[000:00:00;00] well, already in the back, because well, near the trunk, you will lose honor, you need to call someone egypt , kateryna suggests that her sister was framed by local collaborators, that she was given by people who decided to earn money, as if she is pro-ukrainian, that is, there is a partisan in our country who will receive a full million rubles on november 24 in russian tv channels aired a story about the kidnapping of a terrorist group in melitopol, which was allegedly led by yanina akulova, in this video from the fsb, yanina admits

her guilt about the e-bomb, i knew from the words of the occupiers that the ukrainians planned to carry out the terrorist attack on the riga market now they face from 12 to 20 years of imprisonment or life imprisonment adviser of the human rights center change nataliya okhotnikova says that currently the russians try kidnapped ukrainians much more often and there are several reasons why, first of all, in our opinion , the russians are not so successful in may, who seemed to be on the battlefield and they are trying to shift the focus of their propaganda to the fact that they are fighters against terrorism and extremism, that is , they are so pathetic, let's say, the moment they get some of these trials are

closed and they happen actually for intimidation in order to interact with a certain number emotionally especially on the players of the occupied territories and secondly they are thus stuffing valuable raise the price to these people and they are trying to impose their rules and say that we because we them they were accused of being saboteurs, now they are also military, so let 's exchange them for our military. after that , almost all propaganda media wrote about yanina. look, we detained a woman and two men. internet and when yanina, that is, there are a lot of russian sanctions on her, why the occupiers make great terrorists out of civilians is unknown. nataliya

okhotnikova suggests that maybe it is because of the excessive love of russians for all kinds of conspiracy theories, russians, you see. they really like all these mystical stories or something such pathetic stories, that is, sometimes they choose people precisely on this basis, for example, one such example is a girl from mariupol, she wanted to honor the memory of her grandmother and grandfather and took their surname and everything would be nothing but this surname bulk and for well, imagine for propaganda, for example, a story about a mass saboteur who in mariupol there they have 50 kg , that’s fine, but i don’t know if she’s there another 50 kg conditionally, she took explosives with her there on a bicycle , planted them and so on and so on, that’s how relatives found out that i am nina, she is already in moscow, she is being received in sizo-lefortovo, her relatives hired a private lawyer for nina, he was admitted to her

only at the beginning of this year. he informed what condition yanina was in. she constantly cried and constantly repeated that she missed her relatives, she could not understand what yes due to poor nutrition, yanina lost 15 kg, and it also turned out that after the abduction, the occupiers beat yanina very badly . kateryna recounts her sister's words and what she said . and you didn’t beat me, he says they beat off all my organs, he says it was something and i agreed to everything so that they wouldn’t touch me, he says after that, he says i

healed in the pit for 1.5 months, he says and when i healed, i already sent me to refort i nina not only beat but they also tried to break her morally and said that the parents refused one thing and well, they did it so that she would suppress her, it turns out that the husband divorced and they were looking for me because i was looking for her and this is the kind of psychological violence the russians do to kidnapped ukrainians, says the advisor of the center for human rights, nataliya okhotnikova for the sake of their goal, the occupiers even use photoshop and forge documents , a very typical story about this is to tell about relatives, threaten relatives or blackmail relatives. we recorded one of the episodes, this is their

there was a man, he did not want to pronounce himself, and in order to break his will , they showed him some kind of printout or something saying that part of his family had died, he was sure and only after a very long time because of people who were there unofficially again they gave him some information, they told him that his wife was alive and he couldn't believe it, that's why this lie was so good , now yanina doesn't cry anymore, she tries to hold on , that she will come back soon, iryna says to her dreams that her sister's premonitions come true, that i

nina found herself at home as soon as possible and then they will again gather at the same table as a whole long family. well, when together with me, it is better that nothing can be simple. once again , there is still no procedure for the return of civilian hostages , but we rely on publicity. we hope that the international community will be interested in the fate of yanina akulova and will support her. the release is shared with the national police and the national information bureau, we are ready to help everyone, so if you know anything about people in search

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the energy of indomitability burns in the hearts of ukrainians documentary project today at 10:10 p.m. we welcome you friends thank you to everyone who joined us today nationwide telethon on channel 1+1 as usual, on fridays at this hour we have an evening studio and this is a discussion studio. narratives because, for example, after i talked with the president, i had absolutely such an idea about how we start the new year and we turned a page and we start writing some new

story and you know i can say that i do not know how much you will tell me whether i am right or wrong, but judging by what is happening at the front and judging by what is happening there , such active actions by drones have begun on the territory of the russian federation. that is , we are entering a new stage this is a stage and to what extent he escalates the previous situation or , on the contrary , muffles it, at what degree do we start new relations with the world, so let's discuss all this today. romanenko, co-founder of the ukrainian institute of the future, also andrii liga , doctor of economic sciences, professor of the shevchenko national university of kyiv , welcome to the air, friends, yes, the question is actually a question, i would like to say first of all, thank you to mr. andrii, and i would like to say thank you to mr. yurii for the fact that

i actually took the examination, and it was thanks to you , and i talked to mr. andrii on the eve of this interview, we talked about business, the feeling of business from the current situation, and broadcasts yuriy, i look just as carefully because not yuriy has a lot and which give different directions, this is both the economy and the political direction and many people from the front, and that's why , of course, after making such a cut , this interview took place, and that's why the directions of this interview i were actually like that, but uh, when i asked a question about corruption, the president , you remember, said that it's obvious that the internal track that worries is really corruption, and that's why i suggest starting with this and starting the interview, they also started with this, uh, i i will tell you that some people took this thesis about the comparison of punishment for corruption to treason as the main feature uh, yes, everything else, well, the second topic we have for

discussion is for the elections, but unexpectedly , it seems that the topic has already died out, so much was said about it, but we really had to react on a specific statement by senator linsey graham, who actually has american roots , and not everyone knows this context. than in our country, in our country, the majority is more critical of this topic , the president reacted and lyzunov in a new , new round, they went to discuss it in another round, the parliament and the european commission also actually said kukshi in may, yes. yes, well, stefanchuk in july, it is already possible, david from the washing party, it was so, yes , but nevertheless, the discussion is taking place with such a paradoxical context, let’s say so, eh , most of all there is discussed here, rather,

they criticize this idea, eh, another paradoxical moment for me, literally next the other day, a german journalist i know called one of the well-known german publications and said, i have a feeling that in the west these interviews are discussed more than in ukraine, only certain topics, not the interview as a whole , yes, although there were discussions of the interviews i'm there on separate broadcasts, but that’s the way it was. there was a feeling that more attention was paid to us at the event, although in my opinion , it’s not quite the case. and in relation to the parameters of the war, yes, well, it is clear that it was aimed at the west, and they picked it up, so after the elections , too, in fact, a whole series of tessa was rather to the

west. well, we have very little about crimea says although in fact, well, it is very important there, they also forgot how they reacted to crimea, because the statement sounded like this, i will not be able to present now that we will liberate crimea through political means. yes, i am not new, but there was also talk about demilitarization, volodymyr , it was not new but now there are new conditions, that is, how it was interpreted there, but in a different way, in fact, now the feeling is the same from the interview , too, that we are not at a crossroads, on the one hand , the escalation of the war, but on the other hand, in the context of the present topic of future negotiations, there will be won't they, if we are talking about a diplomatic way to solve the problem of crimea, it means that the topic of negotiations is present . it seems to me that everyone in this interview perceives different theses as he sees, but in this particularity there is his own special , yes, and that is why he interprets it differently

to interpret individual theses in different ways , there are still theses that seem to me to be quite unambiguous and so. interlocutors or those who are trying to convey some information fall under such very weighted, specific questions from the president that do not allow him to attract any nonsense to him, but at the same time, it seems to me that there is still a lack of strategizing in the state or greater depth in and in state thinking and in state affairs, and this is what concerns corruption - this is the same question that has gone round again in a circle, what is the constant stretching in us, business says, they demand bribes , business says that it is pressuring us, state

structures are very different from twenty structures who are putting pressure on us, deal with this, at the same time, it is absolutely known that business really optimizes the payment of taxes, business is really forced to pay bribes and the argument that we have had enough of, mr. president, business understands that the state is ineffective, business takes over a large part of state functions as i took from them even before the start of large-scale aggression, paying taxes in advance, doing a lot to help territorial defense , and then in the first months. until now, 60% of entrepreneurs help the armed forces from where they take this resource from their own earnings, which they have from their own circulating funds, that is, by reducing business and thus really optimizing taxes. the president's answer in your interview sounds as follows : business should stop giving

bribes . under the conditions, we have a tax system and we are systems and in general the arrangement of the state , it absolutely does not allow business to develop , everything is created in order to corrupt an honest business cannot work just like that because what about it is then the taxman comes and says to reimburse your vat pay 10%. black odso- black vat refund 40%, and pure white 10%. unlocking the tax invoice 3-4-6% of the amount, that is, all this applies to white business, it is placed in such conditions that it cannot exist. accordingly , we have such a system that makes white business in the state ineffective and that it has two options the first option of squeezing it abroad is 30,000

ukrainian enterprises opened in poland, initially large-scale aggression, the process will increase, the second option is the price increase, this is it. you are on a bribe, go to the implementation of taxes, go to schemes for salary fops, even salaries in envelopes, it is all so obvious that now the key question is how to overcome corruption, definitely by increasing anti-corruption bodies, definitely not by landings , because landings they lead to the fact that corruption becomes more expensive. in ukraine, more anti-corruption bodies are more expensive. corruption is more expensive, accordingly, the burden on business is that the courts need to be changed. yes, it is necessary, but economic relations need to be changed it is necessary to be brave at the front as well as be brave in economic reforms customs tax first of all and this is directly related to the underestimation of the economy as a key factor in the war because well, very often we hear there from the office and from the president well from the office enough we often hear from the cabinet that the president is all in the war

, yes, the war is a weapon of negotiation , there is no time for the economy, and that is why there are many such failures, but this is a single system, because the economy is logistics, the economy is also drones the economy is everything yes, and uh, the war is lost on the economic front , uh, first of all, it is lost on the economic background, if you don't have a powerful economy, then uh, you are very dependent on external factors there, yes and that's why we actually have a lot of success for 1.5 years in the field of war, we have a lot of losses in the field of the economy, and i believe that this is a turning point. at this moment, which we are now entering, it is connected. well, first of all, society begins with it. fatigue is very clearly visible from many of these e

processes failed in the economy there yes from the war there is also in that there yes er this is the first factor and er the reaction of the president to corruption and to all these er corruption cases on well this is just a shaft of er news regarding that what is there a glacier? there is a palace. there is a palace. what are they doing? what are they doing there? roads are being built there, where there is no need. not to mention there are some parks there and drums . what is it really? to the local government and to the central government and this one sociology recorded it and the president reacted to it quite quickly because it is already in the sociology of god's transcentral power because people do not understand is this the paradigm of the local government or the central council and in sociology it has already recorded it somewhere one and a half places ago it was already visible that there is a need for the second one

the situation, the second, the second key factor is external, and when the west is above all the united states, they need a more effective impact on the economy, a more effective management of those resources that are given because now with these resources we are actually closing the civilian sector because we are financing the war at the expense of our economy there yes, that's what they say , guys. well, let's do it somehow more effectively and they are pushing the president to make it happen. personnel changes and these personnel changes they are asking to make over the course of the last nine months, probably there yes that's why now i think that in september we will see all personnel changes first and personnel changes in the economic block in the economic blocks i'm sure they will be in the economic bloc, uh, and uh, the ministry of defense, which also became such a triangular stone there, yes. and in this sense

, returning to what andriy said, well , it is necessary to make a strategic decision that is no less important there than the negotiations by the united states there with europe's rammstein there are all these and others, but a strategic decision from him regarding the fact that the economy is no less important piece of the front than what is happening now in the east, because if this situation will continue in the coming months, then there is such is such a factor er fiscal crisis yes fiscal crisis imposed on er means external pressure and imposed on the satisfaction of the masses, it can simply lead to an explosion when the system starts to fail, this was the case in 1917 when the russian empire, in principle, had

good indicators, was rebuilt in in 1916, the economy was there. the entente provided aid, the army was demobilized. well , the domestic economy was beginning to collapse because there was such pressure on logistics that the same petrograd was not the same, food stopped coming in a timely manner and people were simply alone a beautiful moment in february 1917, they went out into the street in order to prevent this from happening there, and by the way, this situation was not only in the russian empire, it was everywhere , it was in germany, it was in france , it was in great britain, they everyone was in a situation when they began to collapse, uh, that means economic systems, and so russia just collapsed first , it turned out to be a weaker link, uh, and uh , that's why economists need to pay a lot of attention now, and i'm sorry, why did they start to pour down because of this imbalance er yes

because the economy and the army, because the fatigue of the people, which er, imposed itself on the fact that well, it simply did not start arriving in a timely manner, people did not receive bread, why did the famine begin there , yes, despite the fact that there was food, it simply could not be delivered in a timely manner. our university will not have such a clinch. i think that it will happen. i wanted to say that because the 17th year is a correct example for me with him, for which i apologize. this is not about the 17th year, this is all a formula that affects many states that were part of i can create such a crisis a couple of dozens of examples, this is just an example that everyone knows, an example because look, er, russia then. yes, it was a country. i will remind you in the 13th year, it was just a peak in yield, a peak in grain sales of russia and russia, utah is very prosperous in general, that's all. especially the ruling class felt themselves, mr. volodymyr said correctly, about the social strata

of the population and about the social bread, and here are the people who lived more or less, but so average, they fell to an even lower level, and here is our current situation, what do we have look, we have problems do we not have problems with immigrants? there is no problem with jobs there, well, not with normal work here. we still have them. well, now we are mixing theses. the key is corruption in the economy. what is the ukrainian economy? it is ukrainian business. it is not international business. it is non-governmental . enterprises are first of all ukrainian business when the president publicly accuses business and demands that businesses not pay bribes, it only fuels this common dislike of entrepreneurs, entrepreneur , entrepreneur, military scientist, this is the basis nations, because they develop, they create, therefore, the attitude towards entrepreneurs must change completely, there are more than 100,000 entrepreneurs

at the front, did you know these statistics at all? and if in pop , we are there in general, there are 250,000 brothers, i have a lot of people, half of them, half of their employees are now called up it is very difficult for business now, in those days, it receives little help, there is no funding, there are a lot of problems, there are other issues, uh, rebuilding ukraine will be ukrainian business, as in its rhetoric , the same as the government in general treats of business when a business is accused of corruption. sorry, but who is corrupting it? which government, which political team is corrupting, corrupting business, it is necessary, it is necessary, i apologize, it is not the political teams, the problems have existed for more than 20 years , we even have a political team and a political government that would try to balance between the deep power state of the corrupt and the bureaucratic state and we only have bureaucrats in these states that no fukoyama or er

dzhimago reverse will understand this in this scheme, we have a simple situation with what the president said and equate er corrupt the act of treason is simply divided again in society, part of society says that yes, it is correct, especially in times of war, the president himself mirrored this certificate , the other part of society says no because , well, in particular, how is it, again, this is what is discussed at the political tables, they will say the first argument is that the president will start in this way his political team to persecute his opponents, this is what they are most afraid of, they are not afraid of the fact that people's businesses will go into the shadows, this is not discussed , only political factors are discussed, that's all in our society, we constantly look superficially at ukrainian corruption - it's not corrupters, it's two two key aspects , the first is because you talk, you talk about how business will survive, the people who

feed this country, what are the enemies of the president and opponents talking about, that's what he said we will be driven under the plinth what we should talk about is the existence of political opponents is it still about people being the perfection of the management system or is it all the efficiency of the state efficiency of the economy, how to build a systemic fight against corruption, not just strengthening punishments, a systemic fight against corruption, because , by the way, pay attention, they started criticizing this idea , uh, i already have the idea of ​​reflecting public sentiments, but they began to criticize even for such i would say procedural and functional the aspect of who will deal with corruption cases, this is one of the main areas of criticism that they say it will not be nabu and sap anti-corruption bodies that were created, but the sbu will deal with it and it will be another tool , let's say, control of the same corruption not fighting, but controlling, although in my opinion, the sbu is currently under such a load that they

simply do not have investigators to deal with corruption cases. we have different stories about - recently in the volunteer forum they told me that such a cargo just passed customs, and the sbu investigators are already in the office, show that you are carrying it there , it is about a humanitarian, a humanitarian cargo there. i have less discord about everything and what i definitely agree with the president, this is what we have there is a clearly manifested enemy, our enemy is at the front, and there behind the barrier, and our enemy is what is destroying the country from the inside, but we are not civil society. therefore , more dialogue is expected from the president. i was at a meeting with the president as the head of the coalition of ukrainian business communities, well, it