[000:00:00;00] the fact that she did not call prigozhyn giving him security guarantees, that is, she called so that prigozhyn was safe in the territory of belarus, and here is what he said on june 27 , when he actually called. coffee soon, but come back because it will be just as interesting . i am oleksandr sklyar. i was born and raised in kharkiv , in a city that suffers daily from russian weapons. i know that poltava has become a home for

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are currently watching to the special channel of 1,128 people, i am very grateful to each of you for joining. well, 211 people have already given their answers. 6% believe that it was an accident, which means that he killed not murder, but the death of a beautiful woman. 80% think what it is murder and 14% believe that they have their own version, let's read it quickly before presenting to the guest, which version does tv have , yes, stepan savka thinks that this is a staged murder, john sheridan can staged it, as if all this happened and was planned by a beautiful woman. does cheshire think cat is a cheshire cat or a cat? i don't know. well, that's why i'm asking you in order to want to hear your opinion. i have my own opinion, which i

won't say right now in order not to set you up for the answers to the questions if i don't forget . at the end of the program, we'll say yes yes vote continue put your likes put yours no no likes don't put well but if you really want to put but please comment i am ready to introduce my next guest oleg lisny vice president of the political analytical center p olezhe i congratulate you glory to ukraine heroes glory i thank you very much for those who joined us, let's start from the very beginning. and how would you answer this question ? prigozhina's death is an execution. there's macaroni yes yes yes yes mr. oleg look even while there was a short commercial break he wrote a question to himself that

he wasn't going to ask but for some reason he still decided to ask it please tell me today medusa wrote in the morning about the fact that referring to his sources in the kremlin, the kremlin began to prepare candidates from other parties, candidates for putin's competitors from other parties for the presidential elections. and that one of the requirements is that the candidate must not be younger than 70 years old, it seems, or 50-50 years , 50 years old. please tell me in the kremlin is full they are not afraid of anything in the kremlin, they constantly assure us of the russians' crazy support for putin, and here's what this can indicate . well, we have to play democracy, although in russia it is not a fashionable game and russia is democratic, it's generally a bit of a joke, but in the church i'm a little

unsure of myself and that's why he needs to sell to the people, you know, he can also kill himself or something, i'm sure that russians don't value choice as such, but they value everything that can be imitated . for example, the president of russia is an imitation of the tsar or a representative of the highest echelon there of the mafia structure, therefore, most likely, political technologists calculated in order to, uh, add this cause of uncertainty, although again, what kind of uncertainty in russia is also a question of, well, something like that, in fact. therefore, this political technology is designed to simulate something and nothing more. and you don’t think that here is exactly this age limit of 50 years younger than 50 years is precisely to prevent younger people from competing with putin, who is already over 70 years old. and so that the younger ones do not

prettify, oh, do not ask, but are not more beautiful against the background of putin's grandfather. well, yes, but you understand, we are aware that the result of the election is already known simply by the numbers, they are there who loves putin more and who loves him less there 90 80 87 85 therefore, this is all an imitation of what is happening in russia - it is just like that, you know , at the level of some theater, not even regional, but some there of a small village when everything is clear, how will the story end, it is necessary to entertain people somehow, and that is why they entertain him in this way, and about whether there are any candidates who can actually compete among the young, among the middle-aged but there aren’t any of them, actually, putin is a swan on a big pond who killed not only ducks, he even drank the grass that grew on the shore, and therefore

, in principle, he only needs to be afraid of other swans. i mean black swans, which no dictator could calculate. this is true , i still know in continuation of what you say that he has no candidates. this is the case in fact. elections because they fully trust putin, that is, in the elections, fair russia will be competing with unicorns, but for the president, we will all be for putin, mr. oleg , please tell me now, spiegel, well, it’s such a german publication, well, it’s quite respectable, it’s nothing more, if he wrote something, i i wouldn't even ask you a question, but pigel wrote the day before yesterday that the nord stream 1 and nord stream 2 gas pipelines, considering their investigation, and they

involved a lot of journalists in the investigation, and these journalists then referred to sources in in the intelligence services of many countries, the spiel writes that the lawns nord stream 1 and nord stream 2 were blown up by the ukrainians, mr. oleg, in your opinion , why should we now disperse this topic in the same way? in terms of the fact that this is a source of information that deserves trust, but lately i have observed that a lot of such sources in the united states and in other countries that deserve or deserved attention sometimes serve some let's say so unclear interests, and in this case, i can say that this is russia's complicity after all, because the main version

used by our enemies, that they are ukrainians , was there at all, if i'm not mistaken, then it's so ridiculous, in general, it's a ridiculous description of how it all happened considering well, mykola gonchar is actually a ukrainian specialist, one of the best in the field of gas pipelines, and he understands everything about how it functions, so he said that it ’s just ridiculous, in fact, and i support him too. well, it can be beneficial only to russia or to those forces that want to say that it is not worth helping ukraine because it looks as if it is doing some terrorist acts because if so it would be then it would be well

it could be qualified therefore it is not in our piggy bank, is there definitely a hand of moscow here, i am not ready to say, but it seems that this publication goes against the grain, and it goes in unison with what the russian federation wants to push or has been pushing. did although indirect or direct evidence, too. we can't provide it yet, but it seems very likely that russia did it because it had to force the west to sing to its own tune, it didn't work out, now they're pulling out this trump card again and throwing it into the info again through reputable media space well, now the main thing is that the leadership of our country somehow reacts to this and objects to it because, well, even i know some germans who will read this article, and maybe they have already read it in spiegel, and they will believe it, unfortunately, so i really

want our management reported maximum efforts to disprove this and disprove it not here in ukraine, but specifically abroad through the ministry of foreign affairs and through the embassies of ukraine in foreign countries, mr. oleg, there is another interesting piece of information that appeared a few days ago between iran and the united states of america, it turns out that over the past few months, there have been secret negotiations, as a result of which the united states of america even made some concessions regarding the embargo on the sale of iranian oil and gas, and even there it seems iran has started supplying its oil, oil, non-gas, oil, oil to china. please tell me if washington can or is capable of now , well, at least a little bit, to drag tehran to the side of truth and to the side of good, truth and good,

hardly, but to create certain foundations for iran had points of conflict with russia. i think they can and that's why, look first there , the price immediately reacted to oil, uh , downward, and if i'm not mistaken, in this case or somewhere around it, i received information about what seems to be the united states also agreed with iran that it would not supply to russia e-e shaheeds and also components for them, it is clear that there is information that russia has already learned to do it almost independently, but most likely they were going from rana to complete the components , another case something very important without knowing this this is where the issue of iran not providing missiles to russia comes in, because russia is , as they say, 100 years ahead, but

for some reason they are begging all over the world , collecting weapons that they themselves once gave to other countries and weapons that the enemies of the west have, so i i think that the united states is doing it very competently, or it is very well, how would i say. it is more careful, it is a competent attempt to push away some wounds from russia and create a conflict environment. but whether it will work or not , time will tell about trends. i like it, it was necessary for me try to do much earlier ah good trends i also like them agree with you but see if in this case the united states of america somehow relaxes the sanctions and introduced against iran then here is jose borel the head of european diplomacy this morning there was information that he said that they are working and there will be a greater accumulation effect

, he meant western anti-russian sanctions, european union sanctions, mr. oleg , do you agree with mr. borel, because ah, look at the last package it was a month ago, it seems, and this package of sanctions itself was not included. there were more attempts to close the loopholes for bypassing the sanctions through other countries later on friday . rikard yoz, once again referring to the information he possesses, and he possesses the information very well. he said that in the near future, in the fall , it is not worth waiting for some new sanctions from brussels , but if you look at russia itself, then from the point of view of banal jurisprudence, i looking at what is happening there, i don't see any economic nation there. yes, i see some dry figures

that the economy is falling, but i don't see people getting worse. living so that industry stops working, do you agree with jozep borel that sanctions work i would really like them to work but do you agree i partially agree yes they work because they exist at least yes but i agree with you that the following trend is observed er the further the further the next each subsequent package of the first one is adopted longer than the previous one and it is actually designed to make the previous sanctions more effective so that they do not circumvent them. there, private manufacturers or some large corporations try to bypass them through other countries, this is also observed and here according to the 12th package, we understand that it will not come quickly. and i remember that zelensky, just

understanding this situation, he remembers that he said that a few weeks ago, a year ago, about missiles in which spare parts were not chinese and civilized education and that is why it is necessary to close these loopholes, therefore closing the loopholes is a necessity because they get used to sanctions very quickly, probably with this, for example , the analogy of iran, which lives under sanctions for a long time and manages to make some missiles and rockets and so on. that's why this is the way too it is necessary to pass, however, i am a supporter of a comprehensive approach without military success on the part of our country and sanctions. well, if military success and sanctions go hand in hand, or at least one catches up with the other, then this is the result. and if i alone will strangle nobody with sanctions, it will not work,

although you remember once upon a time there was an anaconda plan that gradually tightens the neck of russia and then russia suffocates and makes concessions to the civilized world there. it must be utopia, but hmm , you know, i don’t quite agree with what ordinary russians don’t feel, because to me ot today, it seems that the cry of one of the economic commentators, and there are experts, are they warmongers. and this economy , well, you can call it that, he was crying because the sanctions affect the fact that the ruble is conditionally falling. and the ruble fell and those who did before some drones fell on their knees, they uh, they found themselves in front of a broken trough , that is, on some micro level, uh , sanctions are more felt on the uh, macro level and here it is natural that

we should not count on the fact that the sanctions will be tougher, for example, i already know already i don't believe that they will be related to seedlings. and although logically it has been done for a long time, it has been done, so here we can agree that they exist, that they exert a certain influence on the economy of russia , but, unfortunately, not the one we would like , and why you mentioned ross tom, why are europeans afraid to introduce such sanctions against rosatom against russian diamonds? why? well, because it is not profitable . well, we understand that the sanction is i always draw an analogy with a sword or a knife that is sharp on both sides and it cuts as against whom so and the one who applies a dew there is in general more than europe because

the united states also has interests and i saw somewhere in the analytics that in order to prepare for a conditional such a gradual exit from this process of the west, there is something at least something or five years, you will need to be, well, less because i read it there for four months . that's why this report is why everything is clear here that his shirt is always closer to the body and that's why the dew there continues to exist, and it pisses me off that this happens against the background of constant threats russia, what the heck with our nuclear power plant, they took it over. therefore, this is a very bad story, because it shows that megate is not an effective body in its field, well, clearly, there is no need to go far, and the fact that this is

business dominates the worldview, because russia must be zeroed out. do not trade with her for the time being, some of the gaps are beneficial for our partners , unfortunately, this is also really , unfortunately, you and i started talking about prigozhin. prigozhin soaked, and because i haven't considered russia as a state for a long time, i consider it in two guises, as lytvynenko once said very well, er, and probably and he also paid for this with his life in one of his books, he wrote the following that while there is a world by the way, they missed a big terrorist organization there, which has 140 million members, which will shed a lot of blood. well, that’s me . it’s a verbatim quote, but if the audience is interested, it can be found on the internet very

easily, so if we take as a basis that it is a terrorist organization organization or more beautiful this let there be a mafia organization, then everything is logical here, i.e. the head of the mafia who plays his brigadier or whatever they are called there for the fact that he dared to question his authority while he questioned the authorities of putin's other entourage . putin did not touch him when he tried by god, he was executed and according to the laws of the mafia, it is beautiful and pompous, that is, you know how in these films. did he say something about putin at least once, and in all his episodes that he recorded, he always talked about this grandfather, i think that he was talking about the minister defense of sergei defense of sergei shoigu and it seems to me that he always glorified putin somehow and took it a little to the side

, well , he has this one at the very end. well, stalin, the same thing happened to gaddafi there . well, it starts to hurt and itch for everyone, and then the actions began. he went to moscow as a joke, yes, and uh, you will understand, well, it’s very bad that they forgive something, but they are very do not forgive their own fears. when he was afraid, he could not forgive himself, but he could not forgive the person for whom this fear was produced, and that is why putin was afraid of him. well, for me , it is again a subjective assessment because there are a lot of these assessments that this execution was postponed in time

and it was blurred at the end by the fact that putin seemed to even regret that well he was a good guy well, he was not always good , but he was useful, yes, and he passed it on to his relatives . hello, i think this is not the case that he is very worried about them there. i would somehow already be in their place tried to flee from russia because, as a rule, mafiosi come to the family, and the family is very well informed in prigozhina, because by the way, i do not envy them, although they deserved it, so if you take as a basis that mr. putin is the head of a mafia-mafia clan, then that's all it is logical but illogical that for some reason he tried to give his word and when my colleagues say so, he repeatedly threw it there, including and there except for the chinese leaders, in fact, at all of them. he

also tried to throw biden and someone else there and somewhere, but they are not representatives of the mafia clan, and prigozhyn was one of his own and he conditionally does not know that they did not give him a promise to save his life and then they executed him, and this is even again. sorry for the expression. he has to keep this word and he demonstrated that he is the next and that he can kill at any minute and that is why his surroundings were scared but it was 15 seconds they were scared but also started the next element when you are afraid of something you are not you produce fear, you want to get rid of it, and he is putin, fear is putin for the environment. of course, thank you, mr. oleg, for participating in today's program. thank you for your expert opinion, for your expert answers.

i got a lot of interesting answers to my questions about a lot of interesting things. well, what about the half a minute that i have left? wars thank you all for joining my question, 313 people answered my question, 5% believe that prigozhina's death was such an accident, 82% believe that it was a murder, and 13% have their own version, i wanted to read your versions, but you wrote so much that i just don't have time. i'm reading everyone after the program now. thank you for joining in the answers to questions and comments . well, what about us now, due to lack of time, i have to say goodbye to you, goodbye until next

monday, there will be new guests, there will be new topics it will be interesting, as always, my name is yuriy fizer, see you later, watch this week’s program collaborators, traitors from mariupol, which of the tv presenters became the mouthpiece of the kremlin, young people joined the service kudos to the occupiers and how the media are rebuilding the tv channel for russian propaganda, it helped a lot to restore this entire technical base, congratulations olena kononenko and this is a collaborator's program about traitors who went to serve the occupiers for the colonel's soul and wallet. today's episode is about the sellers from mariupol. russia's aggression continues not only on the battlefield, but also in the media space, the goebbels spread their propaganda in the occupied ukrainian territories, and some citizens of ukraine help them in this, our journalists learned the names of those media workers of mariupol who remained in the occupied city and went to cooperate with

the enemy, see more details below on november 4 last year , the enemy propaganda tv channel mariupol 24 started broadcasting in occupied mariupol. prior to that, local collaborators had been repairing the tv studio for several months in a row. because it, like other buildings, suffered significant damage as a result of russian carpet bombings, the majority of mariupol mass media workers left the occupied city for the territory controlled by ukraine and to some european countries, however, some of the television crews remained and did not just go to cooperate with the enemy, but built an entire local propaganda tv channel in particular, those people who worked in the free ukrainian flourishing mariupol, which was a shock for me, it was when young people young people transferred to the service of the occupiers, this was a shock before the full-scale invasion, mykola osichenko held the position of president