[000:00:00;00] then for another hour and a half and now we will talk about our euro-atlantic integration olga stefanishyna atlantic integration of ukraine congratulations mrs. olga i congratulate you i congratulate you let's start with the most important thing in my opinion, which is what is happening with our negotiations on joining the european union with the fulfillment of the conditions, what are the negotiations , can the negotiations begin before the fulfillment of the conditions, what does it all look like ah, really? an issue that again includes the issue of democracy, the rule of law, therefore, of course, our path of democratic transformation does not end with the recommendations themselves, at the same time, in october of this year, very soon, we expect a decision of the european commission that will determine

our progress according to seven political criteria within the framework of the copenhagen membership criteria and a-a will provide recommendations on the possible opening of the negotiation process itself we are looking forward to the plenary session of our parliament next week where we plan the adoption of the most important legislative decisions a-a, but already today we can say that exactly two recommendations a-a are completely closed within the framework of the european integration process itself, this is the block that concerns the judicial reform a-a and e-e the election on the introduction of all the necessary foundations for its implementation a-a block relating to legislation on media and the media market and the block relating to e-e the start of the competition to the constitutional court has already been completed, the law has been signed, we expect that the venice commission will submit

proposals to the composition of the international expert groups and this process - it begins. that is, it follows from what you said to ms. olga that we will already have time to fulfill most of the conditions correctly or not. this means that these are only certain steps within the framework of those conditions, and these conditions exist , i would say that the conditions themselves are certain steps within the framework of structural changes in the state, for example, if we are talking about the issue of national minorities, you know very well that this is quite a sensitive issue relative to some countries, and this process and the settlement of problematic issues, particularly in the educational process, will be it cannot be long-term. it can be assessed on the scale of six months or a year ago. in fact, within the framework of the seven recommendations, we will do everything that is necessary. we have already completed a large part of the tasks and the law. we praised and received the opinion of the venice commission

. we implemented it. we are currently preparing a state program with national minorities, but this process will definitely not be completed even when the negotiations begin , so the seven recommendations actually contain all the steps that we need for communication with by the member states are fulfilled and will be fulfilled by october of this year unequivocally. in principle, how long can you count on the duration of the process of near-european integration? how do you imagine the closing of all these sections that we have to go through ? will continue. i would say that the negotiations are the simplest process of those that are expected of us on the way to membership and after membership, because it is a process of implementation of already existing standards

eu practitioners and we are greatly helped by the fact that today this year marks 10 years since we signed the association agreement and began to implement the association agreement. the government team has completed the screening of legislation and today we have determined that almost 2,000 rules of eu standards have been implemented in our legislation . - this is almost 10 times more than was foreseen by the water of the association from the entire volume of obligations that are usually assumed by the member states, we need to implement a sufficiently small amount in order to be a competitive member of the eu, therefore, from a technical point of view, within the next two years, there is an absolutely realistic prospect of closing the negotiations, but there are definitely political factors related to the a-a full-scale war that continues today, the conditions of ukraine's accession to the european union, and these decisions a-a, of course, depend from the progress of ukraine, but they have a very

large geopolitical context, and even today you hear that when it comes to ukraine, we are also talking about almost ten other countries, and we hope that as long as ukraine does its homework, we will also find a general consensus regarding the political conditions of eu enlargement. you have already noted that the issue of national minorities is a sensitive issue. this is clear. we even specifically understand which country we are talking about. which are based on the truth is the most difficult thing or not do you agree that it is probably an anti-corruption reform because, considering what messages we have recently, almost every day someone from the military and from the officials is accused first of all of corruption and on a large scale, and actually, i would also pay attention to the blog that

deals with anti-corruption reform, because actually when the european commission determined at the beginning of the decision to grant ukraine candidate status, the tasks according to this recommendation concerned only the appointment of heads of anti-corruption bodies and there is enough progress in anti-corruption investigations at the same time and actually the implementation of this recommendation even in the conditions of war launched completely restarted completely the work of anti-corruption bodies a and e actually, we are for ourselves. well, politically, yes, politicians chose a strategy of zero tolerance for any cases, that's why today we see a large number of dismissals and systematic investigations that take place due to isolated cases that are identified by anti-corruption bodies , of course, this is again block a, which is impossible to complete. or to say that ukraine

has completely overcome corruption is a continuous process, and for us this recommendation is actually the most important because it is a matter of absolute trust in the state of transparency the functioning of the state and the financial support of ukraine, in particular, in the process of recovery also depends on this, but first of all , the financial support of ukraine is connected with the survival of our state during the period of a full-scale war, therefore, of course, this is the most important - the most difficult block where we have not formally to approach its implementation , we must first of all build trust in us as a state and in state institutions, and this is much more systematic and complicated than simply passing laws and ticking political boxes. and tell us about bilateral relations, these difficulties that we now have

there from poland, i am not talking about the difficulties with hungary, you know this very well , how much they can affect the negotiation process, pay attention to the fact that we do not have such difficulties with hungary, there are probably certain difficulties in hungary from the point of view of the e-e block in history that they occupied and from poland it is really a very unpleasant kevins and it is connected with the restrictions on grain experts in poland of grain crops in poland and it is the incitement by poland of four more eu countries to carry out such restrictions, it is an unpleasant case for of ukraine for the european union, because these countries did not have the right, but the constitutional right, according to their legislation , to make such decisions, and of course for our agricultural market , this is a very personal decision, because we all know how the country survives in war conditions, and that

in fact the eu countries are not in fact, there are countries - this is the only direction of realization or export of products. we began to draw conclusions from such decisions that it is really friendship of friendship, we have a lot of good projects with poland, there are a lot of places where they support us but such unfriendly actions will still take place and we have determined that it is actually necessary to develop other corridors and other capacities . today we are working in klin on the danube corridor to develop the border customs infrastructure with romania and the baltic direction legal countries and this is a lesson for of ukraine because we have to find and not only revive , rebuild, rebuild and improve european standards, but also rethink our place on the geopolitical and economic map of europe, and this

place must be mutually acceptable for both this is a good lesson for ukraine and for our neighbors and, in general, for the balance in the european union, but i think that for poland it is also a-a case where they will draw conclusions and understand that in a strategic perspective, the conditions necessary for the survival of ukraine force us to rapidly develop alternative export corridors, which will actually be the main trade arteries after the war, the restoration of peace in europe, and it is obvious that poland does not want to be on the side of those countries that did not take advantage of this opportunity, so we we hope that the restrictions will not be extended after september 15, instead, the huge funds and compensation received by poland will be directed to the development of solidarity corridors and the deployment

of additional capacities for the transit of products . what are the chances that they will not extend the restrictions at least unilaterally ? this decision is made by the european commission because, as a member of the european union, the country renounces trade policy, it is a sovereign authority of the european union, therefore the european commission will to make decisions, we meet almost every week in the format of the appropriate coordination platform, we have assurances about several things, and the first is that no statistics or data confirm or confirm threats to the european union market, and actually the second, which follows from the first, is that the expediency of such restrictions a of course, no country can impose unilateral restrictions, but this will inevitably lead to two things

. against the european union regarding the violation of the association agreement. well, and the internal agreements of the eu, and the third . of course , this is the deprivation of funding. moreover, i want to draw attention to the fact that polish colleagues are very actively monitoring my public statements on this issue. i want to draw the attention of colleagues who will listen to us , namely ukrainian farmers who have already signed an appeal to the management of the institution of european countries and to these countries, in which they themselves confirm that transit through this territory is a priority for them and that they are ready to independently prioritize exports outside these countries. i think that under such

conditions there are no political chances to continue these restrictions. well, i i actually wanted to ask you so much at this moment as to what if the neighboring countries will set conditions for us during the negotiations, as it happened, let's say from north macedonia and at first they set conditions, then bulgaria - this is a process of negotiations, you can say it didn't start to the end because the northern academy all the time depends on how its european integration will be perceived by the neighbors. and it's very important, but you just understand that it's like that, it's a bell, it's a signal, it's connected to each other, it's not just like that, you know a this will inevitably happen. i would really like to say that there will be no such cases in ukraine, and there is such a saying, nothing personal, just business, and membership

in the eu is also very serious, and along with homework, every time, any step forward will require a political decision. why are we concentrating so much on the opening of negotiations because the opening of negotiations is the last let's say a purely political decision that can be adopted at the level of leaders, then there will be negotiations, it will be an assessment of specific areas, and it will all be very a pragmatic long process , but we will be able to start it only after passing the blocks of the foundation . of course, countries will present their positions. and with regard to national minorities, some countries are particularly serious in monitoring the blocks related to the rule of law, and some countries er, other issues er, but i believe that based on how the previous decisions were praised, er, year after year

, other countries become hostages, because they want to make a decision regarding ukraine, which does not create grounds for not open negotiations or not recognize progress according to the recommendations of other countries that, let's say, actively advocate the interests of the western balkans or other countries in europe, er, make them hostage to decisions regarding ukraine, these are more such contexts. actually, already in december of this year, we will see how it happens actually come on, i would also like to congratulate you on paying such attention to such a moment, it is very interesting, it will be easier for us in a certain way because, oh, we also have moldova and georgia, and moldova, which follows ukraine, is based on ukrainian progress, and the decision in the european union is held in a certain way and today we have to realize that ukraine is not in a group of countries, but ukraine is

the country that is followed by two more countries, and in fact , not making a decision on ukraine will also mean not making a decision on georgia and moldova, so in a certain way we are stronger here because our zeal is, let's say, very serious, and for now we are pulling these countries behind us. olga, briefly, directly about hungary, after all, it is very interesting what kind of rhetoric our diplomats and representatives of the eu have towards hungary, what statements are being made to them because they are blocking the allocation of funds there and in general they put many obstacles on the way to the european union , well, again, we absolutely realistically perceive the fact that hungary has chosen its uh, its side in the historical uh, in the historical perspective

, yes, in history. we draw your attention to the fact that most of the decisions that require hungary's approval are made either at the site of the european union or at the site of the united nations or at the site of nato, and here it is actually up to the allies themselves to find arguments to convince them, and today we see that everything after all, we have 11 packages of sanctions, we have a huge program of macro-financial assistance, and the decision on ukraine's membership in nato was adopted at the freedom summit, and this means that together with our ally, we always found arguments that allow us to reach solutions and maybe hungary does not have such strong positions that would allow them to block certain issues as it was before in the times when only crimea was annexed and the war was a hybrid let's put it this way ms. olga thank you very much for participating in our

eteri olga stefanishyna, vice prime minister and minister for european and euro-atlantic integration, was in touch with us. and now nataliya plaksienko , an expert on east asia from butyr, is in touch with us and we will start with the upcoming meeting the twenties there are a lot of quite interesting events ms. nataliya that is why we congratulate you that is why in your opinion why in your opinion president putin will not go to the twenties itself when he did not go to brics it was possible to understand that the south african republic ratified the rome statute and there were certain cautions of pretoria itself so that vladimir putin was not there and vladimir putin could think that suddenly if and this of course explained everything only india is not the same country that criticized the roman statutes vladimir putin in new delhi has nothing

threatened, he could show that he is not isolated, authoritative, why he did not go to india, we do not feel so sure that he did not go, well, if they showed themselves, he will not succeed in any case. - in any case, putin will not be greeted politely. he will have to and had to talk about the war and not about pleasant topics for him . actually, nothing special. putin is good. to face putin's certain fear of visits. as you can see, it was said for a long time that putin was visiting turkey and everything seemed to be decided, but he still did not go to turkey and president erdogan is going to see him, and the only allegedly confirmed visit so far is a visit to china in october this month this year, well, you and i will see how

brave putin will be in general for foreign visits . and actually speaking , he will be more comfortable in china during this period, after all , because, first of all, there will be a presence in mainly countries that maintain neutrality and have not confirmed their visit to western countries to date, that is, putin is also uncomfortable and he still does not go there where he does not feel that he will not be slapped, despite the fact that in fact they are protecting. there will be 130,000 law enforcement officers and air defense systems. everything is deployed will be very serious, but we can see that putin is still terrified that he can either be destroyed or he simply does not want to talk. as you said with western leaders , it came as a surprise to me that he does not plan to

to visit the g20 in fact about seat-drinking let's take a look at the visits he made in general. well, at least since the fall when he was re-elected for the third time after the fall congress for the first time . this is a visit to central asia, kazakhstan, uzbekistan, something last year, visits to the persian gulf countries, a trip to russia, a trip to bricks, and a trip last year to the big 20, as we see it, visits to such large venues where all the calls, it was important to resolve certain matters. well, after the congress, it was important to go and make such a diplomatic visit, a nod to his new re-election. well, plus , the country was closed for a long time due to covid, and he did not make any

visits for this reason, and not to eat to him. and no one, that is, he needed to establish diplomatic relations in those places that he is interested in, what about the big twenty, well, first of all, it is the relations between india and china, they are not easy, and here , literally, in brics, two leaders for the first time since in the 20th year, after difficult clashes on the border, they negotiated that from now on they will solve all their border issues peacefully. well, after a few days , china literally prints a map on which it er-er draws er-er territories of india as its own. that is, this the question is already not simple between the two countries, plus, as far as we know today, it is not only that the g20 is not a joint combine in connection with the russian aggression against ukraine, russia

will block this decision, well, china is uncomfortable after all, he will be at this summit because, in any case, he does not support the position of the majority of western countries and, accordingly, all the money. well, it is obvious that he does not want to show his pro-russian neutrality again and hear once again, for example , from the leaders of western countries that he should influence somehow to russia, er, well, that is, for today, it is possible for sizenpinnya. the person assigned to this summit is not a priority, and similarly, next week, he will also be from the assam, where he is sending the prime minister. well, obviously, that too he doesn't see such priority tasks at this summit , and maybe it's happening because he doesn't want to go to india once again to meet with prime minister mindy because the relations between india and china

don't look good, one of the reasons is actually speaking, i said that at brics they talked among themselves, that is, the leaders of the countries do not completely ignore each other, but still india is a country where china is, the chinese president would like to make visits once again , really, this is because the countries are not easy relations are still not p- and because these issues are of a territorial nature. they are still in such a very suspended state, as far as we know , on the border from time to time these clashes take place accordingly. the attention of each of the leaders to discuss, well, obviously, this small dialogue on brics is enough because , as a matter of fact, there is nothing to discuss yet for the two countries whose main issue is

a territorial dispute. and what will be contained in the communiqué after the meeting if lavrov has already stated that he will not sign anything related to everything that will be against russia. it is clear. will there be any general phrases again? maybe, but there is such a probability that there will be no commissars at all. the fact is that india had great ambitions in this regard. right here, wanting to be a country which represents the interests of the global south, and of course it had the opportunity to make this summit more productive. but the reluctance to get involved in the russian-ukrainian war, well, considering even the position of india, which is also neutral , although it has repeatedly voiced the phrase that it

advocates for peace and in a rendering fashion during a meeting, for example, with volodymyr zelenskyi in hiroshima, he said that he would do everything in his power to achieve peace, but india did not do this, moreover, it distanced itself in a certain way from the invitation of our president and from the active discussion of those consequences which the world feels because of russian aggression and accordingly at the previous summits of the meetings of the ministers there was never a communique adopted it is precisely because of india's position to separate the economic issues that are taken care of they are urgent questions. well, officially, even their official version is that security , security, military issues are not the area of ​​discussion for the g20. actually, this is a very big mistake, because everything that concerns current problems and the global cock, in particular, is related specifically to

putin's actions and the lack of recognition of this has led to the fact that , as a matter of fact, the kommunyaks, if it does happen, it will be completely without any results for india and for india, this summit will not be as smooth as he would have liked, given the fact that on the one hand russia will block, on the other hand, india did not give the ukrainian president an opportunity to come forward and talk about these problems in more depth and detail, even if the church was threatened with some kind of possible discussion. why is putin going to china? well, first of all, we will wait to see if putin will go, but in fact , the support of china is now important for putin both from the point of view of diplomacy and from the point of view

of repeating narratives from the economic point of view support, because if it were not for china's economic support, it is obvious that putin's putin would be so confident today, plus, unfortunately for us, one way or another , china is noticed in the re-export of various military spare parts, and we see it repeatedly in reports, and accordingly, this support of course, putin needs very much, on the one hand, this visit should be ostensibly in response to the meeting of the dengpin because this summit is timed to the tenth anniversary of the belt and the belt and the path of geopolitics of the strategic project of the dengpin on the other side of russia, of course

it is important to maintain relations with china and to receive this help from china. well, it is obvious that putin will have a personal conversation with his visit, if he makes it in any case, and the issue of the war, the question of how it develops, how putin sees it, everything will be discussed. to a certain extent, putin needs to go and explain what he plans next , no matter what. because china is his closest partner, and you and i saw this during the meeting in sieden. what is putin anyway? to one degree or another, he is accountable to this day for his actions and his behavior and very much. but they, of course, so that china somehow understands what is happening with me, let's discuss the topic of the visit

of the head of the british foreign ministry to china, in fact , for the first time in five years and it is interesting that, on the one hand, they made a statement that it is impossible to restore ties, let's say, in one meeting. and they are not working in this direction, and at the same time, in the house of commons of the british parliament, they call taiwan independent and a state that, of course, infuriates china. well, actually relations between the two countries are not simple, because the golden era, during the time of prime minister cameron, turned into an era that was constantly falling downwards, and to a large extent this is connected with the events of the 19th year, when china absolutely suppressed the autonomy of hong kong despite the fact that there was an agreement between the two countries that hong kong with its