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am terribly pleased to have a guest live in studies at this early time religion from skills historian taras antoshevskyi congratulations mr. taras thank you for visiting us because it is a long story and it continues we monitor every second this is the internal front covered by christianity icons and so on i am about the moscow order of lenin the patriarchate which calls itself the uoc we tried to talk about it yesterday with metropolitan draybank, we heard something . we did not hear answers to the questions, so maybe it will be easier for you to explain why the state of ukraine and the security service of ukraine have taken so long since a full-scale invasion did not move the agents and direct agents and agents of influence who covered themselves with robes of icons and christ. i would say only not the order of lenin, because indeed lenin fought with them

, he personally had a founder on them. there are 80 days around the world for the little thing to hide like that actually remember when was the first time he came eh it wasn't a search because it was investigative actions against bishop pavlo and he is so brazen and says what he says i've been waiting for you for three days so i warned him so that is, he already knew what they will come to him. why is that? because the moscow patriarchate was from the same root as the kgb. everything is so closely connected there , they worked for years and left. because it means that the roots were hibiscusing with the sbu. or is it just another political task? let’s say that when we talked a year ago . why, for example, did this so-called so-called cathedral take place. although it is not a cathedral according to any canons. what was in the team , although according to all documents. from the point of view of the state and from the point of view of the canons, there is no

reservation, that is, people who have elementary knowledge of theology of the church they can say nothing here and those who are specialists just laugh at all that plus the fact that in fact if they remained in unity with the moscow center even in spite of this it is demonstrative and in fact this imitation was actually done by order of the state so why? because the law on renaming was adopted at the end of the 18th year, and the state will say so for a longer time. enforce that law. well , in fact, it will be five years in december, since this law has not been implemented, they should have been called differently, other churches that also they have centers, for example tserobryadtsiv. they have already changed their name. they have already broken away from them there, nothing at all . i am in chernivtsi, in vinnytsia, in odesa, a little more like that, but in fact they began to understand that no one will protect them. orthodox storoblyarnytska this is how they started to play imitation and this is the minister of culture . last year, in may, when he told that there is no moscow patriarchate, his

servants from the civil service said also that there is no moscow patriarchate, well, conditionally speaking, if today i call myself the novel of seagull, i won’t become the novel of a check, or i also have glasses, so it doesn’t matter how i call myself in who i am in essence and in the campaign that we see the temple of the moscow patriarchate she only hints that she is essentially that then explain why uh when the situation changed when the pechersk lavra that is already all this much suffering sometimes comedic sometimes dramatic series we have already watched anyway moscow popy however, in zhytomyr oblast, they still get on with the same thing with which they started their activities directly as agitators of the russian world, they continue to distribute some propaganda about the civil war behind them already the whole background when moskovskyi drank the uoc mp about were direct terrorists , militants from the bitter beginning so he uh, and you all these years of war. why do they continue to act so openly and brazenly

? well, because they feel protected. so , they were given a year ago, let's say, they said everything is fine . they decided yes, it means that everything is fine, everything is working as it is. i am already a trifle again in the 18th year of the struggle for tomos and in fact tomos - it was a great merit on the one hand of the patriarch in the reforms and on the other hand of peter , or in fact, the ukrainian orthodox environment is not ready they didn't do anything to get it, it was presented to them at the trinity , i thought so, and i was closely involved with the flow of information that was happening at that time, and there were such interesting speeches, i remember welcome this visit of the patriarch kirill to the fanar there but again, there is a fake about tea, which seems to be all that, in fact , well, it’s kind of stupid when his guest will serve you in your house. yes, actually there , patriarch kirill said a very important thing, he said one thing, that’s all it must be stopped why because soon there will be another president and all of this will be irrelevant and that’s how it happened

zelensky comes and the return back to the worst times begins we record about the perekon and we see that the community there in the 19th year was already fucking, then they were all sent back to the londo russian church, so the documents were not reissued in the regional administrations of the president's office , in fact, they did not go from somewhere to the president's office, they stopped all the processes, taras, let's go let's see what, that is, everything is clear with lavra , with the official representative of the mercedes company , kiev-pechersk lavra pasha, mercedes , everything is also clear, it is not clear with another center of influence, our special services at one time are good documented how the fsbeshniks through transnistria, occupied by moldova, bragged to pochaiv, even as they say, the names and titles of the pochaiv lavra were written in pencil, especially these hot events this summer when they

were playing there in a cross procession through sunflower fields and bypassing er-e bridges it was forbidden, and in this case why are they so bold and insolent in violating it, i mean the organizers of the russian pops who do it and the flock, which top or sonyakha? let’s say yes. chernivtsi region south khmelnytskyi region vinnytsia region south these are regions where the spirit of pochaivskyi is very, very strong, but in the center there are actually centers of pochaivskyi movement in bukovina , kamianets-podilskyi is one of the centrivets and er, down in the vinnytsia region . about what we now see that if it is necessary to judge outright separatists, outright criminals from the moscow patriarchate, the judges are excused, why do we have some of them openly say we are also belong to that church yes, uh, when my friend who worked once in the security service, he says they collected data and collected data in odesa region and vinnytsia region, that's how

such criminal activity has been coming for some time. did not make a political decision and that a year ago they, uh, we said a year ago that in fact, certain pressures on them have begun , uh, this is preparation for the elections. this current government needs a law-abiding church, the church is not a reliable church because they uh, they were given tomos, they voted against poroshenko. yes, they were. where was their yes, the number of matches and the results, because where is the number of couples ? why was only galicia in favor? well, look , in this case, you are still very often even politicians who understand that the church is a separate state, they say it is a law banning the moscow church, in fact the russian orthodox church in ukraine, which should be called the uoc mp, it is not only about declaring in the name of the moscow center an aggressor country, this is what they say, it is

not at all about religion and not about freedom of conscience, this is about national security, that's what the deputy or head of the state actually says of the executive government, too, it's already a matter of national security, that this is the network you just talked about is wide and branched, so it's an internal front that can undermine the situation. is it only with the elections it's connected to this election and this and this is their question why look they have a network yes their network is actually very powerful i.e. no and no other church has such a network no party has such an obedient network why do they fight so much for temples and not fight for people is because in every temple they will still have 10 people who will hold on. why don't they have a headquarters at a stronghold, and this is a way of influencing where they lost a temple, they immediately create a new temple, that is, there must be influence. why is this network necessary, because if you have the network, you can influence the processes in society, like us in the lviv region at one time, the election of the 15th year was very well visible , they showed a lot. they showed where the parishes

of the moscow patriarchate were, not just nominal ones , not just old ones, but where they they were really effective there, they voted for completely pro-russian parties, but you can also see which of the priests went with which parties, and these are also interesting things for the mind. the communist party of ukraine called me to the elections, it's your hand, boys , we're on fire, we'll move on to other topics now , we want to have time to talk, but there is one point about which i tried to ask vladyka about it yesterday. maybe you can say more. look now there is a kind of flow of communities and priests from the uoc of the moscow patriarchate to the russian orthodox church of ukraine, which, unlike moscow, has a real tomos. yes , we understand that this issue is almost similar to a military one, why do i have a quilted

jacket in the trench next to me and a machine gun ? well, yes any of our defenders told me why the one who changed his shoes in this case, when the priests who for decades worked for russian peace, russian idea and holy russia, how dangerous it is and can to blow up the orthodox church of ukraine from the inside well, i don't think it will be that dangerous, it was dangerous at the beginning why because if, for example , a lot of bishops of the moscow patriarchate really came, they would be a respectable force and, let's say, when a native of the scythian patriarchate was it is difficult to have full power, so we will all say such things because it really looked from the side. this is exactly how it is from the other side, if we are talking about the clergy of the moscow patriarchate, it is far from all so frankly about moskovskiy, i would even say that there are regions in what we mentioned, keraminets-podilskyi, the same pochaiv, where they have such a great influence that there

well, there won't be. they simply have the maximum influence. so where there is a whole thing about the moscow spirit, but there are places where there are not many of them. and why do you not take into account all these regions in the list of volyn , of course there is volyn, and let’s say , for example, volyn, the volyn region his own time was quite pro-ukrainian, the previous metropolitan, who was there, he had pro-ukrainian views, there will be, uh, yes, just look, we have it. it is vinnytsia that bishop simeon has pro-ukrainian views, and i talked with the cleric who even earlier , let’s say, the good times of yushchenko when sabodan took such a pro-ukrainian line and began to push it, it felt very good who supported him and it was felt , what views are there. i now communicate with many priests from the moscow patriarchate . who still remains there at all? i understand why they stay there. i think that they expect something. they don't want

to move. there are, for example, priests who come. we recently wrote a news story about something. three priests moved three parishes. it's not that he took the keys and handed them over, as it used to be. when they were transferred to the mp, this is actually what he wants to convince people of, but i know of cases where in fact that structure already works powerfully as an agent , even during the unification cathedral. i have seen priests who are completely pro-ukrainian, who can to say there are such, well, they can be. here is such a good one with a sample of ukrainian orthodoxy, they didn’t switch immediately, then he says you left six months before it became clear that there would be a tomos in my parish , people appeared completely about moscow views, how could they be those people who used to come to me, for some reason they stopped listening to me, that is, this agency works, it knows who gives to whom, and it is very strong and you know from below when you come to communicate with the hierarch yourself, you enter the kiev-pechersk lavra and you see, uh, just a row of mercedes jeeps with with moscow license plates with a tricolor on the license plate, you understand

how it works from above and below. well, concluding our, er, actually, this part of the conversation, we showed footage of these people trampling the fields and walking on the streets for a reason. the so-called holy procession of the moscow church is a large number of people here as well look at certain things, even if these priests are simple and people will go to whole parishes or individually, there are very characteristic things that i don't have to tell you about, that's what i tried to outline and realized that the word obscurantist is just the best this spirit of the dark that reigns in the moscow church is suitable for this, it is present everywhere in the churches, when you enter the moscow church, let's say, but these parishioners, you enter this church, some dragonflies pounce on you , women who are without tails, and some unwashed uncles pounce on you, shouting that events, they paid then to cross their child bentley, we have a thousand because it is a vip-class car

, to sanctify it, but you will bring all the rest of the bullshit. parishioners in which you know such taliban and orthodoxy of the brain in one, they have no problem with the fact that er put up a big board of er svetorebtsev of the imperial family and at the same time talk immediately about those who shot them are you a member of the mystical party to take the imperial flag, carry the icon of the banner, and at the same time i will consecrate russia to the emperor , er, plow, what to do with these marriage killers, that is, the orthodox church of ukraine will be able to overcome this when people will not walk like fathers. londo christianity how do you believe and not these eyes? in fact, i would still like to look from the other side , conditionally speaking, we are now adopting a law that prohibits the moscow patriarchate in ukraine

, well, the law will be adopted with the liquidation of conditionally legal entities, and what to do with these people, they are so poor and many others things and the same thing that is done eh what is the catch there is a priest who spreads moscow propaganda this is an aggressive mobilization of his flock this is a competition to control so that they are exactly the way they are so that alone it is possible to manage and now there is another such interesting challenge, i say that really, on certain things , one can see very well who is breathing what, what is on whose mind , the calendar question. i saw in social networks how they react, and not only the representatives of the moscow patriarchate react, but also the representatives of the greek catholics who of the orthodox church of ukraine why because it is also under the influence of that propaganda because , relatively speaking, if the priest saw that the moscow patriarchate has so that's what he said, and people should not think, people should to carry out this, there is such a clear algorithm of work, it becomes him, too, he thinks to himself. and why can't it be like this for me? and if he came from the same environment, it is not that he would come from the moscow patriarchate to the ptu, so very often

those who come with priests are such communities are quite good, well, they can even be really living communities , real communities. yes, but actually when i follow the communication, when you look at the reactions in us here, even in galicia, in fact , to certain of these calendar issues, you understand that that marak is the resistance from e-e from well opim how sown it is not only in the moscow patriarchate because it is an unwillingness to understand unwillingness to know unwillingness to speak we can laugh with the pope that he talks about russian things like that yes but at the same time in us at the government level, official publications and full-time historians with diplomas speak russian peace and russia - it is us, if putin says that ukrainians arose from it is unknown when, and we, er , irus, we give them here, we confirm

putin's words, so actually, here eh- is an option that pseudo stories through zaliztsi muscovite to establish as a stolen and converted e rus russia yes well we understand where they climb and where the legs grow from well but you never told me if there is a possibility to overcome marakobijsya from below to his question well of course marakobijsyas you know i would say macrobijtsya will suppressed in two ways, on the one hand, there is a violent secularization and elimination of this and that and that is. saying so has its pluses and huge minuses, because in fact, behind this colorization, there is a new communistization, because in fact, this collation is a left-wing movement to a large hospital, yes. that is, we are fighting the soviet past and promoting the terms progressive and so on, other left-wing ideas , yes, on the other hand, enlightenment, enlightenment , explanation, and here is the biggest problem , because if the leaders are glue, and not only the mp, then these stereotypes are historical and approaches to activity the priest should be engaged in the priest is old in the soviet world of the russian world there they remain so so therefore accordingly i say if instead of telling about the real

holiday the essence of the holidays they tell fairy tales of the russian world so what is the sanctity of st. yuri what is struggling with the snake and where is christianity here? well, you need to explain certain things to people, but you know what needs to be done, don’t invest in it already. is it necessary to work? because even the calendar reform, you know, our people are generally lagging behind in their openness to something new and it is necessary to work on it. the laws won't help you, this is the first one, this is the first one. do you remember shevchenko wrote this one and the second one, hmm, so it's about peter i, catherine ii, well, it 's the russians who wore german, um, something like that, or something like that, a little german, yes, that's about it. case it is interesting that after receiving a left-wing german education, the latin american pope actually sang to these two dictators of the youth

and said , "you are the emperors." it is explained well, he really does not know history, but the mass of us here, the general mass, do not know history, not even close to anything. well, even those who are called us patriots spread uh , russian historiography, schemes of russian history uh, next thing, uh, he has advisers and here the question is that we remember that under pope john paul ii the advisers are people and this has always been the pride of the vatican. they are some of the best scientists in various fields who could advise the pope. yes, the pope had a text when pope john paul ii came to ukraine, uh, i worked in the press , the service received the text, all the journalists received the text in advance, they could work with that text. they knew that the pope would say it at the end, small corrections were made, that is, he has

a bad analytical service and advisers or something listens to what they write. and i have started reading quite a lot now. thank god we can translate these things. what italian journalists write. american journalists who are sophisticated and who understand well what they write. what our journalists write is very often a repetition of russian propaganda, and they they write basically, study what is there and they talk about elementary things when the pope says one thing you were in russia he had a prepared text and then he starts speaking on his own it reminds me of another one too uh the unrepentant president, in fact, when they speak from paper, everything is fine. when you start speaking from yourself, all kinds of madness begins, and even now there is such a situation that the press service of the vatican is official. so it does not want to be responsible for the things that the pope says , this is because there are official texts and not once there was such a thing that the text that was prepared by the pope threw out the hall and said everything he wanted others to say, and here is the question: who is shaping his worldview?

and who? mentioned about nato. later, when they got to the truth, he didn't say that everything was knocking on the door too much. that's all he said. in fact, i was told by others , but it's cut out and it seems that the pope is saying that, so it's good for him, but in this case, it's still no, this is systematically repeated, the first year after a full -scale invasion, this option is to equate the executioner and the victim on the stations of the cross , to put the russian occupier and the ukrainian victim a second time - this is repeated, then all the smaller things, that is, here some people say listen, we can systematically do this and there are carriers of all the stereotypes of trotskyism, stalinism, and neo-exaggeration. he doesn't know anything about

anything. yes, when is the head of the parliament what? speaking, he was brought up in this environment, and it is easier for us to understand him because we ourselves were brought up in a similar environment , that is, they had their own bag for their bag, so the second thing is that our people are born with prepositions, in particular , the greek catholics did not succumb to the fact that it is the pope and they very clearly in the same way, i would say that because we, relatively speaking, my grandfather cursed the soviet government every day. so i was brought up in that environment. so here i was in an official soviet school in the 80s. i saw one thing, but at home i had a completely different upbringing, so to speak. why do we have a problem, for example, with the perception of many things, because the majority of people, the absolute majority of people in our soviet times, they were part of that soviet union , they did not oppose it, as much as they listened, they also had alternative

information. so now the pope, for example, behind all of them last year, according to many others, which in our time , in fact, the same italian media already wrote . why are they not studying? people are now sitting and saying there is the moscow third rome, here is rome, and it turns out that the moscow circle is in the vatican, and people will say, oh my god, what nonsense, and right away our people will spread russian er-e dungeons , for example, it does not exist as such, it does not exist at all there is no, that is, it is not a bank and it is formed in a different way like typical points . that is, it is more of a treasury than a bank. no, no, in fact, no one hyped this topic, and that's why we didn't hear the positive things that sounded

and about what he said that clearly who is the aggressor and do you even remember this case that he had an online tv in march 22nd year with the patriarch like us they submitted it, everything submitted, oh he wanted to talk to him, it’s already bad , and what he told him that the moscow edition was just boiling, he humiliated him so much he told him that you perform the functions of the lowest, lowest, smallest servant who is in the church, that is, a boy on the run you stooped to such a level, you stooped to such a level to the patriarch, you stooped to putin, we almost didn’t hear it, again why is a certain question, but there is one more thing, but that in addition to the fact that he was brought up in that environment, he was also brought up and has advisers corresponding to many advisers who he eavesdrops on it, and it is also being written now, including sometimes here, although we also like to twist information, the real problem is that these advisers are also connected to the russian special services, and the russian special services

have been working intensively there, it seems, since the 20th or with from the 19th to the beginning of the 22nd, there was no way to weaken cannes, so our embassy is nothing, just a few people . once upon a time, his beatitude lubomyr said that the embassy in the vatican should be on a par with the embassy in america, large , influential, powerful, saturated, it should work because the vatican - it's like a hub where different streams converge. and we lost with our hands in that game for decades . we lost in that game for less than two minutes. taras and we still wo n't talk to you. of the greek-catholic church and the reaction of the parishioners themselves, ah, but look. well, september 2 - it was yesterday , you can see for yourself. oh, how good genghis khan was. and in general, pax mongolika. this, in general, is simple, well, from his words, it turns out that

molodets of chernihiv, who is shitty on all captured lands, made peace and almost for non-democracy , where is he from? why on the one hand, this is a consequence of the fact that all empires are good, except for the american one, and the british one, and the british british-american one. that's right, this empire is evil , and all the rest are, although we can see that where the british empire was, most of the countries are prosperous. so we have one minute. explain, and on the other hand, i think that this is a big company discrediting the father, well, he himself, well, he didn’t read, he didn’t prepare for such things , someone pushes those ideas to him, someone tells him , the man is over 80 years old, he doesn’t sit and can’t read everything, he can't prepare pitchy, this is not benedict , who was a scientist who prepared himself and could speak, what exactly is the problem? i think that this is also an internal discrediting of the church, and it is very serious, yes , i want to thank mr. taras tarasa , antoshevsky, an expert on religion, a historian, on this note, when in the vatican

will listen to gdyar's recordings or genghis khan we have to say goodbye thank you mr. taras well, we will pass the word to our colleagues and meet a little later on the express broadcast thank you roman so the updated information for this hour , i will tell you in a moment where to wait for ten on the clock, it is time to find out what is happening in ukraine and the world at this time khrystyna parubiy is working in the studio, one person died, six more were injured during the day as a result of enemy shelling of the kherson region, in general, the occupiers fired more than half a thousand shells from mortars, artillery, tanks, hails and aviation in the region, and also attacked with drones , they informed in the regional military