[000:00:00;00] and it certainly looks strange, no, it’s not strange, not only from the ukrainian point of view, there, uh, it often happens. well, let’s say it causes various political statements in the european union, but during the elections in hungary, hungarian politicians go to romania to campaign for local hungarians because there will still be local hungarians simultaneously, citizens of romania and hungary vote in hungarian elections. well, this is not a paradox. this is the central european reality. in slovakia, it is a little different because plural citizenship is prohibited there. in romania, it is allowed because they are not campaigning for the slovak republic, but in slovakia, for example, the modern elections are not taking place there on september 30, and there are at least three hungarian parties going to the elections so far , and the hungarian brain party it was a hungarian coalition, they were alternately represented

in the slovak parliament. what are the programs, well, this is again discussed for several hours, but even in the educational legislation , this is what we, hungary, have a debate with, well , our neighbors are eu member states. well, not only hungarians, they allow it, they allow it significantly more liberal than that, well, the question is about transit, so believe me from the point of view of some political ambitions, or is this a vision for orbán for hungary, transcarpathia and ukraine, and this is a local community, it is not, you know, such an epicenter of attention, it is part of this model , the only thing and again well, here i will talk about the irresponsibility of politics, perhaps for nothing, all politicians are irresponsible. however, unlike slovakia, romania, serbia, ukraine is under

russian aggression, and this russian aggression has been covered since 2014 and is still an ethnic issue i.e. the same thing that viktor orbán manipulates very irresponsibly. you know, this greatly complicates the situation, especially this political rhetoric, and strangely enough , this conspiracy theory and fears that hungary has territorial criteria or, for example, one of the most popular, unfortunately, now now in ukraine that orban was preparing an invasion of ukraine in transcarpathia synchronously with the russians. it was there in february 2022 and i'm throwing it in the air. well, unfortunately, it 's a popular opinion, i don't know what, to be honest, there are no excuses except

fears yes well, look, you gave me food for thought, not directly, but definitely, on the topic of how and when ukraine can allow itself plural citizenship, and i now understand that, based on the example of the citizenship of hungarians in romania , what is on the way to ukraine's accession to the eu. i hope such a road has begun, when it will end, no one knows, and no one knows how it will end, but really, well, i have friends, my familiar families, they have two western passports , some have the opportunity to have three passports, there are dutch, german, french and so on further and it does not bother anyone. but there is simply no russian there, this is an important element, that is, if ukraine became a member of the european union , then it is possible to give out, can it be allowed from your point of view, or will it be possible then to allow the hungarians to issue their passports in transcarpathia

or bukovina to romanians? what if it is still a single space and it doesn't matter where you live you live in europe first of all, as you know, and secondly in belgium and secondly in poland, although the poles will be against it and secondly in ukraine or estonia do i understand correctly or not? maybe yes, i will automatically answer that uh. in the passport issue, uh, citizens of ukraine of hungarian-romanian origin have already been integrated into the european union. they already have passports . that is, this is the reality with which we are dealing . well, somehow the path taken by slovakia although it is now also liberalizing this issue there, there is an option to keep two passports, that is, not to shout slovak well, if we were already late , that is, it should have been done earlier

in my opinion, the situation when, as you say correctly, i have many such acquaintances, i will tell you, i know, well , there are not dozens, but a few ethnic hungarians with hungarian passports who volunteered , well, the armed forces of ukraine, that's why for me my opinion is the legalization of multiple citizenship, and here again you very correctly noted that it is not a general principle that everyone should be purged, it should be a very clear legislation with such safety safeguards. if it is so simplified to explain we should legalize multiple citizenships with the member countries being the senate, that is, with the alliances in which we seek to join, this can be done before joining, as far as i'm concerned, everything should be clearly written on a bilateral basis. that is, there we are general . this principle, if we approve it, plus conclude additional agreements with with romania from hungary, why do we need these agreements

, because now all these passports are truly uncontrolled, that is, we do not know who specifically proves this, and they are looking for whether another person has , for example, a romanian or hungarian passport. we need confirmation, respectively, from the official bucharest or budapest, they will not give this confirmation and the situation is trying that in such situations, sensitive issues such as access to state names or some other such moments, i still would not allow er, well, to have this access for people there with other citizenships , yes, or conditionally speaking, if we were to put it as some kind of restriction or some other. well, now she is out of the office. that is, you already have these passports in your hands, people are using them. well, i know that some spy will jump out there, or it is unclear who they will do there with a romanian or hungarian passport, you already

know, there will be such a stigma that these are those who took romanian and hungarian don't you know what kind of passport it is, everyone there is someone's spies , that's why it's important to do it here, and of course it can be, you know, as such, not to be the subject of bargaining or negotiations, but as such a step towards meeting the negotiations regarding membership in the european union this outfit will be a condition because well, even though plural citizenship is well, it is a very common practice in the european union, but it is not a mandatory norm. in my opinion, the issue will be difficult, this is precisely the issue of educational er and there are various, well, primarily educational language rights for us minorities because where there is a large national minority in each of the countries, even such a mono-ethnic country as poland, their educational and language legislation there is much more realistic than what

ukraine is currently offering. on hungary excessively and irresponsibly politicizes it. in other words, what we hear from budapest as a political position has little to do with the real issue there with educational languages ​​and rights in the hungarian national minority. but nevertheless, it will be a difficult topic. well, i do not rule out that we will hear perhaps not so radically and let's say ultimatum there , but demands also from bulgaria and romania, that is , for them this is an important issue - it is part of such a model, you know. well, they will demand mirroring, that is, for example, in the same well in hungary, let's do it, but in the same romania, if the ukrainian community wants to do this, the legislation and allows learning in the mother tongue at all levels of education, yes , ukrainian legislation so far limits it in one way or another, my question is what is the

proportionality, so there will be a difficult issue here, i think there will be debates well, to be honest, i don't see a risk and a threat that, well , at the level of legislation, this is again a somewhat difficult issue, because what the legislation allows can be implemented in different ways, but i was confused you don't need listeners, then if we can't dissolve in half a minute, we don't need to talk about it, this is a hint for the future, and the interview because they confused the listeners and viewers, look at the romanians and magyars, if we have already focused on them, they are studying, they are resting on a big homeland, if you can call it that, that is, in romania and hungary, many people buy real estate, are they generally more ukrainians or more romanians, are they more

ukrainians or more magyars, or should we somehow normalize these issues, realizing that sooner or later they will go there anyway and they take to live there because they get an education there, many can buy an apartment there, they rest either on the romanian black sea or on balaton somewhere in hungary shorter than these, what are they , what are they among themselves, what are they talking about among themselves in a cafe well, listen, let's go home to budapest anyway, for example, or vice versa, they say yes , no, i won't go, maybe i'll send my son, but my son wants to return to ukraine. well, in short , what are they talking about, what are they thinking about ? situation but that's it

whole situations to which the state must respond with certain legislation, certain practice, a certain political position, and this, i tell you once again , is actually a very difficult conversation, and it is very easy to get confused here, and again, if you take this region of ours in central europe, this is exactly what it becomes the subject of such political disputes. they still continue to the word between budapest and bucharest constantly, precisely on these issues, what to do, if there were. situation, one can form the opinion that these hungarians who live there in ukraine in transcarpathia, what if they were citizens of hungary. no , they are, first of all, their first citizenship is ukrainian citizenship, they are citizens of ukraine. therefore, it is important for us to have this perspective, that is, a union them as their own citizens and take care of their rights if these citizens there are loyal if they are, if they are ready, you know, to be ot billings, yes, that is

, to integrate into ukrainian society, it is very important to discuss with them well, and find this best model of integration, yes, and again after all, it can be different. that is, it is an educational model that ukraine approved in 2017. it is absolutely not. or it is not assimilative . it does not force night hungarians to become mountaineers. is it somehow, if it limits rights ? yes, but a little. this question is political and budapest will ask his integration as possible and he is already asking what language the integration of ukraine into the european union is one of the strength of the criteria . institute thank you european strategy expert on ukrainian-hungarian relations now advertising and then after advertising we will return to the ukrainian fronts against russia

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time is fighting in the east well, in short, they are fighting somewhere, we don’t know about it and we are unlikely to ask about it, but this is a man with such an aristocratic view. yes, greece is a member of uh, and i became interested in asking this person. his name is taras zadorozhnyi and he is a serviceman of the armed forces of ukraine, do you see him, what does the ukrainian army look like now, how old soviet traditions are still there? well , for example, the first question i will ask now . there will be more questions. thank you for finding time for us. taras, i am glad to see you. came. but the first question is the main question from my childhood. is there, uh, this kind of hazing, this soviet army, because i was told that when there is a war, things are done, hazing gains strength only when it is peacetime, there is nothing to do

, no one attacks me, it is just it is necessary to kill this time somehow, and then the older ones start beating the younger ones. this exists now. have you heard about it? mr. taras, please . good evening. no, there is no such thing at the moment in the ukrainian army. in general, the ukrainian army is experiencing some consequences, er, some legacy. of the soviet union, and also, well, the newest things, if only with a touch of experience, it is, after all, uh, since the 14th year, as far as i know. well, what i saw here is a certain ukrainian military mentality, which is a positive characteristic of the ukrainian army and my

a subjective impression that exactly such and such an approach is ukrainian, and it is precisely the military culture of ukraine, which, of course, does not yet constitute 100% of what is happening in the army. but it is at its beginning . such a different mountain because there are three - no matter how much we say about their problematic moments , it is still a big country with great resources and a very powerful and very long army ah, mr. taras, look, uh, in the soviet union, there was such a beautiful phrase the family is the stains of capitalism when they said about crime there that this is not socialism it is so but here is the family 15 e-e stains of the soviet union in the modern ukrainian army where we can see them feel we

can somewhere some example abstract i will not ask about any concrete but some these are the remnants where we where you can hear them see feel what is there the rudeness of the commanders for example there or here some manifestations such that we understand that this is not modern , not ukrainian, not nato, but some kind of soviet soviet army, of course, since the mobilization took place in in general, he pushed the defense forces, now this is a large number of people , this is the growth of society and the problems that can be observed in society can also be observed in the army, you asked about

the remnants of the soviet and heritage there are such things, of course, and for me the most important and worst thing is not to show initiative because, after all, if we look at the problems that were in the ukrainian army at the beginning of the full-scale war, they are largely solved by volunteer movements, and it is initiative that is the key moment that gives opportunities by the ukrainian military, therefore, at the level of any unit, at the level of any brigade , still, i would like to see that the initiative is supported, that is, it is not always the case , that is, it is meant that it is conditional, i say

very conventionally, some soldier, some soldier says, but it is better to do this here, is it better to get it over there, or is it better to call there , and the commander says, well, i looked into it, and it can drag on for a day, two, three, four, and nothing moves, that is, is this what you mean ? are there any other such problems, maybe officer problems, when the officer says, listen, advance there, nemo, i will say again, conditionally , there is a field for me, and someone will tell him no. what you say is the initiative at a clash there uh, when there are hostilities and so on, but i'm not talking about that anymore, i'm talking about what uh himself well, uh , for example, there is some problem in the unit until a team comes down from above to solve this

problem. i don't i'm talking about some level of officer or sergeant or soldier. i'm talking about the mentality left over from the soviet union that there is a superior there and it is executed by the players, performers if the superiors do not give specific orders to be executed, it is not proactive for the most part, of course, there are proactive people, and there are many initiatives, they solve such problems, but there is also the fact that you say that sometimes in some challenges it is , of course , an exception. here, mr. taras, i absolutely agree with you in the sense that if it is the growth of society, i am not in the part

called volunteering in ukrainian society, there is just too much initiative, and in the end society has very little initiative, i just see it, i sometimes like that i say the phrase, they don't want it to be good, that is, an initiative is always an improvement. i see that there is a flaw and i say let's do better. and i'm at my job, i'm always trying , and there are people around me who say oh, here's something else you can do, but it's not is the norm in ukraine , the majority of people do not think like that, they take the initiative, look, and there are some elements, perhaps, pride, perhaps, such and such , you know, a straight back about, for example , the ukrainian insurgent army, or whether it is taken from there, well, perhaps, i don’t know. well, maybe not traditions because in what traditions when it was a long time ago and it was very underground, i don't know if or how

it is possible to get traditions from underground and whether it is possible to create these traditions underground, but there are people who understand many people know that in fact you stand on the shoulders of e- the army of the unr, the army of the university of ukraine, if all of our national liberation competitions were spread, this is whiskey, this is euro, there is no understanding , maybe there is no tradition, but there is no understanding of where the modern ukrainian army is today, as i said, on the shoulders of the predecessors. well , you are talking about such a moral component in general soldiers. they consist of three components: moral, psychological training, physical training, and technical training specifically for the profession of those who are engaged in the military. of these three, moral and psychological training is the most important, because when a person goes into battle, he must have a clear picture of the world behind

that she is doing something, for which she is fighting because , well, as they say, no one wants to go under bullets, and in order to do this and remain healthy for combat, you need to have certain moral and psychological qualities, i can't to say that it is distributed in all units because i communicate with different military personnel from different brigades, the training is precisely at the moral level, er, it exists in the third assault brigade , these are all messages and it is set at a very high level, but not all brigades have it, and the last question can group, i think that the last one is possible, and i know that you are giving an interview to the greek mass media, because your native language is, as it were, ukrainian , and greek, and what do the greeks ask what are they interested

in, what questions do they ask you? i am not me i don't ask what you are answering. this is your attempt, your personal matter, but the joke is that europeans are interested in this case , there are not so many orthodox europeans in europe, but the greeks are orthodox europeans, mr. taras, well, look at the greeks, they are there, russian propaganda was active for many years. well, there have been economic benefits of russians and greeks from russians for many years, and that's why i mostly try to talk about, well , bring the greek audience to real events, because greeks have a very limited knowledge of what's happening in ukraine and the interests. well, yes

frankly, russian interests exist even in political circles, because it is as if politicians are very closely connected with economic circles in greece, and economic ones when they have benefits from russian investments in greece, and that's why i'm just trying to lead to real events to real conditions here so that there was no promotion of the russian problem, i do not have such a large volume of listeners there, but still at least those who join . everyone, happiness, life and victory. and i am finishing this part of the program . it was really nice to talk to the track. we have known his parents for many years

. and interprets pro-russian and sometimes pro-russian greeks about what is happening in ukraine on the fronts anna ivamelnik and news on espresso tv and i say goodbye to you goodbye thank you for your work, the news editor continues to work and in this issue, in particular, i will tell about the fact that ihor kolomoiskyi arrived in court, the details of this and other events , i will start with the fact that the russian military struck kramatorsk in the donetsk region , the kramatorsk city council was informed that several series of explosions were heard in the city, residents are finding debris around the city, including those that are not torn up projectiles in one of the districts