[000:00:00;00] congratulations, we have great news. we have managed to find another child who was wanted by us. this is 14-year-old nastya from the city of pavlograd in the dnipropetrovsk region . fortunately, everything is fine with the girl. she is alive and well, and the most important thing is that the child did not become a victim of a crime and is already with her family. by the way, they found nastya quite quickly and managed to do it in many ways thanks to the timely appeal of her mother, the woman did not hesitate and immediately reported her daughter's disappearance. now we cannot tell all the details of this story but i emphasize once again that if god forbid it happens that your child disappears, do not waste a single second and immediately report it to the police and the magnolia child tracing service, in such situations, without exaggeration, every minute is important, so please remember and it is better to write down the number hotline

of the child tracing service 116,000 zeros calls from all mobile operators in ukraine are free, may you never need this number, but just in case you need to know it, what prompted nastya to leave home is still unknown but in in adolescence, due to various reasons, this happens most often with boys and girls, and we know a lot of such stories . one of them is actually the story of 15-year-old alina. she is also from the dnipropetrovsk region . fortunately, the girl has already been found and disappeared . under rather mysterious circumstances, alina left home and warned that she was going to visit her friend, but she did not return home, she did not come ani that ani the next day, the parents raised the alarm, of course, immediately ran to the friend whom alina went to visit and it turned out that she had also disappeared, it became obvious that the girls had disappeared together, the search began urgently, in which, of course

, the child tracing service joined, and fortunately , alina's friend was found quite quickly at the station in the city of dnipro, it turned out that the girls decided to run away from home, however where is alina, her friend. unfortunately, the state did not know anything, we had a relationship with her and we ran away, god, it does not say anything, it says that we broke up with her, we all ran away, so despite the fact that her friend was found, there were still almost no clues about where she could be alina, why did she decide to run away? the girl's mother also couldn't explain. i don't know. everything was fine. i don't know. i'm at work. sashka, grandma , everything was fine at home. alina was being searched for almost two weeks, and suddenly a situation occurred that, as they say, you can't come up with on purpose. alina, being wanted, came to visiting her friend, and the mother of this boy. at that moment, she saw a program on television

about the search for a girl. she came to visit her friend and this boy. mother saw on television that she was wanted, that is, a video clip and how alina she came immediately, her mother called the village council, the village council already called the police and the police came and took her away , and this story is another proof of how important it is to quickly spread information about the search for a child, it really gives results and sometimes becomes decisive in the search, so i once again urge you to spread the word in particular posting information about missing boys and girls on your social media pages is the least you can do, but your activity can actually help find a missing child so, as usual, i ask you to go to the website of the child tracing service, please look at these boys and girls, they are all wanted. if you suddenly recognize someone, please immediately report to

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the words of the author of the ipativ list of the old russian chronicle. lechi i ne lena, will something force the many ukrainians who have now left the borders of ukraine under coercion or of their own free will to be beaten gloriously by others? at home we will talk about if it didn't sound like that well, it's possible rude and human resource that ukraine needs, that needs a lot in the european union, and here is this battle for people that is already being waged, that will be waged even more actively, what will it lead to and will it be able to the ukrainian government, first of all, the ukrainian society that is now in ukraine exists. i need to find this eushan-potion for me so that it will bring ukrainians home. so, eushan-potion for ukrainians, how to bring citizens home now or something. later we will talk with

our guests whom we invited to the conversation and we are already in touch with oleg penzen, a member of the economic discussion club . oleg, i congratulate you. i also sincerely congratulate you. where do i begin ? yesterday i read a story about the fact that a draft law was submitted to the german bundestag that reduces the necessary period of stay of foreign citizens on the territory of the federal republic of germany is necessary for these citizens to acquire the citizenship of the federal republic of germany. we are talking about reducing this period from eight to five years. well , sometimes they even say that it can be three years, and that's for me is such a signal that germany is obviously interested in many , i will not say that in all, but in many ukrainian citizens who are working today, realizing themselves, studying and building a new life in germany the same story is in poland, because i want many ukrainians in poland too. leave them in

their territory. i also remember the conversation of one of the ukrainian politicians with the ambassador of the republic of poland in ukraine, who said that we will fight for your citizens, we will fight because there are working hands and the light of the head and their energy is also needed , is there already a problem that ukrainian citizens will not simply decide for themselves whether to go home or not, and what about these ukrainian citizens in the european union at least in many countries of this union, they will fight for labor and demographic resources. well, you have made a very good summary, there are practically a lot of answers to those questions. what you just mentioned is in the information that you have already provided . first of all, look at the number of people we are talking about. officially, according to the data

of european institutions , 8.7 people left ukraine during the active phase of hostilities. this is too much, that is, something more left. returned, but of those eight and seven million people left for the european union directly, somewhere on the order of 5 1/2 million people, and somewhere on the order of 3 million people were forced to leave the territory of ukraine to the side of the aggressor country . that is, we must understand those things and we have to treat them accordingly, some of these people who went to the russian federation, then left through the baltic countries and then returned to ukraine or stayed in the european union, but at least there are such figures, why at the moment we are so is the importance of the reason for these figures, because hmm, it is necessary to understand that for the recovery

of ukraine, well, this applies to any other country, the money that comes in the form of investments. they do not solve the main issue, money is only money, it is a resource for creating a workplace, and actually the added value of the warehouse the domestic product is created by working hands , created by people, and today, according to the estimates of the ministry of economy, ukraine needs at least 5 million more working hands for a normal recovery, that is, it is a very important issue regarding the return of forcibly displaced persons to ukraine, and now we actually approach those problems that you just raised , that is, among those people, among those forcibly displaced persons who have currently left the territory of ukraine from the side of europe , relevant sociological studies were conducted, which revealed next, at least a third of those who left the territory of ukraine

will not return, that is , we are talking about those people who have already found a job, who have already found places for e-education for children who have already integrated into that society . where did they go? the lion's share of those people is today in poland, the czech republic, and slovakia. the conditions will allow it to be done, that is, the first very serious problem is the security conditions, and another third - these are the people who have not yet decided , that is, of the people who left, at least a third is ready to return, this is somewhere, well, in the best case, it is up to 2 million people

all the latest for today or are hesitating or are finally going to stay and see why at the moment our european partners so facilitate the process of naturalization of those people who actually went abroad as refugees , a ukrainian citizen, a ukrainian refugee is extremely attractive from the point of view of his as fast as possible naturalization of those the countries where they left why, because, look, first of all, a ukrainian dissolves very quickly in the society in which he is not, he very quickly adapts to those conditions, to those linguistic parameters that exist today in the countries of the european union. the society that comes is integrated very quickly. and now let's compare a ukrainian refugee with, for example, a refugee from the countries of the middle east, so

refugees from africa come to the european union . categories of businesses, as a rule, create their own sufficiently serious compatriots with their specific religion, with their, let’s say, clear and sufficiently rigid attachment to the language group, that is, as a rule, ukrainian business is extremely comfortable for the country where it comes he integrates very quickly, and why are the poles and germans raising the question today ? let's see what, well, the european union is rapidly aging at the moment. that is, they urgently need workers at the moment

, young workers who will work at those enterprises that are in the european union today moreover, those working hands should be integrated as quickly as possible into the existing society . well, there is an extremely interesting figure: every third child born, for example, in holland is a child born in a muslim family i don't want to say anything about the muslim religion, every person in the right-wing er-e has to tell you what they think is necessary, but the fact that at the moment er-e is similar, it says that for europeans, the actual integration of refugees into the society that exists dominant, which is the main thing in the european union, and uh, ukrainians are just the most uh, well, let's say

they are comfortable for countries from the point of view of their europeans, according to their psychology, uh , genotype, let's say, with all the pluses and minuses, ukrainians are uh, they are europeans what is the most important thing, they are ready to study and you rightly said they are not ready to integrate, here i am in that story that i know, let's say they are there , their relatives, close friends who went. well, it's a simple story, when you have to go to language courses, let's say in germany, ukrainians go despite everything, despite the fact that you have to ride a few kilometers on a bicycle, despite the fact that they are small children, they completed these courses and received certain certificates so that you can continue to work, unfortunately, let's say refugees from the countries of the middle east, as you said, or from african countries, mainly they did not finish these courses somewhere at some stage you simply covered up for them, they didn’t go anymore, well, that is, you will still give help there and you will still pay us , why?

about which we cannot help but say now that it is money, of course, the well-being of germany - it is industry or production with a large additional value, which ensures the poor life of these countries, and well, there is also the banking sector and so on. well, but mostly it is of course production with a high added value, ukrainians can learn this, this is where they want to attract ukrainians, because all this should work in such developed countries as austria and germany, and there and poland, which is currently growing, continues to grow money here it arises because well, a simple story is familiar to me, so yes, finding a highly qualified job right away, they can’t even find an official job right away , but everyone is trying to get an official job, but i’m familiar with it, let’s say doing some simple work there, cleaning offices or doing some other such things a person in austria has already paid off his car in ukraine with his job in a specialty with a higher education, he

couldn't do it, it's simple, it's clear that a person can return, can grow further to gain more knowledge of the world, she is a young person and to have an even better job , and here the question arises very simple. i am not talking about the issue of patriotism. it is either present in people or not present. we are now talking about simple such practical material things that motivate people. what does a person need? security and does not need food. a person needs money, it is the basis of the basic needs of a person, without which he cannot live and move. ukraine can now be said to be a very important figure. as of july of this year, ukraine has a record for external debt of such a total debt, it amounts to a few trillion. we are talking about, well, now i will tell you how many, 132 billions, billions,

not hryvnias , in my opinion. and dollars. and i will remind you that before the war, our budget was somewhere around 40 billion dollars, so we have to understand what a terrible money this is, and ukraine has huge problems with financial payments that it should not make in our country only in july, the debt increased by 4 billion dollars. only for july well, the question and here the question is completely disappointing, here is a question for you. please tell me what you think, whether ukraine will be able to lure ukrainians home with money. i am not saying, again, someone will come by himself, that is clear and correct, but many people will be needed lure, let me try to answer those questions. what did you say , first of all, the high added value that is produced in the countries of the european union is synonymous with high wages, that is, if you work at industrial enterprises where there is a high level of processing and production

of the final product, then objectively you produce a sufficiently large amount of added value, which then turns into high incomes, that is, you must understand that all european countries have a high level of income of citizens, not because they are sitting there on some er colonies and pumping oil from somewhere there on the contrary, they have a high level of income because they have high-tech production that provides high added value, and as a result, this is the result of such a high added value is high enough the income level of the population that lives in these territories and works at these enterprises , this is the first point for which i am saying this, until there is an appropriate level of high-tech production in ukraine, our wages will be low, no matter what we talk about with you there

ukrainians must be lured back with money, that is, it must be understood that even in ukraine there will not be an adequate level of processing as long as we trade raw materials with the civilized world, our income level will be low . that is, this is the first point that must be understood the second moment when you and i are discussing the question of how to return ukrainians to ukraine , this is actually the chance of the potion you are talking about, it is really a sufficiently high level of work, it is security, because as long as the war is going on, you and i will always be exposed to security situation and as long as rockets fly, as long as civilians are destroyed , we will not be able to organize the return of people to ourselves despite any conditions and another negative point, the longer

the war continues, the more they adapt to existence abroad, our refugees are with you. and when a person settled somewhere, when she found her place, when she integrated into the society she left, she will not return here. the war will be all the more difficult then to organize the return of ukrainians to their historical territories one more moment let's once again clearly understand what can happen after we receive the money when we create workplaces and when the ukrainians who left will not want to return, what will happen here and here will be what is always there when

a family goes from its land to this land, that outfit that does not have its own land comes to this land. that is, we can expect refugees from south-east asia , star workers here please excuse me for such a phrase from south-east asia from the military of central asia well, let's say those uh-uh who will be now you and i can't so we will have uh-uh those uh-uh development scenario which today we can see what is happening in the european union in the rich european union, that is, at the moment, why did such a huge number of social groups, let's say, social lands in the european union arise, they had a serious problem with the labor force, they created the conditions for that company's labor force to come into their own, which were actually ready

to share their population and they actually created the conditions when we arrived there and all the people we discussed with you are central asia , south-east asia, the near east, that is , the society itself, which is, well, quite difficult for integration, and you have to understand so uh, those people are ready to go to a low level of pay at the beginning because where they live, they have huge problems with uh, the standard of living, huge problems with the cost of labor, they are ready to come here and uh, there is a very high probability that we will have that scenario with you, what problems are there today in the developed countries of the european union, and unfortunately this scenario is not very good for the future

of ukraine why because let's look at the average number of children in a ukrainian family eat let's look at the average number of children in the eu in the country of refugees, for example, from central asia, from southeast asia, from the middle east, from african countries, well, that is the model that we are currently discussing, it is currently in the european union, which, let's say, has turned into an extremely large migration problem in the countries of the european union , so ukrainians need to return from the point of view of preserving their national identity . microcredit today, the state is somehow trying to create conditions

for, well, let's say so, mechanisms for the return of ukrainians, but yesterday, i repeat , it requires a lot of money, it requires large social programs. and you and i perfectly understand one more point. refugees yes let's name them let's look at the structure of those refugees a minute p oh well we have a minute left now yes in reality we have problems well the pensioners didn't leave we understand the pensioners are left with us old age the composition of the remaining ukrainians will age very much. and this is also a problem that will require, well, in our country, we understand that our pension system assumes that pension payments are paid by those who work. and if we have 10.5 million pensioners and there are still workers 15 million, it is necessary to understand that the incomes of pensions and pensions plus we have plus every day young people die. well, older

men also become crippled. this is also the facts. this is a very big, big problem that requires a lot of questions. so , well. we are just with you today them stated and how to solve them in this huge, we will still talk in any case thank you very much oleg oleg e penzen was with us in connection with him we talked about the economic economic component of this issue oleg pensin he is a member of the economic discussion club also today we will also have a conversation with maksym pylypenko , he is the communications director of the work.ua website, we will talk about how ukrainians are working abroad, what they are offered there and what kinds of workers ukraine needs now and what again after all, she can offer our citizens who today are forced, or of their own free will, who have left the borders of ukraine, stay with us we continue this is a very important topic and a very important conversation, but