[000:00:00;00] future member of nato that's right thank you mr. yes and you have to act without complexes that's how you see yourself and that's how you work with partners thank you mr. valentin it was valentin nalyvaichenko people's deputy of ukraine former chief of the security service of ukraine friends we work directly on the air of the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us on youtube, we are conducting a survey. today we ask you about the following . does the oligarch kolomoisky receive a court sentence? zelenskyi and your option, please write in the comments under this video further and further we are in touch valery chalyi diplomat extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to the united states of america in 2015-2019 mr. valery i congratulate you and i am glad to see you on our broadcast congratulations to you glory to ukraine glory to the heroes let's start our conversation with valery from

the meeting of the sorochy meeting of the presidents of turkey and russia this meeting was the press conference of erdogan and putin very briefly and for our viewers we will remind that he said about the grain corridor, because it was one of the topics of the conversations between erdogan and putin. what did erdogan say and what did putin say? so , turkish president recep tayyip erdogan, we are going to develop a new package of consultations with the un. i believe that we will be able to achieve a result in this plan, turkey will make every effort, and we believe that in the near future we will be able to resolve the issue of this agreement.

he will confirm our principled position, we will be ready to consider the possibility of reviving the grain-grain deal, i once again told the hostess about this today, and i will do it right away . e agroproduct from its side in russia , despite all the hidden suffixes, probably continue to export food and fertilizer, contribute to the stabilization of prices and the improvement of the situation in world agriculture valeriya, this is what the president of turkey and the president of russia were talking about - this is a fake panel with which they cover the cooperation that they are developing nuclear power plants in turkey, russia is building, they are increasing the turnover of 69 billion e-e dollars to 100 billion a year, they want to increase e they cover themselves with the grain agreement and the agreements with the grain agreements or

should i perceive this theater that was in sochi. you and i cannot influence turkey's position to be different on many issues. turkey supports ukraine the question is what is it called to get one's benefit here, they do it cynically pragmatic in conditions when they have threats to economic security and it is true after the presidential election of erdogan, the question of inflation remained on the balance sheet, that is, in principle, he fulfills it i think that we are sure of course can't like that in this way, putin is all around him and at every level is brought out of isolation. that is, it is a bad story, but by such means, in principle, they get opportunities

there, the handle is also to show something like they are not war criminals, here is the difficulty, the second question for president rdagan zernov. the deal, as putin said, because it is not an agreement , of course, it is important in principle from the point of view of the image, it is one of the successful actions of the successful actions of turkish diplomacy, the personal one of the president of the russian federation, so i do not think that it is the screen is one of the issues, of course there are the issues you mentioned , but i have been saying from the very beginning that these negotiations are strange, with the exception of the war period, that is, that they have their own strategic or non-obvious immediately the consequences, these consequences we can now see the blurring of the situation, that is, in short, it is russian blackmail, it is clear that he laid out there putin laid out all the demands once again, and

for some reason, those that were supposedly already canceled there in relation to ammonia caprod, tolyatti, odesa , it seems that the russians are completing the world there but again, it arose in principle against this background of constant attacks on odessa and the donetsk estuary, and it is clear that blackmail is combined with such pressure that they want to attract turkey, a map and other countries in order to put to the culprits of ukraine in these conditions . i think from the position that we are not against the grain agreement. under our conditions, then today he said that it seems that the west was deceiving russia, that there are weapons going to

ukraine along this humanitarian corridor, what exactly is putin’s business anyway, and what corridors through our territorial waters, that we will cross the winter and we can transport anything, whether it's grain or weapons - this is an absolutely sovereign right of the ukrainian state and we have the right to this, no one can take this right away from us. today, erdogan is having a conversation with putin , but in this situation, the world legalizes this blackmail, supports the blackmail that putin leads, and what should be done so that this is not a means of blackmail, and

in general, look at some requests to putin to create the conditions for this grain corridor because he is a blackmailer, he is a terrorist, he is a pirate, and everything is like that, and you spent the time in the plan that i have already said that this is a decision to exclude during the war , they develop the situation, that is, according to geography, in this way violation of war crimes, it is shifting, for example, guti, you believe and everyone around him, now, first of all , the secretary general has to think about how to restore the statute. well, they do not deal with it, understanding that this issue is blocked by russia and china, and they deal with it it is completely different from how to preserve the un function of food security by completely failing the function of ensuring security in the world. that is, they have a cylinder. i told you the goals of turkey, president erdoğan of ukraine

, their goals in russia. caused by only one thing: the war unleashed by russia against ukraine, no one can stop it, and everyone continues to look for solutions during the war, and this really threatened the situation, so our ukrainian position was and will be shown key e-e violation is a violation that concerns the fact of aggression, war crimes, crimes against humanity, and all the things that will follow are derivatives and not key positions , that is, there is no need to place them in a hierarchy, he is not yet ready to recognize russia's crimes in ukraine genocide there is still no sufficient evidence of this, said the head of the un independent international commission for

the investigation of violations in ukraine, eric miose . genocide, do you remember that this is a question of the intent of the criminals, there must be a need to destroy a certain group and, according to the convention, such destruction must be physical or biological, are these the strict conditions confirmed by judicial practice, as we noted earlier, for example, in the russian media there were certain statements that could possibly to be related to the issue of incitement to genocide, this is one line that we follow and we will consider it, but there are no conclusions yet, mr. valery, there are no conclusions regarding the genocide of ukrainians, and how

should i perceive this statement so that we are key words so far and that these investigations will be carried out in principle, the complexity of defining such crimes really exists, you know, historically, even the holodomor should be recognized as genocide in the world. we have come a long way because at one time the soviet union threw it out of the convention this pro-genocide threw out two key provisions, which are possible. but it is really possible to say directly about crimes against humanity, which is the crime of genocide in relation to certain groups, now there is a lot of evidence, archives have been opened that exterminated ukrainians and even in the kuban as well they exterminated ukrainians. that is, it really wasn't, let's say, the extermination of a class. what was the position that the soviet union then excluded wealthy peasants? it was an extermination on a national

basis, and now, after many years, it is recognized by the parliament . this was recognized in washington by congresses. now you see many parliaments continuing this. there are already two dozen countries that have already done it, so here is the un in order to recognize this as an act of genocide. after that, there will be consequences. and the consequences relate to compensation, that is, what russia should pay. i think that this issue is only at the initial stage , and let's say what the head of this mission said, that motivation is needed. well, this is more evidence that will still be collected, they are already in sufficient quantity. i think that it is not definitive well, not

the final verdict, he talked about it. it happened in the ukrainian crisis radio center in our country, we heard it. that is, this is the final verdict of the un. the process and work are ongoing. well , especially since he mentioned incitement in the russian media, he obviously meant one of the authors of the article about the fact that it is necessary to kill ukrainians, what russia should do with ukraine, tymofiy sergeyat, do you remember that at the beginning of april 2022, in this text , which appeared on the website of the state news agency ria novosti , such a detailed panorama of e- mr. serhiytsev said that ukrainians must be killed, and they must be destroyed, and there is no other way. together with the ukrainians , ukraine will disappear, and these are the people who are now standing next to the emblem of timash

serhiytsev. this is exactly the person who is between others worked for ukrainian politicians for a very long time and worked here in ukraine in the early 2000s and the end of the 90s , taking into account these calls, taking into account what was happening in buch, mariupol, izyum, uh, how do you rate it? to what extent is there a prospect that the united nations will look at these war crimes of russia as genocide because, er, the fact that putin's regime is ukraine-hating well, it seems to me that, well , in ukraine, for sure everyone understands, when the world understands, it's not a matter of my understanding on the one hand, there is the question of the purely e-e use of norms international law, and on the other hand, politics has an effect, i gave you an example that for how many years they did not want to recognize the famine

there and the reasons were different, including at one time, even those who came, you already know, american journalists created it there myths about the fact that nothing happened, the soviet people live and flourish, and these are still isolated cases, but then the mays commission and many votes and testimonies showed that it was a completely different story. by the way, i am a grateful israeli that they what they held the position that the holocaust, well, it is the only such genocide, really large-scale, but the ukrainian holodomor was also terrible, and they also admit it, so the time will come when additional evidence will be collected, the main political decision, and it will be related to the weakening of russia in the first place, that is, russia finances the un there are a lot of officials in the apparatus and in various systems, he generally sends russian and pro-russian officials , a huge number, well, this is related to

financing, by the way, so is china a large amount of funding is carried out in the usa as well, but in principle the usa so who is not considered as an effective structure, how do they try to use it, but in such developments of law it is russia and china. therefore, it will take time, i believe that this should be done persistently without removing, by the way, the consideration of the genocide of the holodomor that is, it is also the previous period that should not be forgotten, because this period is a consequence of the fact that russia , the soviet union, and then russia, which, for some reason , want to take legal succession themselves, acquired the conclusions made by all countries at that time, well at least the moral succession has already been taken by stalin's actions on the repressions, putin personally took it all on himself, took it away, that is, they want to look like a nation of murderers of repressions and nazis. well, i, but at the same time they

have influence, that is, influence nuclear weapons and strengthens either corrupt or dependent or simply er as a result of the previous time pro-russian politicians even russian mere officials in the un structures well, for me, this organization is er well, it died from the point of view of effectiveness in the security sphere and in in the field of application of norms, let's say convictions for crimes against humanity. i generally believe that there are no prospects here , tribunals must be created, it must be done on a completely different basis. with the possibility of bail in the amount of uah 509 million , he is accused of fraud and

money laundering at the time when you were the ambassador of ukraine to the united states of america , the case against kolomoisky was just beginning in the united states to the united states of america for money laundering in ukraine, where he invested hundreds of millions of dollars in the real estate market. in early 2020 , it became known that the americans banned kolomoisky and his family members from entering the united states of america. what did the americans say about kolomoisky at the time? about his role in money laundering and about what the americans are currently creating in conversations with you , well, in general, in the system that was created , the embassy was not part of the mechanism for

such cases because the work was established direct work between washington and kyiv on assistance or cooperation in combating corruption and criminal violations, we have agreements in place and indeed there were visits to washington by delegations and deputies and anti-corruption bodies, where various issues were raised, and then these issues sounded quite resonant, i.e. and in those days, moreover, not only kolomoiskyi ’s last name was mentioned in the press, the american one was also mentioned. by the way, i am surprised that until now all these people are under american sanctions, who financed precisely subversive activities against another country i.e. it has already been clarified that this is not ukraine, but russian businessmen who still have influence in ukraine or claim some kind of property, as i read, i understand such and such a businessman who financed there, and who, under sanctions, simply gave him money

and he, uh, now claims some property of ukraine, well, it’s just terrible, that is, i think that this should be put in order, and in principle, the whole names are known to all structures, to all bodies , why in america they are all under sanctions and not just moral condemnation. is under investigation, yes, i don't want anyone to be accused before the court's decision, but there are sanctions for some people. and we have a completely different attitude . well , we have to somehow solve all these issues with partners in relation to this particular case. i don't know the question inside, but i know for sure that if in our country, for example, it is unclear who is involved in high-profile cases in this case, a businessman who has influence on the media, that is, and if we cannot even

understand a citizen, is he ukrainian or not? i am a citizen, now in international relations in my field, this is not a normal situation, there are certain actions that the ministry of foreign affairs must take . in principle, there is a process of extradition and everything else. and why can't we find out even such elementary things? that's what surprises me. this is a question of specific cases, but in the political plane, i will say that little has changed, a lot of such surnames of the spoiled image in the world, they have not disappeared, they are hiding somewhere, someone has escaped to russia, and someone is sitting in ukraine and is still waiting for the political landscape to change in us or in america p valeriu another story of this night when russian

drones fell detonated on the territory of romania in the morning, the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine and the state border service of ukraine informed about this, and the minister of foreign affairs of romania , luminita odobeescu, said that these barrage munitions did not pose any threat to romania, let's hear what they said the minister of defense and all institutions responsible for this sphere in real time monitored the situation that arose as a result of attacks by russian drones carried out last night on the infrastructure of the sea port, drone attacks carried out by the russian federation did not establish any direct military threat to our national territory or the territorial waters of romania, i.e. our officials, including the minister of foreign affairs dmytro poleba , say that there is indisputable evidence that

barrage drones ammunition, they got to the other side of the danube and fell into the territory of a country that is part of the north atlantic alliance, and romania says that they did not pose any military threat to our national territory. romania is afraid to start the process of convening the nato council and discussing the fifth point or in why is it a problem? why are they so careful? they are talking about the fact that it does not constitute a military threat. these are the reasons . first, it is their general strategy to avoid a conflict and leave the war on the territory of ukraine. that it is not that nato is not involved, except for the aid that

is provided for ukraine, and this is the strategy of the american countries - this is the strategy of the nato countries, and actually it is carried out, and the second is directly this specific case, well, the statement about that did not amount to anything a direct threat of a threat, such a statement can be accepted, but one cannot deny the fact that the people of berezhne are flying ammunition to the territory of romania, so you do not deny that , if romania does not exist, is this a discussion? times to do, but it is necessary to convene the ukraine nato council on this matter and consider there , well, let's say, if not all, then those cases when this situation created not only a threat, but we also need to find out how to react together, i

will explain, for example, for me well, it's strange, let's say the romanian ppu system. for some reason, it waits for where it will fly and does not shoot down, saving the charge even on its territory, it's very strange , but there is another point here, and if they shoot down over the border and part of it will fly to us , yes, that is, i think that we are not we will be nobody to blame, but on the legal level , bilateral consultations must be held . we have an agreement, we are ultimately strategic partners, i.e. romania. russian provocations and clashes and the landing of russian missiles on the territory of ukraine, nato and even attacks against aircraft of nato countries, and yes, well, not

everything worked there, but these were already specific simulations of the use of machine guns already there, well, on the pushyk airplanes, to be more precise, that is, these cases well, there were only open media, there were more than 10 open press, so if you really don’t want to, well, with all your might , a collision occurs, then at least somehow coordinate the commenting on all these stories well i'm not talking about the fact that if you are so happy now that the body is somewhere, well, tomorrow your family will fly to you and what will you say then, you will tell that there was no threat now, and then that you, as your citizens, will tell that we have everything under control, that is, this is not the right position. it seems to me that what is needed now may not be public. with statements like that, every time everything is fine, everything is fine. well, that's how you can bring

problems on yourself sooner or later, sorry, their hands are growing from the wrong place, they can do something like that so that later romania will be forced to enter the war therefore, it is necessary to strengthen e in this case, as other countries have now initiated even more air defense systems in this region, if we are already covering this flank , well, then give us as much support as possible to the equipment and one more small news to mr. valery about the fact that zelensky is calling on the verkhovna rada to adopt a package of bills to open negotiations with the european union, we will listen to the president ukraine has seven specified recommendations of the european commission , we have already implemented some of them for the sake of the other part, we need the effective work

of the verkhovna rada of ukraine in time for the work that we agreed with the european commission on the law on the restoration of electronic declaration of changes to the law on national minorities, and the law on peppi's policy, but x-post politically significant persons mr. valery , whom the president wants to convince that these obligations to the european commission must be fulfilled, i don't know, i don't know, drew special attention to him the president 's committee is headed by the president or the people. i know that the committee on european integration is a different faction . but there is full support for this. well, i don't know, that is , you know, in principle, i have a different question you see, i know the essence of each of these issues and each of these issues

has its own nuances , that is, there was no need at all to drag on for a long time, it was simply necessary to conduct a conversation with the european union in such a way that we made the optimal solution in these issues, which are not new for us in principle because there is a big threat that something that sounds super beautiful , i will tell you, for example, peppa , yes, that is, what is going on here in the world, there is not a single case when all officials fall under their control for life all politicians, i tell you i will say more. i don't understand why there is financial monitoring of such people . it is correct there for a year or three years after the position. and our system works in such a way that after that banks do not want to open accounts for families. we are talking about hundreds of thousands of people and for this purely because of this, because of the fact that everyone wants

to somehow verify and not fulfill people's rights, in another part this question arose. we had it, now it arises again, that is, here i remember the sender of the parcel, it should be said as it was introduced in ukraine - in general, this is a complete declaration of stupidity, i.e they started well, as a result, they raked the whole people of ukraine under one comb, practically, but they did not get the result, it was the national minorities. well, i know, too, the situation gave hungary, now it is gathering there with other countries, trying to put pressure on the eu that, in general, negotiations with ukraine are open on national minorities, that's the idea we need to have very careful, so don't do it in pphakhas and call here, it's not necessary here, it's purely a question of the current work of the government and the parliament . thank you, mr. valery.

to the states of america, friends, this was a program serhii rudenko wishes everyone good health take care of yourself and your relatives in the next program we will have ihor lapin and roman tsimbalyuk , wait, thank you ukraine will have a new defense minister, how will he be perceived in the west, we are talking about all this on the bbc news ukraine live from london i am yevgenia shablovska president zelenskyi announced the resignation of oleksiy reznikov and the appointment of rustem as the minister of defense in the mayoral changes the verkhovna rada has yet to meet , but will the reshuffle affect the western supply of weapons so, in his evening address, president zelenskyi said that he decided to replace the minister of defense and explained it by the fact that the ministry

needs new approaches and other formats of interaction both with the military and with society