[000:00:00;00] about roosters is that for them, the soviet union was er, well , such a country that ensured a balance of interests and did not give the americans, as the world master, the opportunity to act there to say all but the whites are part of the political class, intellectuals, and especially the street. they live in very simple narratives , simple ideas, and this is about the fact that the united states collapsed the soviet union, it would have happened very badly, and ukraine was the initiator of the collapse of the civil

of the union and therefore ukraine is, well, ukraine, which destroyed their beloved, er, their state , ot. it is possible to win, the second thesis is more like that, well, erdogan usually says so there, and many others , and russia is a profitable partner, and so, accordingly , business with the usual should be returned. and what happens there in europe, when whites fight whites we are not interested in meaning saudi arabia, let's say, it cannot be in such a position, it even has diplomatic relations with the soviet union, not a little before this soviet union, and it did not have biometric relations, well, times have changed and, er , the attitude towards america has changed, pledges have been changed, including to the past

a lot has changed and, unfortunately, not for the better. by the way, you trust the words of sergey lavrov, as he said that saudi arabia informed you that there was a peace meeting in ukraine without the participation of russia, that everyone was convinced so that such issues are not resolved with the participation of russia no, of course, this is part of political political verbal equilibrium, as you know, yes, that is, in this case , the idea itself is to discuss the future world without the participation of russia and the future peace, and the world order , in principle, it is absolutely logically, the other thing is that all the same to them, at least half of those who were present, and even more, all told the russians everything about everything that happened there, well, pray, mr. igor. that is,

we can imagine the picture that will end- the war ends and russia will not win this war. i'm very yes, i'm not diplomatic here, and i'm even diabolically speaking, and then people have, well, if visibility for the middle east no, it's not a fact , russia is not a factor. we can't rely on it, it was once a factor, now it's not a factor of how uh-uh such a version is possible in general for leaders maybe they are in such and not such a variation, but it is possible and even more, perhaps you are more important, it is the subjectivity of ukraine ukraine's entry into nato, the entry of european union countries, economic development in this will also create a different attitude towards ukraine in the east

, primarily in the countries of the global south , because it is a different weight and other opportunities, different resources, and then they will be more ready to listen. they will cooperate, there will be queues for their visits to the prime ministers of some countries who still cannot come, they will go every month and so on, that is, but for this we need to change and strengthen subjectivity, that is, in principle , to achieve the goals that we have before ourselves it became including when we went to the square thank you very much ihor vasyliovych, the director of the center for middle eastern studies, was with us. thank you, mr. ihor, for finding time for us on friday evening. now we will have an advertisement, and then we will talk about religious issues

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about the fact that well, vitaliy says that this is just such a narrative that has always been lying somewhere in the vatican that the russians should be praised, we should talk about great russia, about mother russia, about the pope , those civilizational achievements, so that they like me, how can the catholic community of the russian federation like me, the youth and me today, loyola i wouldn't have done worse. yes, he just javas like that. well, talk like that and that's all . he said that, well, we definitely did during the war, especially during the war. he evaluated it with the opposite sign. i thought about this and found the answer right away to your first question. what was it? it was another expert from pope francis, not very well thought out, unprepared, of course, which consisted of some of this fragmentary knowledge about russian history a-a and er-e desire

eh really how did you correctly say to adapt to your audience and convey to them a certain message eh i think the french message was to remain russian but to be different russians than eh that is what putin wants from you uh, i think he didn't succeed very well, uh, he didn't succeed in conveying what he wanted to say, but at least that's what he wanted to say . so, uh, mr. vitaly is correct in noting that there is a long-standing policy of the vatican towards russia there is such a special relationship between the vatican and russia, and it goes back, well, at least i don’t know, to the beginning of the 20th century , you can go even further to the memory of empress catherine, who actually saved the jesuit order when it was banned all over europe, and catherine actually gave shelter jesuits here can speculate a lot about what exactly

it was triggered, so to speak, in the mind of pope francis. why did he mention her? why did he mention peter? in any case, it turned out very badly, and the pope, who is well-known , immediately realized the failure of his statements , so he immediately became an official of the vatican. the press officer gave such a new explanation for the divorce, maybe we will hear some more, again, in the form of yes, an explanation from pope francis himself, no well, this is the thesis that you should be different russians , at least in ukraine. this was read what we talked about and it was simply not read at all, somehow it was veiled a lot, he himself probably would not have understood what he wanted to say, well at least that he had such a set and er here the important thing is not that even understanding is not that

what did he want what did he want to say and what did pope francis say, what did we as ukrainians want to say, and it seems to me more important to analyze our reactions to this statement and it also seems to me that in these reactions it is very important to separate emotions from rational ones, and more often i have seen emotional reactions uh, the reaction of such a reaction to treason, which is called uh, so they almost cursed pope francis there and uh, uh, equated him with some very negative figures of the past , instead, it seems to me that our reaction should be rational rationality, or it consists of here what is it? pope francis is a real, very loud voice in those regions of the world whose support ukraine really needs . we don't need to explain much to the west, to the global west, what we are doing, what we are

fighting for, it's all the same, you know. on our jargon to say that preach to the choir eh preach preach to the sick you can spend spend spend your time of the population in principle the effect will be added value from this will be small that we really need eh our to show attention this is the global eh south and pope francis represents the segment of the global rooster that is the farthest away from us , this is the west. the southern part of the globe is actually the opposite part of the hemispheres - these are the balls of the globe, and there, in fact, it is extremely difficult to break through to ukraine with its negatives. we are trying, someone some amateurs are trying, a little bit, the ministry of foreign affairs is trying to do it, but in reality, who has tried, who understood that it is the same as fighting against a wall because of er, so we actually have a unique voice of pope francis, which is really er

, you can hear it there, especially in such the countries of argentina or brazil, well, latin america, or let's take africa or take the philippines, where there is a huge number of catholics, etc. i know people from those regions who read exclusively the catholic press, they are just the press if they don't read so that you understand. they read catholic newspapers. they read what pope francis said on 100 or other occasions. they don't have any other sources of information, even though i spend part of my time in los angeles, where there are a lot of mexicans , people from latin america, it's also a subculture where the voice the church and pope francis personally, it is very good to hear more that he speaks in his native spanish , in a latin american dialect, in spanish , and uh, let's just silence this voice , suddenly there, to catch him, well, it's just like putting yourself in the foot. sorry, that's true. i

of course, emotions win over our rationality, i will add to what panutus said, the pope during the second world war is often criticized, but no one knows what kind of superpowers the fascists used on the germans so that the pope would not say anything, because for the catholics of germany, this is absolute authority and hitler literally said if he now says stop fighting, then half of the german army will stop fighting, and this is then a defeat for hitler, and that is why there were super efforts to ensure that he did not support anyone , sit quietly, do not say anything, because everyone did you understand the authority of the papal throne? and my question is yes. and my question is different, mr. kirill. look, isn't this some kind of bigger mistake than what we are saying, despite all the correct words that i absolutely support here about the authority of the pope, but the

greek-catholic community of ukraine knows this. greek-catholics are patriots, and they fight fiercely, and that’s it. i’m not saying that they fight worse than the orthodox. but they don’t have a pope. yes, but they don’t have that moment when the pope says that something is missing a micro-scale, maybe a micron error, it can to reflect on the position on the position of those who are faithful to the greek-catholic church and oh-oh-oh, well, first of all, this is the position. this is not a small mistake, it is a big mistake that he made. really had a very bad effect on the greek-catholic community in fact. we saw the statement of the greek-catholic church of the ukrainian greek-catholic church , a very, very harsh statement, in fact, which simply directly criticizes pope francis. as far

as i know, this annoyed him a lot. by the way and the harshness of the tonality chosen by the greek-catholic church , nevertheless, what interests me the most is not the emotions of even the ukrainian greek-catholics , but how they perceived it and how uncomfortable it is to feel now from these words. papa's faction to say that i, for example, am personally interested in how ukraine as a state as a nation can take advantage of this, that it will win without these words or lose, of course, these words will be used immediately, but they will be used there, russian propaganda piskov made one statement, his interpretations, others uh, russian spokespeople made other uh, such favorable statements in relation to the pope, but no one particularly believes these propagandas , and uh, i think we should condemn these words of the french pope. his dissatisfaction with these words, but also to understand that pope francis is still on the ukrainian side, but he had such an evolution of

his attitude towards this war, he started and entered this war with russia, a professional, more neutral, in fact, early distance and in him a very sharp evolution took place, i would even say a revolution, a bit of a latin american model a-a toward ukraine drift toward ukraine i sometimes describe the statement i follow the statements about pope francis like a sine wave they go up down up down what did he say that will please russia what did he say what will ukraine like and it goes along the sine wave, these extra people sometimes get lost, their heads are spinning, but if we see this whole sine wave, we can see that it is actually all the time leaning in the direction of ukraine. it has a very clear trend to drift towards ukraine and this is very important. this should be appreciated because it is our huge resource in those regions that

listen first of all to the voice of pope francis to the catholic church, and i say this as an orthodox, not as a catholic . i am not interested there how is pope goose treated in the catholic world, or will his status as the head of the catholic church be affected by this, his teachings about not sleeping , etc., the only thing that interests me is how useful, useful, how useful can his rock be, useful and may be his role in the promotion of ukrainian interests in the world, in particular in the global south, and it seems to me that this is a very important role, which we should in every way appreciate and encourage him, and we can influence him to fulfill this role.

pope and ukraine's victory. i don't know how to talk to the nun there, or i don't know how to send a special envoy, i just don't imagine how it's possible . now he wants to apologize as normal , that is, take two or three steps closer to ukraine , and we're here right away to make him some kind of proposal good, and he will say something for the global south, the only thing is that there is no need to prove anything, he is absolutely pro-ukrainian , he is an archipelagic, he is an annalist there by origin, and he absolutely understands the ukrainian situation completely on the side of ukraine, and he also suffers a little from the statements that are sometimes made by those from the vatican, eh, but eh. i think that what will actually come out of this situation? what, uh, i hope it is normal with this pope. he is always unpredictable and can be very impromptu. but it seems to me that he will think once more. impromptu to say and it seems to me that he will blow more on the water already when uh

when after the milk then we will announce but but i know that on the other hand dad is now in ondanter today well we could understand if dad was in such a physical condition in such a state that he could not fly to ukraine or at least to the border with ukraine, well, this is a clear old man, as much as he likes it. yes, but if a person is healthy enough to fly to mongolia and fly to his homeland , which is suffering from the war, well, at least not to the point of lack let it fly, there is nothing there to pray, well, it also looks strange. do you understand that it is strange, of course, when it comes from the vatican, for example, the explanation that the pope cannot fly to ukraine because his health does not allow it, then of course it is simply a search for excuses not to fly, it’s not a reason, it’s unpleasant, it’s a catholic country, mongolia, well, in italy it’s a complete offense

, it’s a right, but he has the opportunity, you and i didn’t fly to lamator so easily, it’s a physical , physical excuse, that is, it’s so expensive, and yet a person flies and acts he meets people and prays well, well, now they are discussing different options for the pope’s visit to ukraine. ukraine is not only a catholic country and an orthodox country, so even the possibility of a joint visit of patriarch bartholomew and pope francis is being considered as an option, but for now , this visit is in the near future as far as i know, there is nothing special planned for pope francis, and this is his personal position. and what you said is interesting. that is, it is already happening at some level of negotiation that bartholomew will come and pope francis. to say that mykola answers that to the question that the pope i want to apologize just before the flight to mongolia, the pope met with

young lovers who helped ukraine, there was a special identification for these coins and we will forgive him, there is nothing to add that in fact this infamous meeting of the pope with young russians by catholics , the telecast was held literally a week after the very important meeting of the pope with the ukrainian language in portugal. there was a personal reserved meeting with children, teenagers from ukraine, including those who lost their parents and who suffered because of the war, and it was actually a very, very nice warm meeting, and i think that in fact it prompted the organizers from the vatican to go to a meeting with russian youth in order to balance this meeting with the ukrainians a meeting with the russians well, you see what came out of it, thank you kyrylo gorun, doctor of philosophy , professor at the university college of stockholm and

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