[000:00:00;00] well, thank you thank you to our soldiers about see you tomorrow and now serhiy rudenko the verdict program let's watch together good evening we are from ukraine glory to ukraine this is the verdict program my name is serhiy rudenko i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health today in the program the pope is at the service putin has a scandalous address by the pontiff about great russia, why does the vatican praise a terrorist country , and how did they react to it in ukraine, in the swamps, are they preparing for

a coup d'état again? relations with the west, how erdogan's trip to sochi can affect the course of the war and the situation of the russian dictator zelensky was not invited and then refused at the g20 summit, it seems that they are ignoring the world's largest active military conflict , we will talk about all this and other things in the next hour with our guest from a politician and diplomat of volodymyr mogrysk, but good evening, mr. volodymyr. congratulations. thank you for joining our conversation and our broadcast . thank you for the invitation, always with pleasure, mr. volodymyr, first of all, some news that were today we will watch it very briefly with you today we said goodbye to military pilots andrii pyshchukov in kyiv with the call sign juice the ceremony was held in the patriarchal cathedral of the resurrection of christ juice was a mig-29 fighter pilot in the 40th tactical aviation brigade he had more than 500 hours of combat sorties let me remind you

the pilot died on august 25 as a result of a plane crash in zhytomyr oblast, let 's see. he maintained his tone at the beginning of the war, when people had a little bit of the consequences of the decline, but this is the whole legend, bring kyiv, that's all people were cheered on that they were really protected somewhere in the sky, and they believed in it. and you see the chevron that the americans made on it, black, yes, with a reason

, the word believe is written on it, but i believed in victory, the team number. we will do everything so that all our pilots were flying in the 16th by themselves and were like andrii, he is an example for everyone, eternal memory of the hero, eternal memory of all those who died during the russian-ukrainian war and

today are soldiers of the armed forces of ukraine raised the ukrainian flag nearby near oleshok is on the left bank of the kherson oblast let's see glory to ukraine glory to the heroes death to the enemies glory to the nation well, for those who are now watching us on youtube , i will say that you can take part in polls. pope francis during the great war options for the answer yes no your option please write in the comments under this video so , on august 25, francis pope francis spoke to

the participants of the tenth all russian day of catholic youth in st. petersburg and let's hear what he said, don't forget the heritage of the great russia, the holy rulers of the great russia, peter the first, catherine ii, that empire of the great supreme country of the great culture and great humanity , never give up this heritage of the great mother of russia, go ahead with it and thank you for your way of being russian, mr. volodymyr, quite a wide discussion and very wide comments during the last few days regarding this statement of pp rymsky, you say as an experienced diplomat now how can

characterize the role of the pope in the peace-making efforts between ukraine and russia and his attempts to propose some peace formula of his own, because we remember that the pope has repeatedly tried to play the role of a peacemaker, you know, mr. sergius . let's start with what... any pope of rome is a kind of sinful earthling who is a man with all his preferences with all his political likes and dislikes and so on and so forth and the current pontiff is not with the exception that is, he uh and we're fine with that we know, let's say, they adhere to such, let's say, well, if not lebanese, then at least he, like many people from

latin american countries, supports or, so to speak, understands the thesis that the americans are bad guys, that is, the topic he is clearly no stranger to anti-americanism. in this way, from the very beginning , he associated himself to a certain extent with those who want to establish ties with the russian orthodox church, remember his communication with kirill and his desire to speak through the head of vselensky patriarch and so on and so on

that is, it is already not equidistant, at least, and definitely has some er, well, we can see it now, and before it was a more hidden sympathy for russia, to say such words during the er, bloody war waged by a dictator in the kremlin and his commonwealth - it is probably not possible to say otherwise, his slaves, it means to side with these arabs, only for the slaves of god, the arabs seem to me diabolical, because the slaves are the servants of god, they still seem to have to follow the commandments of god, what we see today in russia is the implementation of the commandments the devil if anything to move on to such a religious topic, you know, that's why it seems to me that after this and after the reaction

of ukraine, which is absolutely clear, absolutely ambiguous, his chances are to be somewhere in the middle , to be neutral, to be the kind of person whose words will be listened to. archive least in ukraine they will not believe him right away because these words and this address of the pope of rome sounded uh in the address of the russian youth, the holy see made an attempt to explain the scandalous statement about great russia by the head of the vatican press center mateo brudi e-e stated in the vatican news that the pope intends to encourage young people to preserve and develop the positive things that are in the great cultural and spiritual heritage of russia, of course not to glorify their paralyzing logic and statesmen mentioned to mark

certain historical periods in the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine have already been criticized oleg nikolenko of the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine speaks of this statement of the pope against the spread of propaganda of this kind of imperialistic propaganda with spiritual screeches and the need to save the great mother russia, the kremlin justifies the murder of thousands of ukrainians, the destruction of hundreds of ukrainian cities and villages, it is very unfortunate that russian great-power ideas , which are actually the cause of russia's chronic aggressiveness , are consciously or unconsciously brought from the lips of the pope , whose mission, in our understanding, is precisely to open the eyes of russian youth to the destructive course of the current russian leadership and the head of the ukrainian greek catholic church, patriarch svyatoslav shevchuk, reacted to the pope's words about the heritage of great and enlightened russia as church we want to state that in the context of russia's aggression against ukraine, such statements inspire the neo-ocular ambitions

of the aggressor country, although such a way of being russian should be categorically condemned in order to avoid any manipulation of the intentions of the context. the situation, well, the explanation , i cited the holy see first . so, i understand the holy see as a diplomatic institution or as an institution that could be authoritative in the world and among others of countries simply faltered and faltered, including because of the connections of the holy see with the church of the moscow patriarchate, which blesses the russians for the war in ukraine for the killing of people, yes, i agree, this is true , and it seems to me that the authority in this regard

is an international authority in this regard, the holy see is clearly losing and degrading as an institution that was supposed to play a completely different role in world politics, a role that is truly a role. accept the role of a world power here, so to speak. which should to seek justice, god's justice, and not to take the position of justifying bandits and it is really very sad because you quoted the statement of the representative of the vatican , well, you know, this is an innocent attempt to somehow cover up the holes that have now appeared, but

you know what they say not the sparrow has already said it already said it and i don't think that this phrase actually influenced anyone strong in ukraine and that we will be satisfied with it. i think that his beatitude sviatoslav, who will soon be in rome with the ukrainian bishops, will have enough. so i think it's unpleasant conversation with the pontiff and it seems to me that uh, they will be able to convey to him the inadmissibility of such a position, because calling the syphilitic peter or the prostitute catherine great great russian heritage well, i don't know then what he is calling the russian language to do. i don't understand how you can talk about the great russian culture

which today completely destroys ukrainian cities, when women and children are killed, when they are raped , these are the consequences of this great culture , about which the condition speaks, and why is it great? and why? the conventional czech republic is not big or poland or any other nation . why do we say this at all, in principle, we use this rotten, absolutely talentless and meaningless formula of the doctor, which means others are small, which means they have some advantage over others, what can petefi or goethe, he is less big than pushkinchen lermontov, this absurdity must finally end, and i would very much like all of us

together , including the mass media. positions because otherwise we will repeat walking in circles and this russian monster will simply be reborn every time. well, there will be no putin. how long will it be like this if the west continues to say such nonsense again and again? now the pontiff did it, and tomorrow anyone else can do it. a politician who will suddenly appear in the sky and start saying that seizing other people's land is normal, so i think that this scandal created by the holy father will benefit us, in fact, and we will look at these things are completely different with bo's eyes after all, we had some hopes for him and actually for many politicians in the west who will see that such and such a policy is actually completely inadequate and leads to a dead end

, but what the pontiff, mr. volodymyr, said means that such people with such thoughts in leadership positions in europe and in the world, in fact, a lot is possible, not all of them articulate similar opinions publicly, but judging by the way the world reacts to what is happening in ukraine and to the aggressive policy of russia and to the fact that despite one and a half years of the great war , the destructive war, the largest war on uh continent and in europe, the biggest war in the last 80-90 years, uh, people still do not realize what uh, justice is in the current sense and who in this situation are not the aggressors, who is the victim, well, that is, they

do it in order to put one on one a bunch of scales, that's ukraine and russia, well, they have some kind of conflict there, but there is great literature, great culture there, they are the descendants of great russia, and ukrainians, well, that's right, ukraine gained independence there 30 years ago, it's a new state, so it's clear why russia wants to return ukraine it doesn't bother you that there are more and more similar opinions, that is, people are beginning to articulate this speech, influencing the masses. because when even the pontiff is talking about millions of people who trust him , who perceive him as a spokesman, of course , mr. serhiu, and that is why he should act as a moral authority, and this is precisely what many millions of catholics around the world expect from him, and instead he says things that cannot be said in

the literal sense of the word, because he repeats everything that was in the russian history he speaks about what he does not know, he confirms that he does not really know russian history he knows it from the propaganda of the kremlin, which has been advancing for many, many decades, if not for centuries, and this shows the ignorance of such politicians , because he is not just a holy father, he is also and the head of state, the vatican, let's not forget about it, and if the heads of state show their otaku , well, let's put it mildly, unpreparedness, ignorance , then what can we say?

a clear bell we must have a state program today, despite all the troubles, despite the fact that we have to give all the money for weapons , but we also have to give money for ideological weapons. and we have it that is clear and most importantly true, this is the true history of ukraine and i think if today, we had a clear strategy for bringing our western partners to western societies , including personally to mr. well, to the holy father . i'm sorry, i think that there would be fewer such statements and, accordingly, such doubts as to whether it is worth

it would be just as less to help ukraine the tenth century, and where was modern russia at that time, what frogs croaked there in those moscow swamps, what was inside the er centuries when, er , in the 16th century, we founded a university, and in muscovy, children were er afraid to send e-e to schools because they believed that education is bad and so on and so on . that is, all these things are completely understandable and reasonable, but they should also be directed by the state . unfortunately, we do not have them yet.

but i really hope that we will live until then, when we will also begin to pay attention to the true history that changes the position of the intellectual elites. on in the west but we have the state channel freedom, but for some reason it speaks in russian and not in the languages ​​of non-european countries, that is, we have a foreign language, but we do not have it. i absolutely agree with you that the word and information policy is also a weapon, as well as heimers, which are f16 and like leopards and other weapons that help us fight the russian federation , because you know me better. to be honest, as a citizen, it is simply infuriating when there are good russians on the freedom channel you mentioned, who cannot clearly answer question and what are we going to do with criminals who kill

ukrainian women and children, kill our heroes, today we started a program with this terrible in my opinion, from the plot of the farewell to the legendary pilot jus and for this reason, the freedom channel invites people to russians are showing again their own stupidity, you know, we don't have any other speakers, just retelling what these good russians told us in russian. the bad thing is probably not the editorial strategy of this channel, so to speak, and this is simply evidence that , unfortunately, at the state level, we still do not understand where and how we should go in this very important informational and ideological work. and this is very sad because that we are suffering from this

, i also wanted to ask you in continuation of this conversation about the state's understanding of the peace formula , because today it was announced that a meeting of ambassadors on work on the ukrainian peace formula will be held in kyiv this week office of the president of ukraine, who says that more than 70 participants will gather at the meeting , a few weeks ago i had the novel immortal on the air, he says that maybe it would be worth talking about the peace formula in the text of ukraine only in order to simply unite more countries and in the context in general of all the territories that are now under the control of the russian federation in georgia in moldova in japan there a part of finland at one time the soviet union bit off the leningrad region i.e. does it make sense to talk about this formula of peace

much more broadly so that other countries who suffered from the aggressive policy of the kremlin also had the opportunity to articulate and support this peace formula, not only a peace formula for ukraine for the world, because it stopped the territorial bite that russia regularly does with some frequency. well, i think that on this topic we definitely let's return after the collapse of putin 's regime, it is obvious that the end of this era of this next russian barbarism and vandalism will have as a consequence the revision of this barbaric regime he has been doing it for at least the last 30 years, when he, as you say, quite rightly bit off the territory of the earth from his neighbors, not to mention those times after the second world war when he

bit off a rather large piece at that. a piece of finland so that's all on the agenda of our next stages and from this muscovy will not go anywhere and it seems to me that this is how it will be immediately after the putin regime collapses, should we raise it now and make it a topic uh, well, a direct discussion. well, i don't know there are certain doubts, now everything is actually focused on the topic of victory in ukraine, so i think that if the representatives of this really huge number of countries will be able to make real contributions, not verbal but practical and very, very large, in order for us

to make a decisive one step forward, they broke the backbone of their ugly russian military machine and won the victory, but then it seems to me that everything else will be only a matter of time and consequences, and then they will return to japan, the islands of korea, then the ranks of korea will return to finland, part of which it has were taken away by russia after the second world war , then abkhazia and the southern section will return to the territory of georgia, then transnistria will return to the united moldova it seems so very well, let's say it's so unproductive, we have to talk about the fact that

ukraine's victory is everyone's victory, and therefore it's necessary to focus on me unintelligible on this topic, volodymyr, the president of hungary , catalin novak declared that her the state joins mir zelenskyi's formula, at the same time it says that ukraine should enter into negotiations with the russian federation and participate in negotiations with moscow, the war has been going on for 1.5 years, i do not see any military solution that would lead to a stable and long-term peace, therefore, it is necessary to sit down at the negotiating table, i expressed this strong opinion of the president , and she said publicly and personally in an interview with the publication index e-e, this is quite a strange statement, in fact, because mir zelenskyi's formula assumes that any peaceful negotiations with moscow are possible only after the russian troops leave the territory of the ukrainian state. putin is not going to leave

the territory of the ukrainian state, or is it so that in the process of the withdrawal of russian troops from the ukrainian territory from the crimea , for example, that ukraine will start on some there are at the lowest level, any negotiations with the russian federation or all of them will have absolutely no success, because now for russia ukraine is not the time for diplomacy, but the time for military operations and the advantages of military superiority today eh i call him eh the horseman of the nuclear apocalypse, the eternally drunk medvedev wrote, referring to the phrase that khrushchev once said about the west, that we will bury you, therefore, the statements

of mrs. novak, the president and hungary in this regard, are at least surprising well, it’s a misunderstanding of what she’s actually talking about, but the truth is in this quote that you quoted mr. serhiy, and it says that you should sit down at the negotiating table, so maybe she means herself. well, let her sit down, because she is a representative country that maintains contacts criminal putin, her minister of armed affairs is visiting the russian federation and is conducting negotiations on how to benefit from cooperation with the russian dictator . maybe then she really needs to go to putin. well, i don’t know how long the table will be, 15 m or 20 m or 40 meters. it is so important to start negotiations. and let her then, if she has declared that she supports the ukrainian formula, the ukrainian formula, which

stipulates that there will be no negotiations until the withdrawal of russian troops from the territory of ukraine, then let her conduct negotiations on the withdrawal of russian troops from the territory of ukraine and this will be its great contribution to our victory, we will only applaud talking about other negotiations. it seems to me that it is simple to either demonstrate your complete professional unsuitability or simply to speculate on this topic, mr. volodymyr, did you mention the horseman of the nuclear apocalypse dmitry medvedev, there is another rider there, this is volodymyr solovyov, and he proposed to test tactical nuclear weapons in a robot, we know that the armed forces of ukraine liberated this settlement on zaporizhzhia, let's hear what another horseman says

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