[000:00:00;00] and abroad , now in the summer we go to the crimea, and in the spring we can go to the emirates and other places. and prices and products are all at the previous positions and prices and products are all at near positions from the far east, the city of usuriysk, we came from the far east, from the city of usuriysk, we came here just to relax in this sunny city of yevpatoria, we got there by plane from vladivostok to moscow and with the moscow view of patoria on the tavria train, calm, easy, comfortable, 34 hours on the train and 8 hours by plane to moscow , there we had to run a little

, shuffle around, wait for the night train, here they are grazing , run, wait for the night train , we got to the train, we got there by train for two days and four hours this year for a very long time because we were afraid to go by car, we have been resting here for the fifth year now, yes, it was difficult to get to yevpatoria, now it was so difficult to get here to yevpatoria, we traveled by train for two days, it was hot the air conditioner is not very helpful because it is very cold on the upper shelves, and it is hot downstairs . last year we traveled by car , it was somehow more interesting and faster . cheaper. this is probably another reason why we came here. we came

here . we had absolutely no worries. we went without thinking about anything. and russian tourism, definitely by motor vehicle in their own car from vologta by car, using information from the internet, they asked our friends and found out that they had to wait a long time to cross the crimean bridge, but they got caught in the wave, we passed the place in less than 10 minutes , there are no risks, in principle, the sky is closed very much, so there is no need to be upset . crimea is now probably a replacement for turkey and thailand. of course, you need to support your i for

yours. i for yours. well, while citizens of the russian federation continue to go to the occupied crimea for rest, the leadership of ukraine continues to discuss options for how kyiv can regain control over the peninsula, for example, president zelenskyi in an interview with one plus one the day before said that he prefers the diplomatic way of liberating crimea, according to him, this will mean fewer casualties among the military, and earlier he said that allegedly, russia may show readiness to leave the peninsula if the bolt goes to the border with crimea. at the same time, the head of military intelligence of ukraine kyrylo budanov believes that fighting on the territory of the peninsula cannot be avoided. said in an exclusive interview with the radio freedom project crimea realiy offers to listen without

military hostilities, it is impossible , as i have been saying all these years . to return ukraine was ported only by diplomatic means, there are no others. well, where are all these people now? if anyone knows how it is possible , through broadcasting, yes, or by another option of diplomacy, er, to make the russian army obey, even not a millimeter, not figuratively, but in reality in any direction. well let them do it well, that's the end of svoboda life. thank you for watching. if you like our work, please like this broadcast and subscribe to radio

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minutes, we will talk about how to find the conventional artistic image of evshan-potion, the smell of which will bring ukrainians back home or force them to return home. of this house is torn off, and there is an epigraph to this poem at the beginning, and there mykola voronyi quotes the words of the author of the ipativ list of the old russian chronicle. hey and not lena, someone else's glorious beating, will something force many ukrainians who have now left the country by force or of their own free will, no matter what happens there, kostya heals on earth , is it glorious to be beaten or fed up on foreign land, which today has become a temporary home for them, we will

to talk about if it didn't sound like that, well, it's possible rudely and human resources that ukraine needs, that the european union needs a lot of things, and here is this battle for people that is already being waged, that will be waged even more actively, what will it lead to, and will the ukrainian government, above all, be able to the society that currently exists in ukraine is to find this evshan -potion for me so that it will bring ukrainians home so evshan-potion for ukrainians how to bring citizens home now or something later we will talk with our guests whom we invited to a conversation and with us i already have oleg penzin, a member of the economic discussion club. oleg, i congratulate you. i also sincerely congratulate you. where do i start ? yesterday i read a story about the fact that a draft law was submitted to the german bundestag that shortens the required period of stay of foreign nationals of citizens on the territory of the federal republic of germany is necessary for these citizens to acquire

the citizenship of the federal republic of germany. we are talking about reducing this period from eight to five years. well , sometimes they even say that it can be three years, and for me this is such a signal that obviously in germany interested in many , i will not say that in all, but in many ukrainian citizens who work today, realize themselves, study and build a new life in germany , the same story is in poland, because in poland i also want many ukrainians. leave them in their territory. i also remember the conversation of one of the ukrainian politicians with the ambassador of the republic of poland in ukraine, who said that we will fight for your citizens, we will fight because there are working hands and the light of the head and their energy is also needed, is there already a problem that ukrainian citizens will not simply decide for themselves whether to go home or not, but what about these ukrainian citizens in the european union

, at least in many countries of this union will fight for labor and demographic resources. well, you have made a very good summary, there are practically a lot of answers to those questions. what you just mentioned is in the information that you have already provided. so let's go. i will try to be as specific as possible. first, look at the number of people you and i are talking, uh, officially, according to the europeans, european institutions , 8.7 people left ukraine during the active phase of hostilities, this is too much, that is, more left, some returned, but of those eight and seven million about 2.5 million people left for the european union directly, and about 3 million were forced to leave the territory of ukraine in the direction of the aggressor country

. that is, we must understand those things and treat them accordingly. relate to some of these people who went to the russian federation, then left through the baltic countries and then returned to ukraine or remained in the european union, but at least there are such figures , why at the moment we are so... to understand that for the recovery of ukraine, well, this applies to any other country, money that comes in the form of investments , they do not solve the main issue, money is only money, it is a resource for creating a workplace, and the actual added value was dumped , the domestic product is created by working hands , created by people and to date, according to the estimates of the ministry of economy, ukraine needs at least 5 million more workers for normal recovery, that is, the issue

of the return of forcibly displaced persons to ukraine and now we are actually approaching the problems that you just raised , that is, among those people, among those forcibly displaced persons who have currently left the territory of ukraine from the side of europe , relevant sociological studies were conducted, which revealed that at least a third of those who left the territory they will no longer return to ukraine, that is , we are talking about those people who have already found work, who have already found places to study for children who have already integrated into that society. where are they going? left, the lion's share of those people are today in poland, the czech republic and slovakia, er, somewhere around er, well, a rough 28-29%, er, of people who clearly say that they will return as soon as security conditions

allow it, that is, the first very a serious problem is the security conditions and another third - these are the people who have not yet decided, that is, of the people who left , at least a third is ready to return, this is somewhere, well, in the best case, it is up to 2 million people , all of them are the last as of today or hesitate or are finally going to stay and see why at the moment our european partners so facilitate the process of naturalization of those people who actually went abroad as refugees , a ukrainian citizen, a ukrainian refugee is extremely attractive from the point of view of his as fast as possible naturalization in the countries where they left why so

look, first of all, a ukrainian dissolves very quickly in the society in which he is not, he very quickly adapts to those conditions, to those language parameters that exist today in the countries of the european union he very quickly integrates the society that comes. and now let's compare a ukrainian refugee with, for example, a refugee from the middle east, so refugees from africa come to the european union, those categories of businesses are usually create their own fairly serious compatriots with their specific religion with their er, let's say, clear and fairly rigid attachment to the language group, that is, er, as a rule, ukrainian business is extremely comfortable for the country where he comes

. he integrates very quickly and why exactly and the poles and the germans are raising the issue very strongly today. and you have already reminded me of the actual facts in order to maximally integrate ukrainians into the european society. why is this necessary? when you and i look at the demographic situation in the countries of the european union, we will see that, well, the european union today the moment is quickly older. that is, they urgently need workers at the moment, young workers who will work at those enterprises that are in the european union today, moreover, those workers must be integrated as quickly as possible into the what kind of society is there? well, there is an extremely interesting number: every third child born , for example, in holland is a child born in a muslim family. i don't want to say anything about the muslim religion

, every person in the right to give you a story that she considers necessary, but the fact that at the moment it is similar indicates that for europeans it is extremely important to actually integrate refugees into the society that is the dominant one that is the main one in the european union and that ukrainians are precisely there is a maximum uh well, let's say they are so comfortable for the countries from the point of view of their europeans in terms of their psychology, er , genotype, let’s say that with all the pros and cons, ukrainians are er, they are europeans , and the most important thing is that they are ready to learn, and you rightly said that they are ready to integrate , here i am in that story, which i know, let's say they are there, our relatives and close friends who went . well, here's a simple story: when you have to go to language courses, let's say in germany, ukrainians go in spite of everything, despite the fact that you have to ride a few kilometers on a bicycle, so far they are small

children, they completed these courses and received certain certificates so that they could continue to work, unfortunately, let's say refugees from the countries of the middle east, as you said, or mainly from african countries . you will still give help there and you will still pay us, why should we teach to learn this german language there, to work and grow, and this is one component of another word that we cannot help but say now it is money of course, the well-being of germany is uh, industry or production with a high added value that ensures the safe life of these countries and well, there is also the banking sector and so on . where do they want to attract ukrainians, because it all has to work in such developed countries as austria and germany, well, there and poland, which is currently growing, continues to grow here, money

arises because well, i have a simple story i know you, yes, you can’t find a highly qualified job right away, you can’t even find an official job, but everyone is trying to get an official job. here i am, a friend. let’s say they do some simple work. well , do they clean offices or do some other things? has a person already paid for more than a year in austria? her car in ukraine with her work by profession with a higher education, she could not do this, it is simple, it is clear that a person can return, can grow further , gain more knowledge of the world, she is a young person and have an even better job, and here is the question a very simple one arises. i am not talking about the question of patriotism. it is present in any of them. it is not present. we are now talking about such simple, practical material things that motivate people. because man needs security and not food . man needs money. she will not be able to live and move. and here is the issue of money, and how much

will it be decisive in your opinion, and then we move on to ukraine, and regarding ukraine, we can say now one very possible figure ukraine as of july of this year has a record of the external debt of such a general debt is a few trillions, it is about, well, now i will tell you how many 132 , in my opinion, billions are billions, not hryvnias, but dollars. and i will remind you that before the war, our budget was somewhere around 40 billion dollars. understand what a terrible money this is, and ukraine has huge problems with financial payments , which it has to make in july alone, the debt will be cut by 4 billion dollars, this is only in july. do you think ukraine will be able to lure ukrainians home with money? i'm not saying that someone will come again, that's clear and correct, but many people will have to be

lured, so let me try to answer those questions. what did you say first of all? high added value produced in the countries of the european union is synonymous with high wages, that is, if you work at industrial enterprises where there is a high level of processing and production of the final product, then objectively you produce a sufficiently large amount of added value, which then turns into high incomes, that is, it is necessary to understand that all european countries have a high level of income of citizens, not because they are sitting there on some colonies there and pump oil from somewhere there, on the contrary , they have a high level of incomes because they have high-tech production which provides a high added value and as

a result this is the result of such a high added value is a sufficiently high level of income of the population living in these territories and working at these enterprises it is the first point for which i am saying this is touch until there is an appropriate level of high-tech production in ukraine, wages will be low, no matter what we talk about with you there about how ukrainians should be lured back with money , that is, you need to understand that touch is not even in ukraine there will be an adequate level of processing as long as we trade raw materials with the civilized world , our income level will be low. that is, this is the first point that must be understood. ukraine actually. this is a chance for the potion you are talking about, it is really a high enough level of work, this is security, because as long

as there is a war, we will always be exposed to the uh situation, security and as long as rockets will fly, as long as civilians will be destroyed , we we will not be able to organize the return of people to us despite any conditions , and another negative point is that the longer the war continues, the more our refugees adapt to existence abroad. the place when she integrated into the society she went to, she will not return here. let's call a spade a spade, that is, in this situation, we all have to understand that the longer the war, the more difficult it will be to organize the return of ukrainians to their historical territories. one more moment let

's once again clearly understand what can happen after we receive the money, when we create jobs and when the ukrainians who left do not want to return, what will happen here and there it will be what it is always, when it leaves its land for a year, that outfit comes to this land that does not have its own land. that is, we can expect here refugees from southeast asia , ostarbaiters. please forgive me for such a phrase from southeast asia, from the military of central asia. well let's say those who are currently driving, you and i can't so we will have we will have we will have uh those uh development scenarios that today we can

see what is happening in the european union in the rich european union, that is, at the moment actually why such a huge one arose the number of, let's say, social groups, social lands in the european union, they had a serious problem with the workforce, they created the conditions for that company's workforce to come from those countries that were actually ready to share their population, and they created the conditions when they arrived there and all the people we discussed with you are central asia, southeast asia, the near east, that is, the society itself, which is quite difficult for integration, and it is necessary to understand that these people are ready to go to a low level of pay at the very beginning

because where they live they have huge problems with uh standard of living huge problems with the cost of labor it is ready to come here and uh there is a very high probability that we will have that scenario with you what are the problems that are in developed countries today unfortunately, this scenario is not very good for the european union and the future of ukraine. why because let's look at the average number of children in a ukrainian family. eastern asians from the middle east from african countries, that is, this is the model that we are currently discussing, it is currently in the european union, which , let's say, has turned into an extremely large migration problem in the countries of the european union

, so ukrainians need to return from the point of view of preserving their national identity. sorry, this is it is an extremely big problem and the state has a very large choice . yes, the state today is trying to create a microcredit program. the state is trying to somehow create conditions for the return mechanisms. ukrainians, but yesterday i repeat, it requires a lot of money, it requires large social programs and you and i perfectly understand one more point, uh , we talked about refugees like this and let 's name it and see the structure of those refugees, but from minute p oleg, we have a minute left now, in reality, we have problems, well, the pensioners did not leave. we understand that the pensioners remained with us, the age group of ukrainians who remained will age very much

. and this is also a problem that will require, well, in our country, we understand that we have a pension the system assumes that pension payments go at the expense of those who work. and if we have 10.5 million pensioners and 15 million workers left, then you have to understand that pension incomes and pensions plus our plus every day young people die. well, older people too men also become cripples, these are also facts. these are very, very big, big problems that require a lot of questions, so, well, we just stated them with you today. and how to solve them in this huge time, we will talk in any case, thank you very much oleg oleg e penzen was with us on the communication with him we talked about the economic economic component