[000:00:00;00] sliva would rely on other rhetoric. but you and i must understand that there are actually a lot of potential challenges for him personally and frankly, nobody talks about it, and our partners don't talk about it, and the most obvious challenge for me is how to organize work under during the war, during the recent shelling , the work of the polling stations, that is, certain units, let's say, units that are clearly located at a certain specified address, when we have already seen , for example, the situation in chernihiv, when any an event where there is a clear address and a clear time is a suitable object for a russian missile attack. can you imagine these people at the event who actually speak publicly about zelenskyi gray, in particular , a republican senator, the american president-parry tony cox and when they say

that the election it is necessary to carry out even during the war. what do you think, you do not realize this ? i think they simply do not realize, they simply do not realize what is happening here. well, for example, they can pay attention to the situation in the same in the united states, for example, elections were actually held there during, for example, the second world war, other conflicts, but they found the same military conflicts on the territory of the united states, and the territory of the united states was not bombed at that time, so, in principle, they could conduct it there everything from the point of view of the relevant democratic procedures and then report everything about it. but they just have the feeling that they simply have no idea what is happening here and that, in principle , a rocket can fly anywhere and let's calm down the situation yes, we are holding elections. well, it is absolutely obvious that this will be a challenge for russia, and

they will try to gather the maximum number of missiles in order to hit the maximum number of polling stations , just so that later they can suck it all up and say, look, what this democracy has brought ukrainians to. look at all these explosions , all these terrible victims, and how then with this beggrand in the ukrainian government, build legitimacy, build stability in ukrainian society. for example, i like what fox says. well, they they may be imperfect, it may not quite meet our standards, it suits us, it suits you, it suits you, and the ukrainians are satisfied with the ukrainians or not, because it is ukrainians who hold elections for themselves, and ukrainians must choose the government for themselves, not you, mr. petrenko, it must first of all be a legitimate government for ukrainians and be perceived as legitimate by ukrainians. and for this, ukrainians must have clear procedures, a clear understanding of how it

happens, how they vote, and so on. lenci graham, because he is well, it seems like one of the most active advocates of providing ukraine with advanced weapons, he was one of the first, if i'm not mistaken, to say that the united states should recognize russia as a state sponsor of terrorism, and he was one of the first to advocate for the allocation of modern fighter jets, so what are the risks? for ukraine, if it does not listen to these advices, what in the west will they want to continue to help, or what will they have questions about in the future? time, there are some risks here. what do you think, well, if it is, for example, a long time, a really long time, then there are probably risks, but i think that in any case we will adapt to various conditions, and i do not think that, for example

, postponing the elections to the 24th year is will not at all mean postponing the elections there for years or decades, because in any case , after some time, elections will be held in ukraine , i am more than convinced of this. but i think that we need to build a sufficiently constructive discussion with our partners constructively in what context. well , for example, what could be the minimum necessary condition for holding elections in ukraine even under conditions of war? well, personally, i see it that way. what, for example, if the entire territory of ukraine is more or less reliably protected by an air defense system, well , at least this will allow us to talk about the possibility the holding of elections in ukraine as an election there will be many other relevant nuances, for example, the voting of military personnel and their participation in the elections , the voting of refugees, but at least it will be

some kind of starting point, we need to build a discussion with ukraine's western partners in this way. okay, let's build it together and work on it. let's make it possible for elections to be possible in ukraine, let it take the 24th year, for example. when will it all be possible there, and then we'll return to this issue so that we don't just tick the box that, for example, we held elections in our democracy, but in order for us to actually be able to hold at least somewhat normal democratic elections that would not turn into a humanitarian disaster in to ukraine, i want to recall what president maria tina cox said in an interview with european pravda. he specifically mentioned the idea that it is possible to vote online and not necessarily go to the polling stations. now i want to ask not about whether it is possible to vote online voting, as far as it is technically possible. and if they do come to the idea that elections should be held

, there is another problem. politicians are there to criticize the government, as it usually happens during free elections during peacetime, there are also some threats, in your opinion, there are certainly threats. well, really, elections cannot be without criticism and unrequited accusations, i don't know any democratic state that would not do this in the appropriate way but on the other hand, it is necessary to maintain the appropriate potential of mobilization in society against external threats , such as at the same time, for example, criticizing certain decisions and experiencing devastating criticism, asking devastating criticism, and then to wait what, for example, mobilization will take place in our country, support for certain decisions will be provided, well, the issue is quite complex and non-trivial, to put it mildly, and it is quite a serious threat, especially for ukraine as a state that, well, so far we

cannot say that it has built a system of sufficiently stable and viable political institutions that would act as guarantors against any relevant steps and movements, such as those or other representatives of the political elites. well , again, regarding electronic voting and maybe for someone you give such an easy, simple solution , but i repeat, we need not just to ensure the formal holding of elections, we need them to be perceived as legitimate by ukrainian society. i just remember all the numerous surveys that we had even before the war and the idea of ​​electronic voting in ukraine is, to put it mildly, ambiguous, because we have a corresponding traumatic experience, the year 2004 transit server, all these there are other problems related to this, so here the question is again not just to announce electronic

voting needs to be perceived as a legitimate format for conducting elections by ukrainian society, and so far i honestly do not see it, thank you very much for joining our broadcast, there are really more questions about the possible conduct of voting, conducting elections in ukraine during the war, than answers and we continue to follow about this topic, since it is more and more seriously entering the public space , officials are already talking about it, and in particular , the president of ukraine was in contact with us , the political scientist petro oleschuk. thank you for joining ether well, in the ukrainian territories occupied by russia, voting has begun in the so-called elections to the state duma and local bodies of the russian occupation authorities, this voting conducted by russia must be completed by september 10 in the occupied parts of kherson zaporozhye, donetsk and luhansk regions , this voting is not recognized by ukraine or the international community the mayor of mariupol, who is in the territory of free ukraine, says

that russian troops are forcing people under occupation to vote at gunpoint the so-called local elections are ongoing in the territories not occupied by russia. the war continues and russia is trying to strengthen its power by appointing new officials . reuters journalists in the russian-controlled city of mariupol observed how some residents voted using their new russian passports. peace came as soon as possible, many people fled from the regions occupied by russia, these territories suffered the greatest destruction of the war , the mayor of mariupol is in exile, vadym boychenko claims that the residents of mariupol vote under the muzzles of machine guns, it is called fictitious elections and it is also necessary to see what they will go around as they already did it

, they went around the apartments and talked to people nearby. what should be done i will do russia does not fully control any of the four regions where the so-called elections are held donetsk luhansk zaporizhia and kherson each of the regions has governors appointed by moscow all of them are members of the political association of president volodymyr puti united russia all of them are now running for full terms ukrainian authorities consider the elections illegal, they say this shows why it is impossible to conduct any peace negotiations with moscow until russia withdraws all its troops from the territory of ukraine and now to the procession around the kyiv-pechersk lavra my colleague from the scheme project, maksym savchuk, prepared a material about the changes that took place in the lavra

after the former vicar of the monastery uoc mp pavlo and metropolitan onufriy left the territory of the reserve. let me remind you that 5 months ago, archimandrite avraami ye announced his transition to the orthodox church of ukraine, and the primate of the orthodox church of ukraine epiphanius appointed him acting vicar of the monastery . the orthodox church of ukraine maksym savchuk , together with his team, prepared a great a video interview with avraamiy and visited those places where journalists have not had the opportunity to get to, this material will be available for viewing tomorrow on the youtube channel of radio svoboda nu and for now we offer an announcement. i think you have never filmed such unique footage anywhere

. this is this room. this is where the fate of the uoc of the moscow patriarchate was decided. this person loved the peace of the branch. message where there is ugu , that is, on the territory of the lavra and at the service of the moscow patriarchate , including the russian agent , a prayer was held here for the health of russian prisoners of war in the cities of ukraine and a sauna is the space was closed, this clergyman marchenko, is he now in ukraine or has he left for the lavra, the author of the material is already in contact with us maksym savchuk maksym i congratulate you , i congratulate you sashko tell me what has changed in these five months, how has the lavra changed after its left the higher clergy of the uoc mp well, first of all, now the orthodox church of ukraine conducts divine services in the assumption

cathedral, it is conducted in the ukrainian language , the parishioners have changed in general, because if before the lavra was visited mainly by, well, from my point of view, parishioners who are either neutral or even well, with a certain nostalgia, they warmly retired to the russian federation to patriarch kirill. now we spent the day in the lavra, we saw that there were quite a lot of military personnel, it was august 24, independence day. they visited the temple, people wore embroidered national clothes. more pro-ukrainian and every month because more people learn about the services of the orthodox church of ukraine, premises are already provided to the orthodox church of ukraine on the territory of the lower lavra, which in general they could not even dream about before, because

since 1988, the russian orthodox church, represented by the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, considered this territory its homeland, but at the same time, part of the monks, that is , if we are talking about the vicar of the uoc mp e-e monastery actually, he left this territory for obvious reasons. onufry left his residence, well, such ordinary monks still occupy some buildings, despite the fact that their lease agreement with the state expired on march 29 of this year, as far as i remember, that is about the complete cleansing of the territory of the lavra reserve from the monks of the moscow patriarchate and at the moment there is no talk , but this process i think will gradually continue and gradually there will be fewer and fewer of them, well, maxim, you talked to us about the news of the avenger avraamiy, and it is possible

he told you. and how do the monks of the uoc mp and the ptu get along now, and how do they coexist there ? now the situation is the next, oh, reserve , the commission has finally started to work, and now the situation there is such that the police control the situation completely on the territory of the lavra, in particular, the lower lavras so that neither the monks nor the parishioners of the moscow patriarchate could forcefully take over again those premises that were sealed in accordance with the fact that the lease agreement has expired, that is, the police are now monitoring that there are no provocations and that there is no such thing as we saw in the spring of this year so far the situation is under control, although of course well, there is a provocation regarding the governor of the new ptsu monastery, that is, many monks have not forgiven him for this transition and this step and consider

him a traitor, they say he betrayed onuphria, although at the same time avraami says that he did not betray betrayed the church. and he left because he could no longer remain in this structure, or because of those pro-russian forces that began to dominate the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, and because he told avraham exactly how you reacted, the leadership itself, not, if you can put it that way, medieval people. and those who actually onufriy pavlo pavlo did he have any conflict with them, perhaps, from the words of archimandrite onufria himself, he did not react at all and did not have a conversation with them on this matter, and from bishop pavlo, better known as pasha mercedes received several messages in the style without bishop pavlo himself, where there were accusations and curses and quotations from the bible. that's it. well, pavlo said that he would not forgive such a step, but we now know where

pavlo is, and the criminal proceedings are ongoing . i.e., there was a very sharp reaction from the former city of the uoc mp, the monastery in fact. there really is such a fact about er-er about these reports. avraami told us maxim's interview at the end. in the announcement we talked about the fact that it was possible to photograph such premises, the journalists had not been there before, what was interesting ? this is a very large area of ​​the premises, which probably does not correspond to what a monk has, because there are rooms there and several bathrooms . there are a lot of rooms, there is actually a kitchen, and

the most important thing is that we managed to capture it. and what the ordinary monks, who in fact, they lived there because it was a closed object in the basement of the a-a residence of the former residence of metropolitan onufriy, equipped with a sauna, a bathhouse, and we managed to photograph this object, that is, relatively speaking, very simply, metropolitan onufriy, despite the fact that he declared that he leads a very modest lifestyle, here is his residence where he lived since 2016, where a major renovation was carried out especially for him after the previous head of the uoc mp, well, this lifestyle does not correspond to monasticism. we managed to to film everything he left there, although it is icons , portraits of patriarch kirill, and the rest of such precious items, furniture and

decorations, they were taken away, there were shots , including radio svoboda, showed about it , but to disassemble the bathhouse and sauna in the basement, well, that was it is technically impossible, avrami says that this basement needs to be sealed because nobody needs it and it will absolutely not correspond to the monastery that they are planning to build already as a psu maksym i still want you to ask about the new governor avraami, and yet he was five months ago when you made this decision, and can you say how long he existed in the system of the church of the moscow patriarchate before that and whether it became for him why precisely five months ago for him it became such a significant point, the last straw, it is worth looking at in an interview. but to put it briefly, the system of the uoc mp was made in such a way that if a monarch

says that he is leaving the uoc mp and wants to go to the ptu, he is automatically evicted avraami decided to find him from the territory of the lavra, not hm avraami, decided to find him in this way, but waited for the time when they received the tomos and when they were already terminated, the term of the lease contracts for these buildings with the uoc mp was ending, and he had a desire to continue serving the lavra and not just be exiled from e monastery well, why did you expel him, the clergy of the uoc mp, that's why already after the changes at the state level began , when the state realized that the uoc mp should not be in this territory, he made such a statement that he was transferring, but he accordingly, his epiphany remains as acting governor, that is, the logic is as follows. if he had announced this earlier , then we simply expelled him from there on the same day

. and so, the orthodox church of ukraine received a person who served for a long time and he knows the territory of the reserve itself well. hmm , he is a person who took such a patriotic step. to give a start the monastery of the orthodox church of ukraine although he says that a long time ago he had intentions to transfer from the uoc mp maxim did you manage to communicate with the monks who among them are now in a mood with the monks of the ptu or the uoc mp actually with everyone who is there now if there is a difference, please tell me about

this, too , the situation is such that the monks of the uoc mp are very aggressive, especially after the events of march. voiced uh, avraami and uh, well, we haven’t received any answers yet, but we specifically asked about the lifestyle of uh, monks of such a non-high echelon of the military police, how can they explain this whole luxurious lifestyle that was there ? answers so far it is not possible, it is possible that it will appear in relation to the supporters of the orthodox church of ukraine. that is, this is the religious structure headed by epiphanius, and they are also trying to find a conflict with the monks of the uoc mp. to say conflicting uh well

there is a conflict situation, but there is no direct confrontation, of course, i want to remind you that the full interview of maksym savchuk from the radio svoboda project with archimandrite abraham , who is now the new deputy head of the kiev-pechersk lavra, will be tomorrow on the youtube channel of radio svoboda, so don't miss it well, we were contacted by the author of this interview, maksym savchuk, on this svoboda life is coming to an end. thank you for watching, if you like our work, put the lectures on the broadcast and subscribe to the pages of radio

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the topic for our conversation and the reason for our conversations are the decision of the european union, which simplified the rules regarding e-e arrested as part of sanctions , assets confiscated as part of criminal proceedings, which must be transferred to ukraine, he at least started negotiations with the governments of the eu countries regarding the relevant directive, the directive is an analogue of the ukrainian word law in the european union a- and at what stage of these negotiations have the countries of the european union already reached some kind of agreement regarding the fact that the assets of russians arrested under the sanctions regimes will be transferred to us? i want to start answering here this question, i will remember that recently