[000:00:00;00] it's just a perspective that helps connect the story , it's not the story of the journalists, uh, evgeny appears in the frame . we just work so that we don't touch anyone and we work so that we don't run into each other once , because sometimes it 's getting in the way of the forest. there well, we also learned so that we try not to disturb to each other yes, and we almost have the effect of presence, like photographs and not being reflected in the mirror sometimes they stand next to each other so as not to disturb the other and we say our movements forward there i ran forward there or is there

a run back there tipa and that's why we don't have almost nowhere, even if they didn't want to, it still seems like it was a very important element, so i talked to people in the audience. which is really because it is considered so among documentarians that, well, at least among ours, very often i will not synchronizing people to write there, what is it? it’s not cool. but in your case, it turned out to be very cool and effective . one more factor right there. if it’s true, there is a trend in documentary filmmaking, not only in ukrainian , but internationally. present in the film if you are not a part of the story you are telling uh otherwise it is called extract jonatalism when you greet someone you come somewhere you film the story of people and ah yevhen is from berdyansk next to mariupol i am from

kharkiv we worked very well in mariupol there are so many of our friends, so many of us are part of this big family, this is also our history, that's why we could be a part of history, if it was somewhere in another country, it wouldn't be like that, but since we are also part of this society, our history is what it is the history of this society is our uh our uh effort uh to write down the history of our country this is also a part of the history of this country it's hard to talk about what you feel when you have urinary incontinence an unpleasant situation can arise at any time even with a slight effort

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savings something that you can't touch but without it you can't breathe and on the one hand it's really like a classic knife because if you compare all the gold against freedom it's just a swamp but only now when they try to subjugate us again not metaphorically but literally when they try to seize or destroy only now has the understanding come freedom has a price and its excessive juice must

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who have become familiar to many and also respected guests of the studio, the events of the day in two hours, vasyl's big broadcast in the winter, a project for smart and caring people, in the evening, most of the time, remind me who filmed it, and this is one of the most famous photos of a father who is sitting over the body of his dead son, these currents were filmed by yevgeny , tell me how to do it in general, because on the set i remember the film i watched it in my mind somewhere a few months ago it seems first you shoot it like this and then you stand in the room where the father and son are how is it well i don't even know well technically it's the right thing to do to remove it and to make sure everything is as ethical as possible so as not to violate the boundaries of this situation. well, i think that this is provided, you know, you will learn, er, not that this is some kind of mechanics, but

the feeling of um when you can do it sometimes yes, so that you didn't get additional aggression that is already there and that pain and what people feel and that strong pain a-a that we see there in the photo and video it's really not easy and it doesn't always work like they think there that and it's luck and so on, but such a situation can happen, and serhii can indeed, because he also allowed us to do it, because it if we can't just enter such a space without permission, well, it's impossible, it's also two people yevhen takes a photo i take

a video, we are both present in the room and uh, two cameras, not even one- by two, and this is another shhh- or doctors and another plus, other patients, others. two friends, and whose son was killed, they were also there, just there, they were dragged out, for a second, and the door opened, and serhiy saw it, and he ran in, and he understood the situation that's all. although he brought it by car, it's just us i saw as a witness how i hear the signal of the car as it approaches, how the trunk opens and the bodies of ilya artem are taken from there, and then another day they brought three guys who uh was it

a cluster munition that exploded on the football field when they were playing well i understand that this was one of the most difficult moments when we were filming, or were you there , it was everywhere, everywhere, it wasn't just there, you can say it's like that. and there is something. it entered not because it did not crash there what did you look at and understand that this could not be shown for some reason, there was no such thing, there were such things that were simply not part of the story that we were telling , there were several other departments of doctors and hospitals , there was work with the red cross that we really wanted to show but it's just that according to the plot, it didn't work at all, well, it just didn't work out. of course, if it's a film, where it's in it

, there should be an arc of the story, and something, i just can't enter because it doesn't work. there were moments when, well, we shoot, for example, bodies the bodies of the children that the doctors could not save, but at this very moment the viewer has already seen so much that well, it simply cannot be shown anymore because it will distract people from the story. that is why it is a big job and in fact a good editor helps here i was helped by pvs frontline editor michelle, the master , we edited everything together with her. and here is her perspective, she also

helps to find the right moment. you had one episode in the film. what kind of people do we have in such narrow journalistic circles? discussed the episode when you show the mass graves when these bodies of his are assembled and you ask the man who does it what do you feel about us this question is very controversial among journalists because some of them like this question very much because usually it is very possible to get an emotional answer to it and maybe people feel some kind of involvement that they are interested in their feelings yes and other colleagues of ours wish that this is one of the most incorrect questions that you should never ask such a question in your life and full stop you think it is good question, can you explain why it is appropriate and correct, first of all, you see

that the film is not removed er, yes, it is without er, let's say yes , without judgments, without er, any such emotional er, i do not try to convey my emotions to the audience, but uh, this is still an emotional film and i think it is right to be interested in people's feelings because we, as journalists, as documentarians, we run somewhere to shoot something and uh, when we are not interested in anything more than just what happened , it's unpleasant for people who do not want to answer in general, they do not answer but i don't remember anyone

in my entire career of conflict journalism not answering this question from people, whether it was iraq, syria, ukraine, nagorno-karabakh, everywhere, to people, especially those who are under stress well, i can't say it's nice, but it's necessary to share. if they've already started talking on camera, then they need to share . the worst thing in such a situation is to know that everyone doesn't care. i've been in such situations. when are you under terrible stress or are you almost dead? and when someone is interested in what you feel, it supports you. you know what people don't care, and i just want to show people that i don't care

. by the way, you're probably in the minority, but your position is well-argued . to my colleagues, the editor-in-chief of babel or yevhen spirin, he dealt with bodies in buch, he got a job in the morgue, and there he was asked this question, and he wrote a whole post saying that this question should not be asked, but it is, you see, such a debatable thing, you know me in your still liked the movie how can you say it wrong, you are fighting russian propaganda and i feel that you did not have such a goal from the very beginning and you rather do what is journalism, show the truth , a very similar story in iron butterflies in another movie there about mh17 i don't know if you watched there a similar technique is when they show russian news and then they show other frames where it is clear that these russian news are lying

, and you have the same when you show russian uh, well, it’s probably hard to call them journalists, propagandists who claim that everything in the maternity hospital was staged and we see all these shots and understand this whole scheme according to which russian propaganda works , and can you explain exactly the tools of this display of disinformation, false propaganda, so that it does not look like counter-propaganda, not like some kind of answer, not like a dialogue with propagandists namely, how is journalism , well, you said this right now, this is not a dialogue. we don't have to answer or try to fight propaganda. we'll just do our

job and the film is just a tool this kind of work because when you give people from see how propaganda works, it gives many versions and people lose perspective in these versions and we live in an age where there is no information, but if you give people enough to the text as it is possible to do in the film, then it will be easier for them to act against this, there are wrong interpretations of the events that they see, but yevgen pushed the same thing with the photos he took, it’s the same thing

. well, we just it spilled out, first on me , then on all of us, because the photos were the first to become popular. here is the first photo which was reproduced here on almost all the front pages of those newspapers that are still in print. and yes, there are not so many of them now , but when they all came out at once from one photo on the front cover, we realized that it was a photo of irina kalinin uh, women, pregnant women on stretchers, who died, who then, and this one, how could this wave be directed against

that, yes, yes, fake news , discrediting the photographer, yes, how did he do it, and they called me different names about it, yes, informative a terrorist from mrs. zakharova and so on yes there, well, everyone remembered me there, and now everyone is famous, but if the main thing is not to give up and so on, and just keep doing it, yes, i don’t know how difficult it would be here to prove something, and to whom to prove it, yes, how would we they did their job. yes, they showed us how they are , uh, then we checked there and they continued to show us what we still have to prevent this from happening, but i think we

have done enough for the world to understand what is going on. it was our work that showed yes , you were there and you were done according to our work very high yes, that's how i want to ask about different festivals, different events, because you, i don't know, you probably don't count the number of these events abroad, where do you take your film , there must be q-9 communication with the audience , communication with the press, even more communication i am interested in the audience, there are a lot of stories from your colleagues who went somewhere there and encountered some wild ideas about our country from different people and felt this vacuum of information about ukraine, of course, tell me if it is possible for you there was some kind of question from the audience that was very often met or some kind of reply

and how you can feel that exactly your film was able to change the perception of ukraine by these viewers who before watching the film thought one thing and after watching a-and this vacuum was filled in them, i will say about the film evgeny travels to photography exhibitions, this is also such an important important part, most often and this is good, the most often heard question is how to help, it is so simple, but how to help. tell us. well , we want to help now, but how do i think that actually, part of our work is not our work, but our work as a ukrainian society should be precisely to help the international community understand how to help . it's simple, but it's important, secondly

. it seems to me that finally people who watched the film understood the scale, because the scale of suffering, the scale of destruction and the intensity of the war is hard to convey in the news when you watch the news for 1-2-3 minutes even every day and then you live your normal life and that's normal. you don't understand how difficult everything is, you don't understand how everything is happening at the same time and to what extent this issue of simple survival is acute for ukrainians. it seems to me that the film just helps people understand that every minute , every minute, someone in ukraine dies , civilian soldiers, every minute, russian troops attack ukraine and kill themselves , they kill our people, eh, this understanding it comes just when people watch more

than just a minute of news and there were some pro-russian viewers or people with, well, let's say sentiments, sympathies for the russians, which were some comments not often, but there are comments and it's also interesting to watch because i don't even have to answer them, arguments start in the audience, but there are comments, they mostly go according to the russian negative, which says something like, it's all very difficult for ukrainians, of course die, but it's all their fault, because if it wasn't too much, if it weren't for their aggressive behavior of the ukrainians, then russia shouldn't have done this, that is, there is such an excuse. they see what

the russians did to mariupol, they can't already to say that this did not happen, that's why they say that it's your own fault, that's why you need such a comment. usually i hear, but there are not many of them, and how they are perceived by the audience as a rule, well , arguments begin, answers begin , uh, again, i, as an international journalist , can't uh- include and you say how can you say that, uh, i was there no , i always answer calmly, i always answer with reason, but as a rule, people who have already formed their point of view, they do not change it about exhibitions, so tell me yes what are you there? well, it's really difficult because the photo is mostly alone and

she's silent. yes , but it's worth a thousand words. the series from mariupol, that's why the people of mariupol looked at all the photos, and i'm not talking about the world, because it's hard to imagine how many people in the world actually looked at what happened to mariupol, but they looked, and this is really it. everyone watched it. photos that are still in people are standing in front of their eyes and we know it and people in russia watched it. they watched it in the same way so that everyone wouldn't say. they looked at these photos and these photos reached

everyone. maybe not all of them, but they definitely looked, and it's a really important fact that people somehow saw it. it's even what was inside. what kind of practical effect do you think they saw, felt something, and what the result of this could be? sometimes i thought that photography is not as strong a tool as video. yes, and maybe it evokes less emotion there, because i was also involved in video and did it a lot, but then i realized that when you show uh in the mode of such a crisis, as in ukraine, everyone is watching

and this and these moments from the war, they will be imprinted for a very long time, for a century . yes, it seems to be for some period, and for the time being, people will remember. yes, there are historical questions, not yet, but when when there will be a need for arguments in russian society to stop this war, this will be one of the arguments, these materials, this film, these photos taken by evgeny, these photos , which are filming videos, which are being filmed by all journalists now on the front line, and in ukraine , this will all be an argument sooner or later, russian society will be ready for this doubt . it will have the tools to base this doubt on something. i hope that it will be

. yes. but i think it is possible. well, if they could conjure up any example, it doesn’t matter. and promote it, yes, on television, and so on. well, we have seen many such, uh, similar scenarios. yes, when it can be done, but for now, these photos are used in other countries to incite people. on the contrary, we want people to see . not to promote the war, but to prevent it from happening, but sometimes it turns out the other way around, because they spread the word and interpret it in their own words , so that they set fire to it more and throw wood into this fire, and we, on the last question, you

have mariupol people in the film, who are a little bit pro-russian or something not very oriented where else they fly from, there are not many of them. i hope to see more, but there are not many of them, but all the same , they are there, and we have a discussion about whether it is possible to show such people, especially from abroad. and this is sku-cultural diplomacy. but i would like to ask were there people among the foreigners who noticed such characters and how did they react to them because we already react with the knowledge of some contexts there, people don't know what, were there any interesting reactions to this and the reaction uh-uh is usually and why are they like that they say that they do not understand what is happening, this is the first reaction , the second reaction is good that it is in the film, because it gives the film

credibility. - there were pro-russian people in mariupol, they weren't, not the majority, but they were there, and no one can say that we, well, i, as a director, did not give them a voice, this is the first, second, uh, in general, this is mariupol, this he was not just such a phenomenon in the blog, but he was in an informational siege and that er, for the future, er, we call it some kind of stage. that is, this is an example of how the information blockade affects the psychology of people, and people who are under an innovative information siege, they panic, they believe everything they hear, they do not know what

is true and what is false, and after showing such of people, we also illustrate the effect of the information siege of mariupol , thank you very much. greetings, dear tv viewers, it's time to learn about the most important events at the moment and the situation at the front begins. the ukrainian army has advanced almost one and a half kilometers. to the south of the fruitful towards the village of the covenanted desire this is the mariupol direction reports the online map of hostilities dipped the day before the general staff reported that the ukrainian defenders repelled all counterattacks of the russians near stariy majorsk and stabilized