have other corruption cases."

it is open with the president, on the other hand, you need to talk to the president without his team, how do you see it? you see it as an open dialogue , but then you can open a dialogue, we can practice it many times, the president himself was before large-scale aggression from the more open, this dialogue should be so, taking into account the safety rules, but open to the public on youtube so that we see each other's thesis so that it is truly a dialogue and not a situation when every person has

the opportunity to express a thesis and then listen a trained president, why can’t this be done? and when we talked with you, and then i came to this realization. well, well , i’m asking the president about corruption and so on, and i’m getting a lot of bullshit from that part of society who will tell me, “why are you cool?” you are going to the president with this, why do we have all the processes locked on the president and it is not so and so and so , do you understand why we say let the president sit only without someone there and we mean we will talk to the president, should these processes be regulated by the president, why are there no verticals this was my key such warning when we started there 17 gathered 17,000 people who spoke out against the policy pursued by hetmantsev, showed the president why it is harmful to the economy of the state, after that a lot of investigating something there, but what can

the president do in relation to hetmantsev, what political decision to make and it would be it we stretch it is just constantly he he is a people 's deputy it is the parliament that has to make decisions but there are several moments first - war second political team and political decisions that can be adopted by the political team the leader of which is the president, and the president himself should have his own position. my request to the president is very simple . look, you listed three points, and these three altos also testify to the argument against what you said. because the war because the president and his beliefs and because the team as well why it is impossible to do who is the president's team i asked the president maybe maybe we are your co-business of ukraine patriots volunteers because this is your team and if this team tells you the president in an open way we need tete-a-te here here here we see treason president react

to it don't run away from this questions is it possible this is a question ofrek and someday when the war is over i will tell the answer to this question and it will surprise you very much in fact i will tell they leave their understanding to these people so that all our energy, all the energy of civil society and business , is directed at them, and thus they protect themselves . well, you said war, well, war is just the time for radical changes , and we are told that the constitution cannot be changed, that decision cannot be changed, elections cannot be changed during war , it is impossible to change the issue, well, life and death, and elections, well, you can hold them while working, and the constitution is a frequent thing if you remind me of your partner , mr. kulk, who says we need to create a government of consolidated management, i say from whom and he calls the surname poroshenko

tymoshenko. i just don't know how many people grabbed their heads you understand, because we have already talked from the machine, this is not all about that, here you are, conditionally speaking, on a boat, why is a boat, a boat is under attack, and here you see that there, somewhere , a board breaks off there everything starts to flow, and you and you have something like that there there is a set of rules that were written there 20 years ago. here and there it is written, do this, this, the procedure, so, so, so, so and so. and you, too. if you do everything according to the procedure, you will simply sink because you need to solve this issue. and a lot of quality a floating boat is being shot at, and there is also a hole in it you know what to do in such a situation well, who sits on a girl with someone's ass i apologize, well, it means that someone is covering the hole , taking responsibility and covering up the president

told his interview when the war started, i looked around and there were actually a lot of people here because i am this means that i think so, in fact, i am formulating the discourse that a discussion that can arise in one part of society, that is, within the framework of what you say here in this image they give because yes , no one's ass can close the hole if the americans handed over the lawn to us 9 months ago, which means this gas-powered power station , which can meet the energy demand of 25 mw. boyartsi was in boyartsi, but we didn't connect it, and what's more , we didn't connect it, and it's a corruption scheme turns out to be several million dollars, almost as much as the cost of this station that was handed over to us. well, how are we going to fight the threat of clouds in the winter ? our western partners gave us a couple of hundred million dollars so that we could buy such stations. there are 30 of them there

they cost 10-15-20 there, depending on what the power is there . well, this is an example of efficiency. well, it is clear that if it is an energy atom, who should make a decision about it, and the energy manager, who should make a decision about it i can't make a decision in nine months. it's elementary. it affects only one station . and i'm not saying what's happening in zaporozhye. where do we see under the condition that these gloves go there? it's just that millions of dollars go there to the captured territory there and somewhere disappear like this, if it does not happen month after month, but there is a change in me, and it does not stop and the efficiency does not increase, so that we can see the cleaners see that the station is standing and everyone understands everything, it will cover the need for energy, and it will be like this throughout the country and this and this is not written and it is not a question of lack of funds, funds are very much, we see that when

300 million is for this ice palace, there allocates 2 billion yes yes excuse me there yes here or there 2 billion for the junction which is not needed now that is question because we are responsible people and before speaking, we must tell the people who allocates the funds, is it the state that allocates it? is it some kind of mayor that allocates who will see this budget, the same way if we speak and give some examples, preferably well, medical documents that something is really not connected there or something is really happening around this station corruption because, well, it is open enough, we broadcast with documents from awarding the platform, you understand in order to come here and well, stress. yes, we are responsible people. all the countries of documents with documents with with surnames and well, you can, you can and here i am already sitting

and trying to feel the core of the discussion, and yet the economy of it can be endlessly needed hotter hotter or less hotter i 'm just trying to understand for myself too, well, together we started it discussion from the interview and us, the focus interview of the president , yes, yes, we have now gone very, very far from what we started, and i have a question then, what else did you see in this interview, mr. andriy? that's how everyone started talking about this idea i saw what i wanted, uh, as far as i understood you in economic matters, no, no, you can’t reach the president like that, for example, in the plan, here, here, i want to say us, the guys of the public experts are constantly quarreling there , the media people. what about you, what did you do, and what are you

how active is it? interview for me the most key phrase is that we need fundamental radical steps to change in society and in the relations we are building this is the key uh-uh what can we no longer talk about restoration what can we finally come to modernization and this means in all areas, the first key thing to catch my eye is that the president constantly refers to the thesis, correctly refers that our international partners do not cover our military expenditures according to the budget, but i'm sorry, our international partners help us a lot precisely in the military sphere and money also and not only weapons means something is not so possible here. the question is how we will manage our military expenses, what decisions we

made there, how correct or populist were they, and now what can we do , mr. i think that the front is such a furnace where just gangs not only in money, weapons, which weapons go to the front, which weapons are lacking , yes, listen, what do i want to say about what, is there a strategy in the west, a strategy for further war , now i just know the position of our experts in serious arms policy, the conclusion is this er, well, the document is closed, yes, but it concerns the united states, the conclusion is er, that in reality, and we actually know it too , we understand that there is no clear systemic strategy in the west, how to win this war, what should be the policy towards us and russia, that’s what it is the problem and he didn't talk about it directly, but he gave serious hints. and for me, in this interview, there is just such a thing, you know. i would say

the statement of the problem, he does not give ready-made solutions , he says there is such a problem, i offer such a solution. yes, regarding some problems, he says i open a discussion, let's decide together it seems to me that the situation is similar in terms of the economy, he is ready, he is open, but about the economy. this is not my specialty. but it seems to me that what is the problem now if the military sphere, we see leaders and the president and the commander of the armed forces are leaders who have taken responsibility and who, let's say, know how to move and where to move in terms of the economy, i see a different situation, unfortunately . look, we have a couple of people who influence the economic sphere. all the presidents are several people in the cabinet of ministers, and one position is different there the fiscal position of the minister of finance is said to affect the hetman of the village, but in my opinion there is a collective of hetmans and , unfortunately, part of this collective hetmanship is not only in ukraine but also in the west, because

the post-fiscal policy is to increase fiscal pressure, this is advice and from our partners , yes, even a requirement this should also be taken into account. it seems to me that the problem is that we do not have the same powerful leaders in the field of economy and in the field of economic reforms as in the field of defense, where the presidents commanding the armed forces took responsibility there is rather competition, and let's say yes, well, no, the swan is cancer. and what did the similarities say? we don't need so much leadership. of course, it would be great if someone took it. we need a discussion without strategic thinking in the decision we make. we need a real dipste . this is deep. a state that could work for a long time with its own country will say otvetstvenno, but this is not a question, give a leader and where is he , no, this is the leader of expectations from business, then people should come if they know exactly what reforms need to be made now. they have

to say we are ready to take over the work why well, it has been done. it has been presented to the president several times, but the president does not accept it. this business is consolidated, no matter how it is consolidated, who in the business has decisions and policies made, everything is in the hands of experts there are different opinions, but there are also, but in fact , all the same. i'm sorry, the decision is made in the cabinet of ministers in the office of the president, depending on what the decision is, now there is no one there, well , individual people took the leadership, gave it in the field of digital transformation, there is leadership, there is the anti-corruption tax reform has leadership, but this is how it somehow went, it went, er, there is leadership in these regulations . well, one of the reasons is that the event here helps and our partners who give us weapons and do not interfere, again and the same

when we talk about economic leadership, yes, i really want the defense to contribute, that is, to agree with everything that business experts offer, and in this case , the president said, the west says no, it will not be easy for you , no one will give you grants, you will have to pay for what we give you, you understand and the president forced to say absolutely honestly to his people that under and tears well, the same as in the 40s, so it is time that can increase the efficiency of the internal there, yes, to leave less from external all these influences there , yes, we are talking about this because as long as we are super-dependent on external influences, we will be told what to do. and that is why we need to solve this issue so that the russians will strike next winter there or already in the second half of autumn there, yes, according to our economy, according to our tests, what is there ? cut out on the system because it is distributed. makogon also gave a cool recipe. what needs to be distributed means the power system at the expense of such small gas power

plants that can also provide heat and the russians will not do anything about it. a year has passed. a year has passed . well, it’s easy to understand. the recipe is right there. yes, three transformer plants are almost not working in the world, there is a shortage of transformers for 2-3 years , the queue for the main suppliers, uh, there is an opportunity for a long time, and the president said it very nicely. i completely agree with him. that the enemy cannot remain in control in a significant part of our energy system through their representatives of the owners of power grids and energy companies. of course, all this must be done more efficiently, but not only by the state itself, but by providing opportunities for business . in the end, he is absolutely right that ukraine will be restored by ukrainian business and the strength of our ability. not to depend on external donors and to pay off these loans that we took depends on how much ukrainian business needs to be developed, business sorry, i

was just doing what with andriy, what is business i just have to come out and say, look, we are consolidating figures a bcd and i wanted them to be presented to the prime ministers, i don’t know if they are ministers. these are the figures. and let them take responsibility for themselves. i had questions. what will we vote on at the front to go on the attack or not to go on the attack? do you understand? you are right to say the analogy was very correct. our ship is in a storm. if we are now on the ship, we will start discussions on each issue. yes, in particular, yes, which ones? our course is to go west or east, well, for sure, we won't get to the president, why do we have to go to the president, you know how they do it, and what will they be , the last name?

with reforms we used to have reforms because you remember well, i think everyone remembers it's been a long time since the era of the 10th year yanukovych came to make a good image 20 with the hook of reforms e-e presented and prepared by the way, western experts then danyliuk oleksandr who was engaged in the preparation of these reforms under yanukovych was already, well, for a certain time under zelensky , yes, and even under groysman, too. yes, but i just heard how this situation developed, wrote cool reforms written in that administration and around the administration and given to the azarov government , and for zarov these reforms are foreign to him, he has a different worldview, he will not carry out what was written to him, it is desirable that those people who are the bearers of these views carry out the reforms, but this, but this is the key mistake, we, now, of course , everyone implements their own project, but if we want to

to build a state, we must build institutions, there must be leadership, there must be a political figure who takes responsibility, but this does not mean that he produces reforms, it means that everything is built in an inclusive way, that is, business , citizen experts together with state experts produce reforms, they are publicly discussed and after that it is presented as a state policy, it will not be the same for others , yura well, i'm sorry, i 'm sorry. figures along with the reforms it is lost. i agree, uh, the project competition and after that the figures, but a separate figure does not solve anything. team when all of you presidents support it and when the parliament votes on draft laws, the answer is already

the government teams at the elections, and why are there elections, well , they negotiate with the president, he says that look at the money transfer earned last year nova poshta earned uah 2.5 billion, what does it say, that is, it was scattered somewhere, it was destroyed somewhere, part of the business in the east is there, yes, that is, but he rebuilt everything, he rebuilt it, he su- managed to do all the restructuring yes, he went to berlin, he went to poland there, yes, how is the expansion now with the new post to poland there, yes, and he has a highly efficient business in europe, yes, there are no such services, the question is whether a person of this type is capable of doing it more effectively , yura or instances yes, yes it is it it is capable then dumplings well no well excuse me well i'm busy i have been seeing for a very long time that the vast majority of ideas that are born in business do not

fully reflect what the state needs. a person, but he will not be an effective prime minister than a minister of the economy. sorry means sorry, like volodymyr, yes. and here i am. i believe that any person can be effective if he has enough leadership, charisma, but inclusiveness, that is, the ability to build the dialogue that gives rise to state policy, what we lack in the state is a real dialogue that would be based on objectification , mathematical economic models, on strategizing, that is, on working out scenarios and opportunities

for discussion with various types of experts. you can argue with the abundance of leadership of the ministry of economy, but they really organized an inclusive process now in the preparation of the plan, and i am actually very grateful for what yuliya sviridenko is doing now minister of the economy, the process is really inclusive, what can be shown as the right approach , and business is involved, and public experts and the state government are now involved. now i would like all this to be voted on by the parliament, eh, then it will have an effect, and i would also like the branches of government to cooperate so that there really is a dialogue. the ministry of finance, the ministry of economy, the national bank, the president's office, to have a common economic policy, not like in our country now, everyone works on their own, we tried to make this site a year ago, the economic headquarters, and i asked yarmak to head this headquarters realizing that the president then would not be able to be seconds seconds seconds seconds i myself think

myself andriy who tomorrow tomorrow irony yes , so i asked that it be at the highest level , ideally that it be the prime minister , for some reason the prime minister does not take the president has this role. it's generally super ideal, but the president refused a year ago and then we asked. well, well, then at least a figure who influences the processes and who can moderate these processes, but no, they lowered it to the level of inequality and , accordingly, the economic situation did not work, then we remember i still wanted an opinion, friends what we will talk about in the second part, thoughts about the long war, chevrons, which leave us with the victory of tsn. a week with allah mazur. tomorrow

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will remind you that we are discussing the theses of the president of ukraine in his recent interview . why did we finish, i want to discuss one of them, and this thesis is about a long war, and again, there was another interview with the head of the main intelligence department , bonanov, and i asked this question to the president and, uh, the head of intelligence, and there was such a question about postponement of the war to the territory of the russian federation, i will remind you that the president said that we can be left alone in the end and if there is a war, i understand that in the sense that everyone is thinking about . so when everything is on fire there, it is also on fire in russia, and the head of the main intelligence department said that

it's a good idea, actually, he works on his page, that's why the difference is, because it's important and about this, by the way, too, questions arose what did he mean by the president, and so on, so i think i'll also mention the hard-working man who in one of the interviews i said it too that he is a supporter of transferring the war to russian territory, our military for this, they see it as an effective way to continue the war, how to make it more effective , how to do more, let's say more damage to the enemy, but our partners are against it, here 's the president, yes, that's right, but not everyone is a supporter of this idea but such a dominant position is better not necessary, at the same time, an important point is that crimea is the territory of ukraine occupied by russia donbas - the same yes, therefore there are definitely no restrictions there, and also i think that, well, i remember the opinion of the minister of foreign affairs, my defense ministers of germany, that ukraine has the right

to attack military targets in russia , so i think that when it comes to the fact that it is not possible to conduct military operations on the territory of russia, it is about such large-scale military operations that now they are going to the one in the south in the east of ukraine, and the strikes are point strikes on military objects . i think it is quite possible, but this gap must be kept in mind by our military in order to go this way, or our partners are afraid , they are careful in this world. no military an object and an object also by the military, closing the sky over russia, that is, turning it into a no-fly zone. it would be great over them from the sanctions tools. i think that this is going to take into account how this works strategically , also going to this, based on the interview , you can do something like this the conclusion that really comes to this is because the president emphasized very much in the interview also on our on our capabilities, this is what you, mr. volodymyr , say so if the western partners say

that we cannot transfer the war there, well, in some sense, in what sense we thought transfer it there, we can do it with our weapons, yes, that is, the restriction applies to their weapons, not the use of their weapons . in your interview with the president, they were referring to the fact that the new phase of the war is actually changing, the new phase of the war is beginning, the war is dragging on, and in this new phase there will be, let's say, new strategic and tactical elements, that's what we see now, the war in air not only on the territory of ukraine but also on the territory of russia and the growth of long-range weapons .

for example, ruslan and i have already discussed this, and i recently had a teacher's conference before september 1. it was held in dnipro, but it was attended by employees of luhansk education. in 2018, they also left for the territory of luhansk oblast, but it was unoccupied, and then from the unoccupied territories of luhansk oblast, when it was already full-scale, they moved to dnipro. well, they were included by zoom from different parts of the world, including because many teachers remain working remotely, and when i and when i gave my speech in such a motivational way. i said what we talked about with the president. well, when i said about the long war , i paid attention to the faces in these icons there and zoomed in, and people looked at the teachers, you know . they wanted to hear from and then they even joined in and told ms. natalya, thank you for

this truth because we wanted to hear how much