[000:00:00;00] which will be in washington next year, it is the anniversary of 75 years since the creation of nato in 1949, which is the basis of such a good uh, the basis of uh, such a historical political foundation for ukraine to become a member of nato, and bye for biden, this is me i think it would also be a success, such an international, er, ordinary american voters look more at internal american problems, but those who follow er, foreign policy. already said the 75-year anniversary of the creation of nato, and this is april 4, the date of the creation of the foundation of nato, on april 4, obviously, the summit will take place these days or earlier, that is, there is every reason for

biden to worry about this process in order to realize it , in what form it can be implemented, it is ukraine that acquires 16 to the political part of nato to the military part of nato full membership or nato membership for that territory of our country that is controlled by the central government, well, this is a question, of course. okay, now this is an internal question. international aspects, but from internal aspects, they do not know how you will react to this question of the surname rustem um- u merov instead of oleksiy reznikov as minister of defense, and i would just like an explanation on

such a topic. which needs managerial qualities to understand how to create this logistics, how to fill the capabilities of the ukrainian army, it’s such a mess, as they once said in the soviet army , and we have a front there that is useful. do i understand correctly or not? because i really just tell you a little bit about the differences, you don’t have any military experience, but from my point of view, the minister was not bad, and i also see this person as our patriot. yes, for sure, because our crimean tatar brothers are sometimes more patriots of ukraine than many, many ukrainians but the professional abilities are unknown, your version, well , they support the decision of the president of the state militarily. but if you and i are guided by the experience of nato, then indeed there are these positions of division

, the minister of defense is a political position and the general staff is actually purely military which is immersed in military issues and is engaged in training for war, after all, as in our country, that is why we see among the ministers of defense of many countries , people, worthy managers, active , who bring some creativity they contribute to reforms in this area. but they often do not have military experience. often these are women in spain. it seems that there was a woman who was pregnant during her tenure as minister of defense. this is a natural process for you too. these responsibilities and hm. i think that the spanish army has not lost from this, that's why the whole

decision with the top leadership of the state is here and, well , let's all hope that, uh, all the positive work that has been done will continue, look now with hindsight a little further in your opinion, none of us knows how to look ahead, it is not very grateful at all. i would say very ungrateful, but will nato as an organization not make the mistakes that were characteristic of the beginning of the russian attack on ukraine? i mean, we are peaceful people, and even as it was written, even the armored train for the spare putin is not worth it, we are reducing, we are reducing, we are not producing, we are closing, we understand that there will be even better and better a-a and then putin came and everything is over

, that is, what will be recognized as far as nato is already now, let me hope, maybe they are beginning to realize that they have no right to reduce themselves, because this is really the gendarmerie of the world, and in a good sense, in a good connotation, a gendarme, not in a bad sense, a gendarme that has to watch over bandits and stop the activities of bandits, wherever it is, i think not only northern the atlantic, but all over the world. well, i have not come up with another policeman in the world, mr. serhiy. well, there really should be an international institution that takes care of security , if we have unesco that takes care of cultural issues. of course, there must be a structure, and here the uniqueness of nato is that it united the countries of europe and it was really a defense alliance, and here the question

is only. of course, nato is a political, military organization, you play the main role there politicians and also politicians are separated from the military, there is the north atlantic council, the main structure there, the politicians make the main decisions, and the military committees, they are all subordinate to the north atlantic council, they already perceive a ready-made decision and carry it out there, implementing their own plans, already having a professional, professional focus of the military volume here if you really analyze how nato assesses everything that happened with this russian-ukrainian affair, and with their assessment of the underestimation of russia, there is criticism because nato, like other institutions that

european countries made a lot of efforts to democratize russia, to get closer to russia, to help her . as he said, after the collapse of the soviet union, the main flows of funds were diverted here much more than in ukraine. ukraine nato before that, we had a commission and everyone noted , including stoltenberg, that the council is a more significant body of cooperation, the structure coincided , russia had such a council from the very beginning , the council of russia nato existed and russians were invited at all the meetings, at all the meetings, the ukrainians did not even keep up with them, but it did not justify anything, that is, the totalitarian russian state, as it was and still is, forced plans to seize their territory and these constant conflicts that russia supported in moldova, in georgia, there, in

in central asia, this is all if this has an effect on belarus, on ukraine, that is, all this is a continuation of this imperial policy and this is not the policy of the xxi century , of course, and here is brussels . it seems to me that the headquarters of nato and all those involved in the european security system should it seems to me that the conclusions have been drawn and uh, there are different directions of countermeasures, in particular, countermeasures against russian propaganda, this is also now being actively monitored, in contrast to how it was before, russia was promoting its generativity there, and no one opposed it, today the situation is different, but it is possible it takes time, we would like it all to be more active and effective, because for us , every day, every hour, every minute of the war is human effort, and we wanted

to have more active support and role and action i understood that, mr. serhiy, but the next question is even more difficult than the previous one in the sense that i am skeptical of your cautious optimism, because i have the impression that this is a permanent policy , the west nurtures, creates, then nurtures, nurtures its opponents, the west and the united states china created the states in the first place, today's power from china is american. this child of america is china, and russia is a child of america and in general it is a child of nato . there are unlimited syringes and disposables. legs are very disposable money. we already know how yeltsin asked clinton

to call saudi arabia and ask the king for 12 billion, and they handed over this money . today, that is, what are you saying, this is not the policy of the xxi century, but it is possible to find such a policy of the xxi century, which would be peace-making on the one hand, and on the other hand, this trust is really tested, yes, because they provided money and now the military-industrial complex russian perfectly kills ukrainians, sorry for the word perfectly in terms of its zone of influence - this is the north atlantic - this is the european continent, the north american incident, but nato today actively cooperates with all the democracies in the world, there is cooperation with australia, new zealand

, south korea, japan, all countries were present at the vilnius summit for the first time, that is , there is an understanding that democracy around the world needs to unite, especially when the role of the united nations is decreasing when he can't, well, due to the well-known reasons of the existence of the veto in russia, which illegally took the place of the former soviet union , in this aspect, i think that it is really necessary to review these approaches and, uh, something was changing. the united states really helped china get on your feet, but still the state commune, and we, who knows better than you and me what communists are, if in the past, in terms of the fact that you were just the antipodes of german nazism and uh, kremlin stalinist communism,

nazism was destroyed, and that what kind of communism was he? transformed, maybe something has changed but the essence of the satellite remained, so it is very necessary to be careful with the satellite regimes with their support. at the very least , such a focus arises from the analysis that you and i have done . thank you very much. we are in touch now a little bit later in 20 seconds the commercial will start and after the commercial we will go to the united states we will talk to an expert from the united states the republican party about the domestic policy of the united states well, maybe about ukrainian -american relations, because today as far as i understand, today it became known that the president of ukraine , mr. zelensky, is visiting the united states in

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any person on the territory of criminal states and he must obey, he says yes, comrade, the president will destroy, execute, or i, how is this, how is this happening, what is the procedure , whatever the american president wants, he can or cannot, it seems to me that whatever he wants, well, it’s not possible at all , i’m just a fool of trump himself , you know he constantly puts himself forward like that since he said that in 24 hours he will be able to start a war with russia and ukraine , he also speaks according to biden himself, you had to find some reason, of course , then you have to go one step at a time. well, you understand that as you hinted with your movements, it's all so simple, it's another matter of course. so, well, the republicans constantly emphasize that let's blame the son for being corrupt, that he violated

various possible laws. well, that's half the trouble, but in relation to some such and such peace, we are here sambain john was somehow involved in all those zov usages, so the father , um, they talk about it constantly, they already talked about the possibility and anton even now , so it is not excluded that and note that if trump really could before, not so he, but rather the republican party, rather, the ministers of justice, who, after all, will be subordinate to trump himself, could start some kind of case against the former president biden himself, it is not excluded. but again , despite all the abuses, despite all the stupidity of american american politicians, here , after all, the state mainly rules

so it is not quite as simple as he himself imagines. but there is a difference between the united states and the russian federation, where i am convinced that if putin said to arrest , it will be done. he did not even use this phrase. finished - won't have time to finish and already that one will be arrested next , here we are talking - you started saying this very correctly about the republicans i talk to different people that there are many republican candidates and should ukrainians be afraid of them or do they have at least some meager ones chances and ukrainian experts say that they have no chance , moreover, these are technical candidates, bellicose and anti- ukrainian, who are precisely designed to show that trump is not so bad in comparison. well

, relatively speaking, if we mentioned russia, what the russians should have tried to prove that you see how beautiful putin is against the background of the terrible prigozhin, oh prigozhin this is a disaster in general, tomorrow i am not a weapon, and then he is so moderate , so is that guy of indian origin. as far as i understand, judging by his surname, he is terribly aggressive against the background of his indifference, trump is just like that the peacemaker is so moderate, so not such a politician, what do you say we should be afraid of all the republicans who are arguing with each other before the elections, let 's say yes to the leader of the republican party, i wouldn't be me he is the highest, especially in this trade, he is smart, by the way, he graduated from harvard university, he graduated from the university of yaets, so this is a person who still has something in his head against other candidates, but of course he

spoke very negatively about ukraine itself, but he is the only one who - there the presenter asked the question to those republicans who wanted to participate in the debate, and there were eight of them, then six, so that they support ukraine, then six of them immediately support, raised their hands, yes , they support one, then the landing party from the interior of florida raised well, they really wanted to, but three conditions that the europeans will give ukraine more weapons before financial aid, the only one that they aggressively opposed . it was oil, and a person who is now considered a good candidate for the second place. the un means this niki gailrix and she criticized the frame with you very seriously, he

was criticized for his well, for his nonsense, so that he would have said about ukraine and russia. i would not be afraid of those people, i am not even like that i am sure that i am terribly afraid of the republican party, because among the 300 or so congressmen they have, in principle, there are 50, 60, maybe 70 of them. well, they are not quite anti-ukrainian, but not quite pro- ukrainian. i am more afraid of trump. - and i think that ukrainians should be more afraid of you, for one main reason, he is not foreseen, he can look at this for ukraine from one point of view, it is not excluded from another point of view, he can be

a destroyer of ukraine. what scares me the most and not so his predictions and everything, but that's me personally and what if he had won the election if possible and now the democrats have even started to talk about such a possibility to help . it's hard for me to imagine how to work for the government at all when half, if not more, of the population will protest on the mountains , will you even be able to make any decisions ? crisis and in general, there will be an inability on the part of the government to make any radical decisions, well, of course, this also excludes hmm a radical decision to stop aid to ukraine

of some kind so this is a possible positive side of this general negative er general negative image, mr. professor and among lawyers, something is pushing me towards jurisprudence today , american lawyers are constitutionalists, these people are generally a discussion about what will happen in such a case , in another case, in such a case, well, conditionally speaking about the same trump constitution in general, the laws of the united states allow you to sit in prison and be the president, but they do not prohibit you. after all, you are in prison according to a court decision, and according to the decision of the voters, you are sitting in the white house. there are a billion contradictions, a billion simply, and i sit and think

if it was in ukraine, every day we, for example, or my colleague portnikov, would invite lawyers and say what should we do here, we are already talking about it, it is still obvious that there are minimal chances of holding elections next year because of the war and we are already talking about this, that someone someone said there the american senator said something there, he said this, this one said, everyone is already saying something, and the other says no, no, listen, well, we can't put observers on the front, they won't go to the front, and here are the ballot boxes, we'll be there as we please, or how is that all? there will be, but in america i don’t hear any rumors, there are lawyers sitting around, it’s the heads of the ivy league, all the nobel laureates in economics or in politics or in literature. i don’t know if it’s in

biology and i’m thinking. and exit there is no legal matter. please say something about this. well, first of all, i am not a lawyer. you must remember that these are things that i read and do not know personally, but i know from my readings that foxes - a specialist in the constitution and they are basically divided just as politics does not mean those who support trump and the republican party roughly argue what it is and those who are more inclined to the democratic party argue just the opposite and the fact is that this situation has never happened, no one predicted such a situation that some criminal element, some criminal person could be a candidate for president, but there are several important nuances here, so the nuances are that trump is unlikely to be convicted in the primaries before

the elections, and yes, in the elections, yes, it is almost impossible, so he has every right to be a candidate. for all of them, since these cases are being conducted, it is more difficult for me, too, that after the elections he missed, he will win, which is not excluded, then years may come that condemn him, and then such a rather spicy situation arises, but you understand here, he has the right if the president can pardon any person, then he can pardon himself and this is how the case ends, of course there will be rave actions by the democrats, liberals and all his opponents and critics who will say that he violated one or other laws or if they are illegal, then at least the spirit of sokomo because

he prayed to himself like that, but it is possible, it is possible, and i am personally very afraid of it, because then , oh, the democrats, the democrats in general. well , they will certainly all go to the streets, and how will it end? i don't know, but what will it be? further, the polarization of this is absolutely correct. the last question is important. are there authorities in america? are there authorities in america among scientists, among actors, directors, philosophers , writers, who would simply use their authority to explain society and make society listen to what it is dangerous games, politics in america has turned into a very something similar to the ukrainian politics of the 90s and and this is unacceptable . america has always been so established, we understood that anyway this boat sails maybe a little to the left

. a little rough, but in principle it sails reliably forward and now he is swinging on the waves quite intensively please absolutely such a discussion already that it is by hand it is not only in the last few months because this popularization was visible in our country well at least five if 10 years ago and people are very worried worried when trump was knocked out and he loved what he was doing at the time, but now he is even more worried because these are possible former criminal cases by the president , so this discussion exists, it is at my level, so i write about such things in my columns not as an expert, but also experts scientists are involved in this, some lawyers are involved in that but again, it depends on the political direction , those who support trump in general think that it is not bad. it is good. it is useful and the main problem for american democracy is

the democrats , liberals, etc. with the democrats, they will say exactly the same thing as her to go to the news, but they can, we also had a criminal ex-president. we have experience. let them turn to ukraine. i have pay attention to mr. yanukovych and we can tell you what to do with the criminals in power. and in java, melnyk will continue this broadcast with news from espresso tv . i congratulate you. thank you for your work . side of the village of the covenant desire this is the mariupol direction reports the online