[000:00:00;00] can you do it sometimes yes, so that you don't have additional aggression that is already there and that pain and that pain that people feel and that strong pain that we see there in the photo and video it's really not easy and it doesn't always work like that we think to ourselves that it’s luck and so on, but maybe such a situation is possible and serhiy is really because he also allowed us to do it because it’s like we can’t just enter such a space without permission, well , it’s impossible, that’s also two people yevhen takes

a photo i take a video we are both present there are two cameras in the room, not even one or two, but is it a letter or doctors , plus other patients, other two friends, and whose son was killed, they were also there, just there , they were thrown out for a second, and the door opened and sergey saw and he ran in and put it and he realized that everything was there. although he brought it by car, we simply saw as a witness how i heard the signal of the car, how it approached, how the trunk opened and the bodies of ilya artem were taken out from there, and then another day they brought three

guys who it was cluster munitions ah which exploded on the football field. when they were playing. well, i understand that this was one of the most difficult moments when they were filming . were you there ? it was not just there. minutes, a lot of things didn't go in. and what didn't go in wasn't because it didn't hit there, because you looked at it and realized that it couldn't be shown for some reason. several others told departments of doctors and hospitals, there was a work with the red cross, which we really wanted to show, but simply because of the plot, it just didn't work, well, it just didn't work out. of course, if it's a film, it should have a

story arc in it, and something, i just can't enter because it doesn't work there were moments when, well, we filmed, for example, the bodies of children who could not be saved by the doctors, but at this very moment, the audience had already seen so much that, well, it simply cannot be shown anymore because it would be distracting and would distract from the story that's why it's big work, and in fact, a good editor helps me here. i was helped by the pvs frontline editor michelle, the master, we edited everything together with her. and here is her perspective, she also helps to find the right moment. you had

one episode in the film. what kind of people do we have in such narrow journalistic circles ? discussed the episode when you show the mass graves when all these bodies are put together and you ask the man who does it what do you feel about us this question is very controversial among journalists because some of them like this question very much because usually it is very possible to get an emotional answer to it and maybe people feel some kind of involvement that they are interested in their feelings yes and other colleagues of ours believe that this is one of the most incorrect questions that you should never ask such a question in your life and full stop you think that this is a good question you can to explain why it is appropriate and correct, first of all, you see that the film is not detached, so it is without uh ah let's say so

without without judgments without uh some such emotional uh uh uh i don't try to convey my emotions to the viewer but uh, it's still emotional film, and it seems to me that it is right to be interested in people's feelings, because we are journalists and documentarians. and we run somewhere, shoot something, and when we are not interested in anything more than just what happened , it is unpleasant for people. i am the ones who do not want to answer. in general, they and they don't answer, but i don't remember that anyone in my entire career of conflict journalism did not

answer this question. and from judea, whether it was iraq, syria, ukraine, nagorno-karabakh, to people everywhere, especially to those who are worried i am stressed i can't say it's nice, but it's necessary to share. if they've already started talking on camera, then they need to share . the worst thing in such a situation is to know that everyone doesn't care. i've been in such situations. so when are you under terrible stress or are you almost dead, and when someone is interested in how you feel, it supports you. you know that people don't care, and i just want to show people that i don't care. by the way, you're probably in the minority, but your position is well-reasoned. i think that i'm now

putting myself in the place of a person who has something such he probably worries about me because i am a colleague. for example, my colleagues are the editor -in-chief of babel or yevhen spirin, he dealt with bodies in buch, he got a job in the morgue, and there he was asked this question and he wrote a whole post saying that, well, this question cannot be asked, but you see, this is such a debatable thing, you know, i also liked your film , how you say it incorrectly, you fight against russian propaganda and i feel that you did not have such a goal from the very beginning and you rather do what is journalism, show the truth a very similar story in iron butterflies in another movie there about mh17 i don’t know if you have watched it there is a similar technique when they show russian news and then they show other frames where it is clear that these russian news are lying

and you have the same in when you show russian news well, it’s probably hard to call them journalists, propagandists who claim that everything in the maternity hospital was staged and we see all these shots and understand this whole scheme according to which russian propaganda works . can you explain exactly the tools of this showing disinformation, lies, propaganda, so that it looks not like counter-propaganda, not like some kind of answer, not like a dialogue with propagandists, namely like journalism, well , you just now said this is not a dialogue. we should not respond or try to fight propaganda. we will just do our own thing. work and film this is just

a tool for such and such work because when you give people from see how propaganda works, it ah gives many versions and people lose perspective in these versions and we live in an era of cities information, misinformation, misinterpretation, let's say a false interpretation, but if you give people enough text, how is it possible to do it in a film, then it will be easier for them to take action against it, it is wrong interpretation of the events they see, but yevhen pushed the same with the photos he took, it's the same

well, how would we? it just spilled out, first on me, then on all of us, because the photos were the first to be published. yes , the photos were the first photo that was published here, and it was on almost all the front pages. and on those newspapers that are still in print, and yes, there are not so many of them left now, but when they all appeared at once from one photo on the front cover, a-a, we understood who and who this is a photo of irina kalinin, a woman, a pregnant woman on a stretcher she died later, who later died, and this one, as it were, this wave was directed against that, yes, uh, fake news, there from

the discrediting of the photographer, yes, how did he do it, and they called me different names there, yes, information terrorist from mrs. zakharova , and so on yes, everyone remembered me there, a everyone is famous, but if the main thing is not to give up and so on . and just keep doing it. yes, i don't know how difficult it would be to prove something and to whom to prove it. yes , how would we do our work. and then in our country we checked us and so on and so on and showed what we still have to prevent this from happening, but i think we did enough for the world to understand

what is happening , yes. and this is what our work showed. our work was subjected to a very high quality check yes, there , er, finally, i want to ask about different festivals, different events, because you, i don't know, you probably don't count the number of these events abroad. where do you take your film , there must be q-day, communication with the audience , communication with the press, i'm even more interested in communication with the audience, ah, a lot of stories from your colleagues who went somewhere there and encountered some wild ideas about our country from different people and felt this vacuum of information about ukraine, of course, tell me if it is possible for you . there was a question from the audience that was very

have you often met or some kind of retort and how can you feel that exactly your film was able to change the perception of ukraine by these viewers who before watching the film thought one thing and after watching this vacuum was filled in them, i will say about the film evgeny travels with photo exhibitions, this is also so important the important part is most often and this is good the most often asked question is how to help it is so simple but how to help tell us well we want to help now but how do i think that uh is actually part of our work not our work, but our work is in ukrainian society, it should be about helping the international community understand how to help. it's simple, but it's secondly important . it seems to me that finally people who watched

the film understood the scale, because the scale of suffering, the scale of destruction and the intensity of the war is difficult. broadcast on the news , when you watch the news for one, two, three minutes even every day, then you live your normal life and that's normal. you don't understand how difficult everything is, you don't understand how much everything is happening at the same time and how much this issue of simple survival is acute for ukrainians. it seems to me that the film just helps people understand that every minute, every minute, someone in ukraine dies , civilian soldiers, every minute russian troops attack ukraine and kill themselves , they kill our people, and this is this understanding comes just when people watch more

than just a minute of news, and there were some pro-russian viewers or people with, let's say , sentimental sympathies for the russians who there were some comments not often, but there are also comments. this is also interesting to watch because i don’t even have to answer them, uh, arguments start in the audience, uh, but there are comments, they mostly go uh, according to the russian negative, which says something like it's all very difficult, ukrainians usually die, but it's all their fault, because if it wasn't too much, if it weren't for their aggressive behavior of the ukrainians, then russia shouldn't do this, that

is, there is such an excuse. they see that the russians with in mariupol, they can't say that this didn't happen, that's why they say that it's your own fault, but such a comment should have been made. usually i hear, but there are not many of them. it's how they are perceived by the audience, as a rule , arguments begin, answers begin, uh, again, i, as an international journalist, do not i can get bored there and say, how can you say that? i was there. no , i always answer calmly. i always answer in a reasoned way , but as a rule, people who have already formed their point of view do not change it. exhibitions, tell me. and what are you there? well, it's really difficult, because the photograph is mostly alone and it 's

silent. yes, but it's worth a thousand words . well, in principle, the whole series is from mariupol, that's why the people of mariupol watched all the photos, and i'm not talking about the world, because it's hard to imagine how many people in the world watched what happened to mariupol, but they watched it, and it's really uh, everyone watched it, that's right. how to be those photos that are still in front of people's eyes and we know this and people in russia looked at it. they looked the same so that everyone wouldn't say. they looked at these photos and these photos . up to 6 to each.

in ukraine, they are partly. i think maybe not all of them, but they definitely looked, and this is a really important fact that people, one way or another, saw it. it’s even what was inside. and what practical effect do you have? what do you think, did they see and feel something, and what was the result of this? may be sometimes i thought that photography is not such a powerful tool as video. yes, and maybe it evokes less emotions there, because i was also involved in video and did a lot of it, but then i realized that when you show e-e in the mode of such a crisis , as in ukraine, because everyone is watching this and these moments from the war, they will be engraved for a very long time, for a century. yes, it's like for

some period, and until then people will remember and about these events. we will take it there . yes, there are historical questions, so far it is not possible but when, when, in russian society, there will be a need for arguments to stop this war, this will be one of the arguments , these materials, this film, these photos taken by yevgeny, these photos, which are filming videos, which are being filmed by all journalists now on the front line and in ukraine, this will all be an argument early is it too late for russian society , when will it be ready for this doubt, it has the tools to base this doubt on something, i hope that it will be so

, yes, but i think that it is possible, if they they can conjure up any example, yes, it doesn’t matter and promote its date. on television and so on, we have seen many such scenarios. yes, when it can be done, but for now, all the photos are used in other countries to incite people. on the contrary, we want people to see. specific photos, yes, not to promote the war , but to prevent it from happening, but sometimes it turns out the other way around, because they spread the word and interpret it in their own words , so that they set fire to it more and throw firewood into

it, the rich, and i have one last question for you in there are people from mariupol in the film who are a little bit pro-russian or don’t really know where they are flying from, so there aren’t many of them, i was hoping to see more, but they are few , but they are still there, and we are having a discussion about whether it is possible to show such people, especially abroad, that’s sku-cultural diplomacy but i would like to ask if there were people among the foreigners who noticed such characters and how they reacted to them because we already react with knowledge of some contexts there, people don’t know what if there were any interesting reactions to this and this reaction is usually and why are they like that they say they don't understand what's going on. this is the first reaction

. there were no pro-russians in mariupol, they weren't the majority, but they were, and no one can say that we, well, i, as a director, didn't give them a voice, that's the first thing, secondly, that's mariupol, it's such a phenomenon, it was not just under siege, but he was under an informational siege and this is for the future, uh, we call it some kind of stage . that is, this is an example of how the information blockade affects the psychology of people and people who are in an innovative , informational siege, they panic, they believe what they hear, they do not know what is true and what is false, and showing such people

uh, we also illustrate the uh, the effect of the information siege of mariupol , thank you very much , i am oleksandr sklyar, born and raised in kharkiv, in a city that suffers daily from russian weapons, i know that poltava has become a home for tens of thousands of displaced persons for me, it is my second hometown, where the best years of my career were spent. thank you to the armed forces of ukraine for the opportunity to play football on fervex. 20% in podorozhnyk pharmacies and savings. there are discounts on hepargin 10% in

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for the scenarios of the so-called long war , we understand that this scenario is not easy. it involves a number of measures, but in any in any case, what putin did by removing prigozhin indicates that he is entering some kind of a path for himself. perhaps the finish line, that is , the fascism or crystallization of the reich, is happening right before our eyes. it means that the special military operation did not take place . the special military operation is the brilliance that special ordinary people perform, and the very term operation is irritated by scalpels. marionette ah and here they are, the hands are not clean, it turned out to be a heavy bloody war that has not happened since

the 45th year in europe, half a million people , the loss of several million refugees from the pine tree , the resulting consequences, that is, the war has come in a new quality, let's say it directly and we will not count on this, of course, although he is about making a youth appearance and well, explain that he put everything well, of course, according to the plan, you thought so, nevertheless, yes, putin, eh, um, the majority in russia, the second one, did not see it, it is obvious that he thought that let he protects us andrews of ukraine, the country, and so on. well, the main thing here is that everything is won inside out. in general, the foundation is one of the features of the putin regime . it works. and uh, the germans also covered their front limbs and ears

, especially in the 40th year, when it was completely fast, uh, just like that, in the genre of bridkrieg or special operations, the victory over france, then hitler was absolutely supported, i need more words, a few leps the war was defeated and then several years of brainwashing the german people in order for him to see, obviously, he answered because he didn't want to see auschwitz, opushnwald, and everything was done, anything he wanted, well , they didn't tell him about it, and he didn't want to know about it , a similar situation with by the russian people , he doesn't want to know what's going on in ukraine , he doesn't want to believe that they killed peaceful people in buche, russian soldiers, nobody