[000:00:00;00] oh, and the country of the european union, they also work with third countries , of course, there are also problems there, there are problems related to the fact that the waiting time at the border remains quite significant, although we have seen, in recent weeks, such positive let's say the trend of speeding up the movement of grain trucks across the borders, we also see further work. well, at all levels, in fact, at the level of business and at the level of governments, in order to still somehow come to an agreement, and if we have it directly with poland, hungary or slovakia, that's for sure to acquire on contact with the european commission with brussels and regarding the cancellation of all temporary so-called restrictions on the import of up to 5 ukrainian grains from eastern european countries to poland

. what we see so far is quite like this, i would call the stubborn position of our neighboring countries, but nevertheless, nevertheless, exports continue, and we see that our agricultural products, our grains are moving by road and rail transport and in this direction, er. therefore, we will say everything. so far, everything is working , well, well, now we will talk about it in more detail, mr. serhiy out , about those routes that are currently used by ukrainians in particular to export grain . yes, we are talking, if not about the sea, then uh, there are railways or highways, but to what extent do these alternative ways now, after russia's withdrawal from the grain agreement, do they really provide , to what extent do they provide for the export of ukrainian grain and how realistically from a-a hmm, well, this is a problem for eh, hmm, for an ordinary ukrainian farmer, let’s say that the created logistical problems with

the black sea in the last marketing year , about 15-16 million tons of grain and oil crops were transported through the western border by railway to date, our borders, our percentages, if you can look there from the total. about 25% of what we exported, we exported 58 million. therefore, this is approximately the fourth part. what is the most difficult difficulty, the first is our close neighbors poland and romania, they are capable of increasing throughput in their capacity, they are not ready for our grain and are unlikely to be ready in the near future, and the second is work at the very border, it is inspections, it is phytosanitary control. it delays the passage time of cars and wagons, and this actually creates this problem that we only have 15-16 million, of course we can increase it. if we

develop border crossings, let's say . if we transfer phytosanitary control, veterinary control, other controls to the side of the european union, for example this will of course speed up traffic. of course, it can be significantly accelerated by expanding the map of ports, that is, if we involve not only polish, romanian, and croatian, italian, german, and dutch ports, and these are projects that allow us to go there if there is anything by road or rail. today , we proposed to the european commission to compensate european carriers for the transit of ukrainian grain from the border of ukraine to the port, which is not yet involved, let's say, in the work in the export of our grain, this is comparatively small money if we talk about the subsidies that the european commission allocates to polish farmers today, but this can significantly improve

the situation with our exports, it will significantly improve the situation with the ports of those countries that have not yet been involved. well, for example, croatia or another country. regions, well, that is, it is such a strategy for everyone , it is good, and not super large funds , on the other hand, we have the danube, which we are developing significantly, and in the last year and a half after the great invasion, we we increased the bandwidth. well, let's say from 100-20,000 per month. we increased it to 3 million per month, but today we have one big problem, i hope it's temporary. it's an order of the odesa military administration, which actually blocked exports on the danube today , and we've already had 18 on august, in fact, we do not see new ships that will be loaded, which are loaded with me, contrary to the city

of customs and tax, the military administration decided to, again, violating the law, decided to fight with the gray the market, but instead she overcame the white market, demanding those documents that physically traders-exporters or agrarians cannot provide in time, mrs. olga . what do you have to add? regional self-activity in relation to this order. i really hope that this issue will be resolved quickly enough because it is absolutely correct. in some way, now it is limited artificially with such solutions that are not completely clear. and this, well, this is extraordinary, you can say that it is really such, i don’t know whether it is knowingly

unintentional, but it definitely works against the economic interests of ukraine, the general economic interests and the development of infrastructure here absolutely i support a-and i don't mean the infrastructure we have in common with the european union. i even emphasize always in the dialogue with my european colleagues, officially and unofficially, and the fact that a-and we have to look at it from the point of view from the point of view of ukraine's future membership in the european union, what exactly will we need as a single economic union in which ukraine will be a part, and in accordance with this , to develop this port, including infrastructure, that's why it's really about such a partnership and what concerns, for example, the issue of transition, or rather, customs clearance and the border. and we also see the first positive signs of simplification of these procedures. i believe that we really need to move to joint

inspections as soon as possible, so that our customs officials worked together with polish colleagues on phytosanitary, veterinary inspections and so on in order not to do any double procedures there, not to complicate it and not make these processes longer, because as we can see, again, in all directions, this work continues and eh in fact, here is this temporary so-called black sea corridor, which was announced by our, and in fact , the armed forces of ukraine, and it really is. i hope that, as serhiy said, that if we see what these security risks are more or less predictable, although in the case of russia, of course, it is very difficult to talk about it, plus, if in september it will work at least partially , this is the mechanism that the ukrainian government has worked on and insurance companies

, and to the possibility of compensation for such certain ones , we understand that this is also russia. we see that our armed forces really, as i always said, are the best agrarian e-e managers or expert managers in ukraine and accordingly, they are also doing their job well, while weakening russia’s ability to behave like a pirate in the black sea, trying in principle to prevent not only ukraine in fact, but also turkey from working calmly in commercial shipping, mr. sergey, let’s just talk about it and continue. according to the protocol, the infrastructure is hit by floodgates and destroys the grain that is supposed to feed the countries of africa and even

be sent to china and so on. please tell me how big our losses are now and how predictable can these losses be in the future, how can we protect our infrastructure and our grain, the losses are relatively significant, but if we talk about the capacities of the terminals in general, it is much less than 10% of all our capacities, i will not name the exact numbers, there will be no, let our bad neighbors not be angry but it definitely won't create a critical situation for us in the ports, it only complicates the issue , but it definitely won't kill our industry, on the other hand, how can we save the situation? well, i'm sure that out of a dozen and f-16 can absolutely ensure the safety of our black sea coast, and of course it is worth noting here that

there was really an expert today. congratulations, mr. mykhailo. good morning. we were just talking about the fact that russia is currently destroying the grain port infrastructure, directly to the loaders in the ports of ukraine. the same grain that was supposed to go, in particular, to countries that russia considers well, if not its friends, then at least well, first of all, let's say yes, it's possible , neutral partners can be said as you like. that's how we remember this forum the directly african one that took place in russia, where russia offered to provide a small part of the grain to african countries, to which she received a response that they needed constant guarantees , i don’t need supplies in general, how much are these shellings and problems with grain corridors , in particular, the black sea? well, let's say it creates certain problems between the interactions of russia and the countries there, as it is now fashionable to say there is a global rooster or specific countries that should receive

ukrainian grain. the vector there is such that since the african elite understood the duration of the war and the ambiguity of the situation for themselves, that is, the war from their point of view does not end quickly, wars continue and they clearly will not accept russia as such. moreover, it does not give any bonuses, so they really have certain apprehensions and it is hardly possible to call it successful . another issue is that some new circumstances have now joined in africa, in particular the situation in nigeria, as well as the deterioration of the security situation in mali, the situation in sudan and more in several countries where forces are essentially coming to power and are putting such demands on the event that they say uh-uh, either you support us even more or you are going to get involved, and here

russia is trying to take advantage of the window of opportunity. all this affects the mood, affects food prices, that is analysts record the rise in prices in connection with these here, well, the biggest pressure will be now. well, as a reprimand for his visits to russia, that is, for which it seems that something should happen, although it is also possible that it will be postponed . well, in fact, erdogan is acting like negotiator both from the west and from uh, what is interesting in this case of the global rooster, because turkey has a very strong interest and not only in terms of playing on sanctions and being such a mediator between russia and ukraine, but in this case, turkey is actively working. by the way the african vector is often paired with china, and in fact this is the turkish-chinese approach to africa . it is now even more percentage-based

. that is, it turns out that it is very important for turkey to achieve the continuation of this supply of grain they even proposed a scheme there together with qatar well, but this scheme, when turkey and russia essentially agreed, but ukraine was excluded from that scheme, that the grain that russia supplies there with qatari money, turkey transfers to africa, then turkey made understandable demands that it be ukrainian grain, and including also for reasons of benefit, but russia is already here. as we know from the mouths of their and the replacement minister of foreign affairs, they require not so much promises as guarantees when russia talks about any guarantees the security guarantees that they talked about before the war, before the start of a full-scale war, very often russia itself already puts such, you know, impossible demands for itself, they say well

, we ask for a guarantee, a guarantee, of course, no one will give it a date and this complicates the process even more, delays it and now even in the interests russia should pull it as much as possible in order to show that it is necessary to negotiate with us and so on, here the grain agreement is already living a life of its own . here it is not in vain in this case , kiba declared a few days ago that, in fact, dogan's visit to russia is probably the last hope for this extension of the grain agreement, or not at all an extension and a complete change of formats, or even paying for the internet, they will also get drunk, although it is clear that it was your opinion is still in its own interests, turkey will put pressure on the road because, most likely, russia will press the scenario where will the grain corridor be without ukraine , accordingly, what will be erdoğan's position on this

matter and will he dictate in response its conditions for the russian president well, it is difficult to say what exactly turkey will dictate, they also have several issues there, from energy to security, but turkey has from the beginning declared the need for this ukrainian corridor, necessarily , that is, to myself. that is, not at all , the un. won't agree to that if ukraine isn't there, then it's hard for me to imagine what it will look like in general, well , it's the same from the turkish point of view. it's one thing when they give the go-ahead for ukrainian grain. and for russian grain of cereal origin or stolen from ukraine, and it is another matter when they give the green light exclusively to the russians, that is, everything looks completely incorrect here , er, in global politics, there is a theme of half-truths, it is constantly present, so

turkey will be, but then again, it would rather be here russia is pressuring that you even in the direct text already declares it was added through the minister of foreign affairs of turkey from the west , the requirements with un guarantees were sent there , the corresponding letter was sent. well, they are playing, you know in such a ball from one field to another, well, next week, i think week two , it is really appropriate to say that he is already showing whether there are any prospects. a little later, now let's talk a little about our farmers , sergey, well, we understand that because there is a problem with the export of a certain amount of ukrainian grain, will it be lost, or will we somehow be able to use it for the production of some of the product or well, for example, farmers who planned to export part of their grain to sell it now found themselves in a kind of situation. now these ways are closed. and

what will happen to this remaining grain, because we understand that we do not need so much for our own internal market, and indeed the internal market will not be able to to consume all the volume that we produce a-a but again, let's return to our danube ports and the western border, we er-e will be able to export through these routes all the exports that er-e we need to export , in fact today, the danube a-a puts a shoulder supporting the shoulder of the black sea ports, and it is through the danube that we will be able to export our entire volume that we planned to export from the black sea, that is, in general, even the continuation of the grain agreement with this format , which existed before now, ukraine is no longer critically dependent on it, just if in simple words, try to explain what i was referring to, the agreement will be on the same terms as it was last year, then no one needs such an agreement, this is the first grain agreement, it should be on new terms, where there will be no delay in

istanbul with inspections of vessels, where there will be no risks with e-e attacks of russian missiles on our where the number of ports participating in the grain agreement will be expanded a-a and ideally i think we need to talk about free commercial shipping in the black sea and remind once again that the black sea is not putin's private pond and not russia's private lake, why is it a sea that falls under international law where there should be free navigation thank you, ms. olga , the situation is really very difficult for ukrainian farmers now, because they cannot sell the grain in the required amount, and then they cannot repay the loans, then they cannot continue to sow for the next year, and here the question arises how big is the risk for ukraine's food security, because we

are now talking about the global world in which we help to export grain. and there are risks for ukraine, well, let's say so to our we will remind the audience once again that we produce much more grain than we need for domestic consumption, therefore, from the point of view of olijnyk grain, there are no questions about food security in ukraine and there won't be, er, that's for sure. but if we talk about problems for farmers, of course they are there, they are because of er, well, in fact, at the beginning of this large-scale invasion of russia, and any difficulties with logistics, we perfectly understand that any problems associated with the complication of all export routes, delays, price increases, and, again, there are queues. yes, when grain carriers are idle or the same ships are in the ports, it all costs

a lot of money. these uh all the problems are then transferred to the manufacturer's shoulders in the sense that for the manufacturer the price becomes lower and in fact again we are here sergey i agree that really even with all conditions there i don't know any problems we will be able to export er, the necessary quantity and grain so that, let’s say, there was no additional pressure on the domestic market. at these prices, nevertheless , the prices are, of course, not very attractive for ukrainian producers, and this is the biggest problem, of course, for small producers for medium-sized producers who are far from export routes, who are in the eastern regions, there are the northern regions of the country, but here they are helped , first of all, by the opportunity to store this grain, that is , when there is no pressure that you have

to sell it right from the field, and many of them by the way, that is exactly what he is doing now, that is, even when collecting grain, if they see that it is okay, the price for them now does not even cover the costs of this production, and they do not want to sell it at a loss. are stored a-a through their own capacities or do they use the services of elevators er-e we know that quite a lot of programs are now aimed precisely at this, to help farmers in this sense, but of course we also have to be realistic here and communicate with farmers, for example, in the sumy region or from the poltava region. and i personally and also heard really different positions . some of them say that there will be a reduction in the area under winter crops. under steam, that is, the land will simply rest for one season, and this is again on the scale

of ukraine. this is not critical. but of course, the situation due to the war is also not improving . we understand that the farmers are adapting, they continue to work. continue to survive, to feed ukraine, to feed the world, but the situation for them is not easy, and first of all, of course, you mentioned this, there is access to financial resources there, to cheap money , so all programs and all opportunities are aimed at exactly this, for expansion such access, especially for small, especially for micro-producers, again in those regions that are close to the fronts for the pre-front zone to the border zone with russia, and this is extremely important so that they do not cease to exist and small farmers, small small farmers, we understand this again you know this, as it is surely the backbone of the economy in many regions of ukraine. thank you for the explanation, mr. mykhailo, i

would like to return to the meeting directly . at the same time, it is worth noting that from the beginning this meeting was planned on the territory of turkey, that is, more than once after the conclusion of the grain agreement, after russia withdrew from the grain agreement, erdoğan, after a telephone conversation, i stated that they had agreed that putin would come to visit him, so to speak, to talk in particular about the grain agreement was not confirmed in the kremlin after that , and for a long time we wondered whether he would go to a nato country, so despite the fact that turkey has ratified the rome statute, we still see certain flirtations of erdogan with measures, who knows what could have happened there against the background of the issuance of an arrest warrant by the international criminal court, in the end he did not go, most likely erdogan will come to sochi in the first half of september, however, blumbach announced that putin should go to china in the near future

, where the forum will be held, this will be the first trip of the russian dictator after the issuance of a warrant from the international criminal court . what do you think, why does he respect his partner? i was afraid, despite the fact that the rome statute has not been ratified there, but we are going to china, and there, for the first time, we will leave the territory of russia, but putin just keeps saying that i am not going because i am afraid of certain hoarders there, or there are certain problems , he says that i am needed in my place in the capital, i am needed here, is it possible for china to make an exception , mr. mykhailo well, first of all, it is not a fact that he will go there to china, that is one thing, and the second is simply that turkey could risk its international image, especially erdoğan he is famous with such provocative gestures but if there was any result from putin's trip

, and here we see that their gas hub is slipping and there are many joint economic projects. well , the grain agreement will therefore turn out so that they say putin came and nothing happened. dogan agreed with him at the meeting and left not only that a person with such a reputation has arrived, but the result of all this is zero in this case, it is easier for erdogan to go there to sochi or somewhere else, maybe then erdogan will be able to take her to ukraine in order to keep a certain parity, well, the situation with china is a little different, and putin has fears there for his own safety, although you can easily go there to look like a central asian country . however, we will forget that this is, in principle, not the first episode in history, for example, the same stalin whose sometimes putin copies in general, except for tehran, in fact, he never went anywhere on the banets of the russian troops, but this did not

prevent him from signing post-war agreements of the previous world together with the west. therefore, this is a trend. she understood, cannot but rejoice or there will be fewer putin fans, but it is systemic, especially in our time, unfortunately, it does not lead to any changes, especially his percentages, and well, it will become such a challenge for many about the chinese-russian axis , although again it will depend on that e- eh, visitors from inpino in china did not come to russia, obviously did not bring any results there, after that there was such a thing . well, it’s not even the case that the relationship is cooling down, so it’s not a fact that there will also be a trip there, that is, there may be such a schedule, let it be sold, which

countries generally buy it, how can we influence it and how do they hide, and today there is a large group of ukrainian and international prosecutors and international organizations directly connected to the criminal court, and they record all these moments, uh, block them, we have a number of cases when the country tried to buy this grain and then refused to buy this grain for obvious reasons, of course which countries are capable of this another point is that the russians often disguise our grain by calling it russian. well, let’s say that if the grain arrives, it will be loaded into port novorossian, then they can indicate to themselves that this is russian grain on russian territory.

grain, but in practice it is not common at the last e-e conference in london of the international council of pozerna, it was announced that the leading european countries will join the tracking of stolen grain precisely in a laboratory way to determine whether it is ukrainian grain or not ukrainian grain and this will definitely help us in the fight against grain theft and how do they usually take out ships that go to occupied ports, either the sea of ​​azov or the crimea , they turn off the transponders, it’s something acid, actually yes in fact, without beacons, they enter the port, load, leave, and then turn on this transponder in the open sea , thus disguising the fact that they did not even enter these ports, well, at the international economic forum in st. petersburg, he we remember how there was a separate stand with plucked cherries from melitopol, well

, next year, in principle, it can be done with grain , but how realistic is it for you? on earth, we have specific data, even more, we know which ships, which ship captains exported this grain , who sold it, which have, which documents supporting this grain, we have all this data. - it's probably a secret, it's their business, well, among these countries there is someone who belongs to the list of let's say our strategic partners to the country who help, for example , with weapons . let's say, for example, the series refused to buy ukrainian grain, stolen ukrainian grain, this is actually due to the pressure