have certain services from the state, this is also a service center and not a punishing body that only demands from you and does not give you in return. i think that the ukrainians who will return are like this. i believe that more than the majority of ukrainians will return immediately . maybe something will not return later of course, they will also demand this. and here the question is that the government must also be ready, well, first of all , the regulatory bodies, what kind of law enforcement agencies , etc., should not be ready for the fact that people will no longer want to live the way it was when someone growled and got scared. no you are a citizen you you need, you know, in rome, there was such a concept of secession in ancient rome, when such simple people were not noble romans, simple workers, workers, when they were taken by the aristocracy , they simply collected money and left rome , went somewhere here in the fields to the steppes, and for some time the aristocrats lived without these citizens then you started smelling like crap on

the streets, unwashed horses, food not ready, clothes not washed, apartments, these houses of these patricians , they were cleaned, they went to an agreement with the citizens, fulfilled their demands, and the citizens, these ordinary workers, returned to rome and the life of rome was about to be restored, right now there is this secession in ukraine. and we need to create conditions for people because they don’t want to, as before, please definitely those who went abroad and saw how life and work happens there, but instead you told this story and it is already people who are in ukraine and there are people who have limited departure from country and it is now necessary to think about these people and understand. and how to make these

people want to stay in ukraine and work for the benefit of ukraine after the borders are opened, so in fact there are many issues and they need to be solved and a large component, as we see the sensor also plays the role of all this. we recently blocked the first promotional list there on work.ua , refused to cooperate with the company that continues to work in russia, and even despite this, we excluded their vacancies. the country has enough, and we see that even the employees of these companies, which we refused to work for, even some of them have understood and reacted favorably to this situation, and they can enter the labor market and find a job among 95,000 vacancies . qualified people are now in great demand

so, employees in ukraine are still chosen by employers, and then how responsibly he conducts business, how much he works for ukraine, how much he helps the defense forces, this is an important factor that builds the employer's brand, builds desired working conditions creates this dream job and also attracts employees, including the power of the employer brand to bring people back abroad. thank you very much, maxim , god of success in work. thank you for joining maksym pilopenko, communications director, work.ua website i was in touch with us. finally, i want to say. you know these are all important things. now i'm reading. people are writing posts. deputies should change the tax system. it shouldn't work against business . how about a cutlet? take away a lot, because that is, people, people, people want justice.

it's normal, that's right, people are worried and, er, outraged by corruption scandals, looting, disappearance, that is, many problems that people are outraged by, and many representatives of the government have shown themselves on the shameful side, as marauders , as pus beetles, you know this colorado beetle. the characters of the cattle yard, he throws shit on himself, this dung beetle. well, so that he stinks and is not eaten by some chicken or whoever, but then over time this war becomes so much that under the pressure of this shit itself this festering beetle is dying, that is, some corrupt officials in ukraine have already played these festering beetles and they will die sooner or later under the pressure of the crap they have thrown on themselves . this is the people's demand for justice, honesty , even responsibility for the equal distribution of responsibilities. because when someone goes to the front someone works more than the norm and gets less and someone sits well, there is banal, he does nothing , he just sucks. and his children

have been abroad for a long time. people don't believe you. you don't have the right to blame anyone for anything. if you're not like that yourself, that's why these things need to be changed, but in any case, i want to say one thing today. our soldiers , men and women, are fighting at the front, many people fall into occupation, they pay the most for this victory and we will be dishonest, i am saying now to those people who are outside of ukraine, if the language is not sacrificed , rebuilding ukraine is a sacrifice, you can count money, you can count opportunities , educate children abroad, let them be educated in the law, come to ukraine, build to the letter but it's also a sacrifice to rebuild ukraine after the war - it's also a big sacrifice, you won't always get a penny in a penny, the state must be fair, the conditions must be equal, access to rights must be equal for people, the pay is decent , but we must understand that it will also be a sacrifice , it's work great joint work, we will start this discussion, we will continue it, but the sacrifice of ukrainians is definitely here

. well, we will be able to do it, i believe . thank you for being with me. with the press greetings to all viewers of espresso. it is time to learn about the most important events at the moment and i will start with the situation in kherson oblast. the russian army attacked stanislav in the central part of the settlement and hit the enemy at least 10 times. the kherson regional military administration reported . killed and four wounded in the new wave of mobilization today. there is no need to put things in order with the