[000:00:00;00] the system poses serious challenges related to the collection of the evidence base, we have to admit that in the occupied territories we mean access to which it is impossible to obtain before their release, but in any case, the investigative bodies must look for ways they will allow the defenders to prove their guilt. well, you see the legal laws. the authorities of these cities occupied there, in particular. we just spoke with ivan fedor, er, the mayor of melitopol talks about, he talks about coercion, and here the question is how citizens of ukraine in the occupied territories can avoid voting in the so-called elections and whether it is necessary in general to do this at the risk of one's safety and again two such important aspects it must be emphasized that one story is to come and so to speak take part in it so to speak voting and another thing to somehow get involved well if you the director or the head of some kind of enterprise there. state-type and they tell you to organize your

people there, you will vote, but you have 10 people in the team there. take part because there is no other option. this can be considered the same as coercion and is it necessary to risk everything and avoid it, or is it necessary to somehow find an opportunity not to participate in this action? unfortunately, our compatriots are hostages of the situation, a very large part of them, and indeed, such phenomena as forced movement of citizens, forced passporting, as well as the need to ensure minimum conditions for of their existence in the occupied territories, and physical coercion, threats, of course, when we talk about participation in such elections under coercion with a real threat to their lives or

health, then such actions are not included here composition of a criminal offense but of course, there is such a thing as universal advice on what to do to citizens, well, it cannot be given, because everyone comes out of the circumstances in which he found himself. but what we can advise is to definitely try not to participate in these things. the so-called elections, and by all available safe methods, the main way is to avoid gatherings of people in these days of mass premises , the russians can provoke, they can arrange provocations, that is, today their task is to convince our compatriots in the captured territories that they are with russia forever. and we need to do the opposite, release them and let's say protect, restore their violation of rights. pavlo, summarizing, tell us why

it is important, how important international reaction is here , for example, the verkhovna rada appealed to parliamentarians from the governments of foreign countries and international organizations to declare these elections illegal although you say that in principle they are illegal and according to international law, that is why it is important that the international community signals about it, confirms it, and makes certain statements. it does not affect anything, i always say that there are several directions for liberating these territories, including responding to this situation, this direction is international, that is , pressure - this is a military direction, that is, and an internal direction, so that's all

these, let's say, all these means of achieving the goal, they are important and they matter, despite the fact that today the international system of relations between states has cracked and there would be no possible aggression by russia er 20, well, renewal of aggression or large-scale aggression of russia after e-e 24 of february, if there was not a weak reaction, that is, of course, impunity gave rise to aggression and gives rise to all those crimes that are committed in the occupied territories. but what we must remember is that the civilized world does not recognize russia's sovereignty over the occupied ukrainian territories, which does not allow the occupying state conduct on them neither elections nor referendums nor anything like that, they will not have any legitimacy and legal consequences. the results will be worthless

, but what should the civilized world do ? a weak reaction to the creation of those illegal elections and such a state of affairs. he requires certain decisive actions in order to use what is needed, what can the civilized community do, well, it is necessary to increase military aid in ukraine in the amounts that will allow it to liberate the occupied territories , to deter the aggressor by military means, also pavlo councilor romanyuk on legal issues of the civil network opora we talked about the legality of the so-called elections in the occupied territories that are taking place there these days. thank you, sir, for joining russian forces attacked ukraine again at night, the air defense forces shot down all the missiles that i launched in the morning at the russian military, there were eight of them, there is no information about the victims so far, they reported it to the kyiv city military administration of the region, and the rescuers extinguished the fire

on the territory of the commercial enterprise . debris from odesa rockets fell, attack drones of the shahed type attacked this night, there was a hit from the injuries received , an employee of the agricultural enterprise a died in several settlements, the objects of the port and agricultural infrastructure were damaged, so it was reported in the defense villages of the south that the air defense forces shot down 15 strike drones out of 25 launched, but what is happening in the country , what is the situation at the front, we are talking in our streams here on the svoboda radio channel, also the morning broadcast from 9 :00 you can watch on the air of the espresso tv channel, ask your questions to the speakers of these broadcasts during the live broadcast, if possible, we will address them by the speakers, i suggest you and i

watch the history of the year of its existence the unbreakable mothers center in lviv has sheltered more than a hundred pregnant women or mothers and babies who were forced to escape from the war, here families receive the most necessary food, support for babies, and now 12 mothers and children live in the institution, women say that despite everything, they continue to remember their native homes however, they do not know whether they will be able to return there, i suggest you look at the details of the project about immigrants , you are like radio svoboda and my children are all suffering for their native home in the center большой такой такой an old one with such suspended ceilings, it’s not your own room, there are toys, all of them, of course, they talked for a long time, we want a house, to the point that i want to go to my bathroom, i want that one, i don’t want that one . that's how it happened to me, the finns, and

their own children, they are annoying because everything appeared. at first, the kondak family lived in the library of one of the universities. tatiana was pregnant with her third child, then the family was placed in the center. the indomitable mothers offered we are here, we went, once the house was opened, we liked it, and we moved here, in general, the center called me mothers can accommodate up to 120 people, now 12 families live here, according to the rules of the institution , only profitable women or mothers with children under the age of one year, we saw a large number of pregnant women who came to lviv, as well as a large number of women who came there with infants to the city of lviv, so we realized that there should be a place for a kind of

interest-based club where there would be only mothers with with small children, if i have already decided to give birth to a child during the war, then i have to take it. that is to do everything to the end . yes, it is a little difficult. the child grows a little, something changes. you have to catch up in time and often find control. well, so far, i am coping . margarita is 20 years old, she is from molochansk that in zaporizhzhia in the last year and a half , a girl was forced to move twice, the last time with a baby in her arms when the russians had just descended on the city. we left for zaporizhia at that time, i was already pregnant, that is, the entire pregnancy i was in zaporizhzhia until the mass shelling of zaporizhzhia itself began. immediately after giving birth, we decided that we would go to the store and name him pavlo

. he is currently 9 months old. he is such a little active child. he is interested in everything. he can also tell you something, see the story. on the channels of radio svoboda and on youtube, next i will talk about changes in the ministry of defense of ukraine, the parliamentary committees on national security, defense and intelligence supported the appointment of rustam mirov to the post of minister of defense of the country about this members the committee was informed in their social networks that you died before this, you were dismissed from the position of the head of the state property fund, also at the meeting the verkhovna rada supported the resolution on the dismissal of oleksiy reznikov from the post of minister of defense of ukraine, 327 people 's elected officials cast their votes, staff rotations take place after a number of journalistic investigations into possible abuses and corruption schemes during the purchase of goods for the armed forces of ukraine against this background, zelenskyi announced his intention to replace the minister of defense of ukraine according

to the president, quoting the ministry needs new approaches and other formats of interaction both with the military and with society as a whole, and it was zelensky who said that now the ministry of defense should be headed by rustem umirov , let's add that the day before the cabinet of ministers also agreed to the dismissal of the head of donetsk ova pavlo kyrilenko, as previously stated by the head of the servant of the people faction david arkhamiya kyrilenko will become the new head of the antimonopoly committee well, one of the last decisions made by the ex-minister of defense oleksiy reznikov was the appointment of arsen jumadilov as the head of the defense procurement agency, which deals with rear support arsen dzhumadilov crimean tatar until now the first and only manager of the state enterprise medical procurement of ukraine selected at the competition in 2022 joined the armed forces of ukraine where , in particular, he was engaged in procurement in the military medical service. on his facebook page, dzhumadilov noted that so far

the agency that he the leader exists only on paper , instead, it should be made a key operator of the rear support of the armed forces, currently says that madilov faces many challenges, basic and strategic rethinking the function of bulk supply for the needs of the armed forces of the armed forces of ukraine from quote purchased transferred to closed the needs of our military and it is not only about tentors without corruption but also about clear forecasting and planning control of goods their distribution of the military well, for now , arsen zhumedilov joins our broadcast, in which we will ask questions in particular, about how he sees the work of the department. arsen dzhomodilov is now in touch with us, the head of the procurement agency in the field of defense to vitaliversenam. good morning. you headed the agency for resource provision of the army at the ministry of defense of ukraine and you know that it currently exists only on paper, although the plan was to start in june of this year, what needs

to be done to make the agency work and when the first purchases are planned, the main issue is the regulatory support for the activities of this agency, to put it more simply, according to the ministers of ukraine, it should to adopt a resolution that will determine that the agency is the responsible executor of the ministry of defense program in the direction of that provision without this resolution, the agency is simply a state enterprise that exists on on paper, but at the same time, this draft resolution is not filled with anything. it is being worked out quite quickly and constructively by the central body of the executive power. we must give credit to the ministry of economy and the ministry of finance. the ministry of justice is now agreeing on that. let's say why it took longer than planned. structural subdivisions within the ministry of defense, where the basic project was worked out quite slowly , reached other ministries slowly enough

that in the end they may adopt this resolution in the summer and we are already in the fall in essence that is, whether specifically or not, because one of the accusations already against the ex-minister of defense, mr. reznikov, precisely in the context of possible procurement corruption, is that the beginning of the agency's work was slowed down. some other important bureaucratic points . and i also note that you have already commented on what minister reznikova said about you when in the context of your appointment to the position that you are not flexible . but yes, that is, there are such issues of interaction with the ministry, or is it someone in the ministry so to speak, provoked, slowed down, and whether the ex-minister himself was involved in this, i can’t say whether there was actually any

criminal intent to slow down the launch of this agency in order to hold all tenders this year for the full amount and exhaust the corresponding budgets a this actually happened, that is, in june, july, and august of this year, the ministry of defense of ukraine conducted purchases for all budgetary purposes that were provided for in the state budget in the state budget of this year, to put it simply. all the money that was directed to this program for the provision of the army was used for them, and the suppliers were contracted accordingly, if the agency had signed up earlier, that is, at least sadly 20-25 billion of the total 90 billion expected under this program per year would probably have already been negotiated by the agency, and i have a reasonable that they would have been traded differently at other amounts

, indicators, etc. was it a deliberate delay in order to enable a timely record in order to trade these tenders according to the old one? is it just administrative paralysis that was inherent in the ministry and i, uh, i can't say about it, i can't judge. i'm sure, after all , the law enforcement agencies will deal with this further . what am i to the point that various ministers said different things about me, well, i was on the phone with him if he, er, go and ask me something. he asked, but you can’t say that this communication was free and effective. and tell me who and when you were offered this position. was it oleksiy reznikov himself or someone else? it was an initiative of civil society. if you can you say to the volunteer community that when we all started together in february to talk about the fact that, well, there are no people in the country at all, well, there are no professionals

who are able to honestly carry out procurement and take responsibility. so you see what the situation is. well, there is no one the country has 40 million people and there are no people, and that is why i am forced to work with the people with whom i worked, this rhetoric was against him, including public , the volunteer community reacted to it by saying that somehow he offered me, they said no listens, why didn't we advise the minister of peers about your candidacy, what did i say? well, let him see, and after that we met, i proposed this vision, which i am talking about, that before the creation of separate professional armed agencies, which should take over the implementation of the policy of the ministry of defense, for their part , they should focus on what the ministry should do, namely, form policies , monitor their implementation, and not implement

independently by the previous minister, this was supported and, accordingly, we started working on growing the agency sometime in march for months, we have been having a conversation with him about what he said that yes, i would like to see you in this position, respectively, since march, we have been preparing the launch of this construction agency. here is the road map and the plan of measures for its implementation, because we indicated june, july of this year as the timeline for the launch, in fact, we are in september and have not yet launched arsena, but during this time , this period of preparation for your appointment, but your name has already been heard in certain circles , so to speak. have you encountered pressure from people who may not be interested in other approaches in the ministry and

are not interested in transparent procurement ? it is known that there is no point in putting pressure on me. it will be more expensive for the person who tried to try to pressure me. another strategy is more effective . as it turned out, that is, it’s just that. obstruction of additional meetings on questions that you have already been to dozens of times. this strategy is more active. it is difficult to oppose it because when there is no political will, it all goes quite slowly . now, i hope that with the appointment of a new minister, of course, political will will appear because the main the public request to the ministry of defense is precisely the reform

of procurement. if we talk about the appointment of a new minister, we are growing silent. do you have something to add? is this a coincidence or not because in fact, formally, you were appointed to your position earlier than he will be appointed to the head of the ministry of defense what connects you with artem jarovy and again is it a coincidence or not that you will work together in the ministry of defense this is it's really a coincidence. i understand that minister reznikov is actually our appointment. he probably already knew at that stage that he would soon not be a minister, and his move was not aimed at saving himself in this position, but rather at to provide for oneself a good rehearsal inheritance for the appointment already to the next positions for which, as i understand it, he now has certain types. if

you can say so, eh, and i did not know that such a rather quick replacement of the minister was being prepared , and when the order on my appointment had already been signed minister reznikov held a press conference, where he announced it, then after a while i became aware that his replacement was being prepared, that a candidacy was being prepared to replace the minister of various eh, i know, mr. rostem i have known him well for quite some time i know what kind of working style he has, he is peculiar. it is inherent in him and he is such that i hope that our cooperation within the framework of the launch of this agency as a whole from the closed reform will be effective. mr.

reznikov resigned from his post because a number of corruption scandals in the media, he appointed you to this position. as you already noted during the temporary term, do you understand what his responsibility and role in those scandalous purchases are eggs for uah 17 - these are jackets and these are purchases from probably people not related to people's deputies and actually well, journalists and investigators say that all these purchases are questionable, that they look dubious . do you expect such criticism to be directed at you as well? and do i anticipate such criticism that i will buy eggs for 17 hryvnias? well, that's true. i think not, because i i don't plan to buy eggs for uah 17. well, in principle, we plan to build completely different procurement strategies that, in principle, make such phenomena impossible . i once analyzed what the ministry of defense ordered even before i was offered to inquire about some facades. i analyzed how they are procured. i looked at that

information, well, i looked at that information that was publicly available. i then said that at least this ministry is making a very unprofessional inquiry. that is, these are crude contracts that allow a very large distribution for the customer and for the supplier , what is not written in the contract and, accordingly, all this remains at the discretion of the executors of this contract at the discretion of the executors, to put it more simply, that is, people can continue already within of the current contract to agree on many aspects of its implementation, and this is evidence of a low-quality raw contract , so in principle, we do not plan to submit contracts that are raw, that have not been worked out in order to algorithmically make impossible those phenomena that were inherent in the ministry

of defense until recently, we definitely did not plan to procure that minister reznikov should bear responsibility. i understand that he has already borne political responsibility . yesterday he was dismissed from his post. i am not sure that he bore it as i would have to bear it because, well, somehow the reaction of the people's deputies to her dismissal was somehow too solemn for a person who, in my opinion , did not manage in a managerial sense, so should he bear other responsibility, i mean criminal responsibility within the framework of the criminal process according to the criminal code , i don't know, law enforcement agencies have to establish how

the agency you headed will work. to check the companies from which ukraine will purchase these certain necessary goods for business support, whether these companies are related to the owners of any people 's deputies there. again, what are the main tasks of the procurement agency at the ministry of defense, come on. our main task is to ensure that military personnel e- they did not need anything from what the state should provide them with so that everything that they needed was delivered in a timely manner and was available to them, this is our main task, this is the main task, it is it is divided into dozens of sub-tasks that relate not only to procurement but also to supply management, balances, ensuring the automation of the digitalization of the process in

the process, etc. contracts, it includes a meticulous analysis of e-e for the presence of potential selected conflicts of interest among suppliers with by our employees and by truth providers or other politically significant persons in order to prevent, within the limits of the current legislation, a phenomenon that could cast a shadow on how to work for the agency, these are quite simple things, as you just need to know exactly how this set of processes is built and if it is built, then then those companies that are not honest, they are simply not allowed to participate in the auctions automatically arsena do you choose your team or is it up to you who will work with you, well, can it be

such a situation that you have someone there conditionally in your people well, as they say, they can bring to the agency all decisions regarding the team that will work in the agency are finally approved by me, not by me alone, that is, before that there is a check from the hr side, there is a check by the sound-complex i am checked by the immediate supervisor for testing , etc., but the final decision on the appointment of people depends on me, respectively. to do the treasury, that is, i definitely do not work like that, if we are talking about the creation of an institution and not stories about e-e personal service or some interests, then according to the institution, they definitely should not work on the order of some

private individuals. they should set the rules and follow them, did you explain why the complexity of the procedure that the agency has already worked there de facto not only de jure a-a documents when in your opinion under the conditions that exist today and in particular under the attention that is attached to the agency today before the ministry, the agency will actually start working. how long will it take, when are the first contracts expected? i hope that now we will quickly pass this stage of political uncertainty, that is, literally today, as i understand it, there will be a vote in the verkhovna rada of the minister of law, which will be formed quite quickly. here is this line of deputies ministers, i.e. those people who will directly start the work of these or other documents, and we understand that this pause is there. it can still theoretically last up to a week

, respectively, if it really develops quickly if we understand that there is a team from which we work, then the adoption of this resolution , in accordance with the phrase of the ministry of defense , about bringing to us the relevant programs and bringing to us funding. i think that it is possible in october, closer to the end of october with this, so that we can purchase already in november, in november we will be able to purchase if additional funding for this year is proven. well, because as of today, as i said, the funding that was intended for the ministry of defense under these programs was already exhausted, there is a small probability that there will be additional funding. i thank you for participating and spending a lot of time with our viewers to explain how the agency will work. arsen shumadilov, the head of procurement agents in the field of defense, told about his work svoboda

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