[000:00:00;00] worked, in fact more amendments are needed and it has been determined, for example, what is a legal entity under public law, because in our country now each legal entity decides for itself whether it is public or private, that is why the committee rejected this amendment, because in order for this regulation to work, much more legislation is needed . unfortunately, it has been submitted there was none. thank you. we need more amendments. we understand

. 246 refueling is taken into account. thank you, vote, vote, all votes, then let's move on to the homeland, who will we start with? serhii volodymyrovych, can you please? 7 minutes. vlasenko's speech , please move on to 7 minutes. thank you, dear mr. chairman , dear colleagues. professionally, about this draft law, in fact, the problem is that i will say a little, you know , maybe pathetic, but you know, i have been declaring since 2002, since 2002, i have been filling out the declarations that were written then my colleagues from the faction the motherland does the same thing, we voted for this law

in the 14th year, we have no problems with it and we passed inspections , passed inspections normally. they put you in prison for real mistakes , you can't go to prison for mistakes, so my dear colleague from the neighboring faction said that someone will forget someone will forget to declare something if you forgot to declare you can't prosecute because it is about the presence of intent when when you hid something from the declaration then you can be prosecuted and only then i absolutely do not understand why the committee did not support a number of completely technical amendments, well, in particular , we are talking about a completely simple amendment colleagues if you are in one in one section of the declaration, property was indicated. and in another section of the declaration, this property was not indicated for some reason. why should you be sent to

prison for this, if conditionally in the property section you indicated what belongs to you, e.g. corporate rights and not they were indicated in the beneficiary section, so why should you be sent to prison for this? secondly, they issued an explanation to the honorable chairman of the committee, according to the honorable chairman of the committee. and as a declarant, i see that this explanation also applies to my situation, why can't i use why i can't apply you clarification which was already a completely technical question that got to the essence of the declaration has nothing to do with the third point look at each of us declares his property constantly every year , relatively speaking, someone declared his property in 2016, this property has not changed in any way, it was like an apartment , and there are so many meters left at such and such an address. you

declare the same apartment in the 17th year, 18-19 and 20th, why should we check what they already checked why is this does what is the point of declaring this apartment for 5 years. every year to demand from you supporting documents if the inspection has already been passed, if already on zak said that there are no violations on this object. why do this? checks. i think that there is no logic in this. the only explanation i heard at the committee is that, allegedly, with this law , we are only restoring the declaration and we cannot make any changes.

to be transparent, that is, the society must understand and see the wealth of the official, but the second is that this declaration must be understandable for the declarant. declarants, including deputies of village village councils, village village heads, and so on, was very often heard at yesterday's committee. the question is that all declarants are educated persons and they have no right to make mistakes, but at the same time, dear lady, the head of the committee was wrong five times yesterday , i.e. well, this is absurd, colleagues for concealing criminally acquired property , the declarant must answer, and there is no doubt here, but if the declarant made a mistake , incompletely reflected something unknowingly, it is not

his responsibility for the mistake to go to prison go it is not possible and there should not be legislation such that for an obvious mistake the declarant goes to prison, although at the same time i once again drew attention to the fact that the declaration should be sufficiently strict . declarants to make corrections to the declaration when it is obvious that it is a mistake when it is obvious that there is no malicious intent to hide this property and when it is proven that this property was acquired in a legal way then when we should talk about the fact that the main purpose is the prevention of corruption is called the national agency for the prevention of corruption, not the national agency

, and that's why i would like to know that now i have one more minute left. i would like to address those who call themselves public activists or some other respected or not respected community when you were all still walking under the table i was already filling out the declaration that almost all my colleagues from the homeland faction at the time when you did not pay taxes to your own state i personally paid over the past four years taxes more than yours, all anti-corruption centers combined, so it is not for you to tell us any stories, first declare yourself first, pay taxes yourself first, do at least something for ukraine and then run and start harassing people's deputies and other people, i will emphasize once again that declaration must be it must be transparent. it must be clear, but it must be such that

the official can normally and calmly fill out the declaration, bear responsibility for the criminal concealment of illegally acquired property, and not to be responsible for obvious mistakes and small things thank you thank you please then tell me your number serhii volodymyrovych amendment number 26 is an amendment about the fact that if an explanation is issued to one citizen and the second citizen wants to use this explanation, he has the right to do so additionally without contacting the national agency, if they explain to one of my colleagues that the house must be rented like this , and i will fill out my declaration and read it and you will see that this is my case, i can simply use this explanation absolutely

a technical question that is accurate does not in any way affect the issue of the international monetary fund, it definitely does not affect anything, but it simply makes certain misunderstandings impossible, i will say so gently in nazk when one declarant is explained one thing to another declarant another and so on, i ask you to support the technical question thank you please, the position of the committee, anastasia olehivna, colleagues, the committee rejected this amendment because, on the contrary, it gives the opportunity to do things more arbitrarily and give you one explanation and another, and then say it similar legal relations or not, the committee believes that there should be one approach , the recommended clarifications are the same for everyone and everything and no individual clarifications, there is no possibility for nazk to decide whether you have similar legal relations or not, therefore the committee - this amendment rejected the proposal of a people's deputy for a vote vlasonka take into account the amendment number 26 of his authorship and colleagues yevtushka by the committee, it was rejected, please

vote for 224, the decision was not taken, the amendment was not taken into account , next thank you, dear mr. head 246 the amendment says that, colleagues, if you indicated any property in one section of the declaration and mistakenly did not indicate it in another section of the declaration, then it is not a crime because you declared this property. i say it again, i gave an example, suppose one of you is a founder enterprises you have a section property looks enterprises indicated you have a second section in the declaration the final beneficiary by mistake you did not indicate the same campaigns in this section it is not a crime and you

cannot be prosecuted for it if the property is mentioned in the declaration, it means that you have declared it and there are no more problems here, and then during the inspection, you will submit all the necessary documents to the nazk, thank you, the position of the committee, please , the rule that is more favorable for the declarant should be applied, according to the rest of the point rules , the committee rejected stavlya for the vote , the proposal of people's deputy vlasenko to take into account his amendment number 246, authorship of lasenko yevchuk, it was rejected by the committee, please vote

for 247, the amendment is taken into account next, serhii volodymyrovych zhytomyr, amendment 277, it refers to the example i mentioned, if you declare the property for several years and it does not change , you had an apartment of 70 m and it is located there, then you declare it for five years, if you have it checked once, then you do not need to check it the second, third , fourth, etc. for the umpteenth time, it is not necessary to force the declarant to confirm that he will already confirm the position of the committee , please editorially provide that the illegal cannot carry out a re-check except in cases of receiving new information, for example

, what can it be when colleagues can be a decision the court may be a response to an international legal mandate and so on. this possibility should be left. therefore, i ask that this amendment be taken into account editorially . serhii volodymyrovych. i correctly understand that you propose to fully take into account yes. okay. i am putting to a vote serhiy volodymyrovych vlasenko's proposal to fully take into account amendment number 277, which is currently in committee editorially taken into account please vote for 239 amendment fully taken into account what is the next thank you dear mr. chairman next amendment 290 the specified amendment about what colleagues if in

if you have found errors in the declaration, then the nazc should give you the opportunity to correct these errors and then check it on a question , not of good faith, and everything and not to torture and drink your blood, please support the colleagues of the committee colleagues for one simple reason, this amendment completely enslaves both administrative and criminal liability for lying in the declaration of taking into account this colleague's amendment will mean that the european union will not give a positive conclusion on the implementation of the colleague's recommendations, this amendment will lead to a presidential veto and the verkhovna rada will be guilty of disruption of agreements in the european union, colleagues, it is true, i am putting to a vote the proposal of people's deputy vlasenko to take into account amendment

number 290 by the committee, it was rejected, please vote 31, the decision has not been made, the next series , volodymyrech, colleagues are calling for silence in the hall , please. representatives of the majority , please calm down a bit that someone there is taking some kind of criminal responsibility, there are all the possibilities to check, check, there are unsubstantiated assets , prosecute, there are lies in the declaration, for lies in the declaration , prosecute, but not for mistakes, i

emphasize once again that the difference is huge, huge difference because 291 - and the amendment precisely regulates issues related to the possibility of correcting mistakes and not avoiding criminal responsibility . clinging to the deputies of rural village councils for 2-3 thousand hryvnias and shouting that, look at how they deal with corruption, that 's why colleagues , if they hid in prison, if it's a mistake, then a mistake. thank you. regarding ukraine's implementation of the recommendations on the fight against corruption, i

am asking you colleagues not to play with it, the committee made a balanced text, i am asking you not to destroy it. no. 291 was rejected by the committee, please vote for 200 129, the decision is not accepted, the amendment is not taken into account and the last, the last amendment no. 47 and colleagues, first of all, i want to thank everyone who supported the amendments, i will not ask for amendment 407, but i have a minute. i want to thank you once again to all those who approached this issue professionally, i once again urge everyone not to manipulate the issues of declaration , in fact, in reality, there should be a declaration, the official should be transparent, but for mistakes,

a person cannot be thrown in prison, you understand if hid a in prison and i wanted to point out, unfortunately, with all due respect to the chairman of the committee, the committee did not make a balanced decision , the committee did not take into account the agreements that were in the working group that was created. as a result of the order of the chairman of the verkhovna rada, the committee manipulated a little yesterday i will say so gently about certain decisions, so let's not be honest and frank here either. once again i want to thank everyone who supported the amendments, master, we made the declaration at least a little more friendly to the declarants. thank you, please, onward to the homeland. krulko one correction yes two corrections ok three minutes two corrections please krulko rule numbers tell me ivan korolko faction homeland e-e dear colleagues

people's deputies i would first of all like to remind you that it is not this composition of the parliament that is now heroically suddenly establishing declarations in ukraine i would like to remind that the previous composition of the parliament adopted the law on defining the procedure for submitting the declaration of persons authorized to perform the functions of the state and local self-government and the purpose of the declaration, which was introduced in ukraine was not to put all the deputies and officials behind bars, but the purpose of the declaration was for the ukrainian society to see what kind of official lives for what and how much money he has publicity and openness, this was a key requirement when we adopted this law. i would not like that those bodies that are called to be service bodies

in order to prevent corruption were somehow empowered to turn into punitive bodies. we should not act together here with you in order for this law that we was defined as the alleged submission of a declaration exclusively by deputies because such narratives are constantly being heard and it is about the fact that all those officials who receive payment from taxpayers must show what they live for and what kind of lifestyle they lead. this is our key task that we have to fulfill faction of the homeland has consistently supported and will continue to support the submission of declarations by those entities authorized to perform the functions of the state, but i have a question

. please tell me, dear colleagues. why do we you did not even take a simple step in this law and did not leave it possible for deputies of local councils where less than 10,000 citizens live, voters live so that at least they do not submit declarations, these are majority deputies in small villages, in small villages, they currently make up the deputy i want to tell you that this is a systemic situation and i have relevant amendments . i would like us to listen to them, at least those deputies with a population of less than 10,000, they do not have to submit declarations, they do not receive a single penny from the state budget of taxpayers' funds and they are written in this law as well. i would like to put one more amendment number 27 and i will now comment on two amendments if possible

yes please 27 thank you amendment number 27 i want everyone to listen very carefully to this and the amendment which echoes the amendment put forward by my colleague serhii vlasenko, it received 224 votes about what this amendment is about, this is an amendment about what if the national agency for the prevention of corruption gave an explanation in which question regarding one of the declarants, they this explanation immediately posts on his website and then the next declarant, having this explanation, can use it in his legal relations, as it happens in court when you take a court decision and then you can use it as evidence when you have another case this is an absolutely logical and correct decision and we lacked just two votes to do it because dear colleagues, when you have a situation with your own declarations and you have a corresponding explanation from one of your colleagues, you will not be able

to become one if we do not accept this amendment. please i am putting to a vote the proposal of the people's deputy king to take into account his amendment number 27 by the committee, it was rejected , i ask you to vote for 220, the decision was not adopted, the amendment was not taken into account , the following ivan ivanovich is that all, ivan krulko faction, fatherland and dear colleagues, i have amendment number five and number nine of them are the same amendments, they concern the declaration of deputies of local councils where less than 10,000 voters live, these are small communities, they do not receive a single penny from the state budget they work in their

local communities and make decisions that do not affect the decisions of the entire state, i ask you to listen to this, at least for these deputies , relieve them of the need to submit declarations well, let's at least somehow see that these people, who already know, do not take great pleasure in the fact that they have to come declarations should also be submitted at the session. i believe that we should make a decision in order to look positively at our local self-government bodies in communities where there are less than 10,000. thank you for voting ivan ivanovich's proposal krulyuka, take into account his amendment number five by the committee, it was rejected, i ask you to vote for 102 , the decision was not taken, please, the amendment was not taken into account, please, kabalchenko, three

minutes, yes, three amendments, numbers, say numbers 138, 345 and 406, you will present them all , i will put all three amendments for confirmation ok, one at a time. yes, then , one minute at a time. yes, thank you. yes, one minute at a time . please, one minute. supervisory boards of state-owned companies, members of state-owned enterprises, state-owned organizations that work in ukraine today, so that they also declare it. i believe that this certificate is very fair that none of the foreigners currently working in ukraine, they have not yet confirmed their effectiveness and the proportionality of the

salaries that they receive the final result , therefore this amendment is also about the fact that foreigners working in ukraine in public positions, who are part of the supervisory boards of state banks and further on the list also have the right it is mandatory to declare and do it, just like other subjects of declaration. thank you for your support. people's deputy tabachenko's proposal to take into account his amendment number 138 was rejected by the committee. please vote now. 79 amendment is not taken into account. next 345 please as we can see about the sequence for today or the norm of the law provides that

absolutely all declarations are submitted by april 1, therefore this exercise suggests the following that those declarations that were not submitted for 2021 and 2022 should be submitted until april 1, 2024. just like the declaration for 2023, we must go back and comply with the june norms of the law of ukraine, which state that declarations must be submitted by april 1 of the following reporting period . thank you for your support. amendment number 345 was rejected by the committee, its authorship, i ask you to vote for 116 , the decision was not taken, the amendment was not taken into account, and 406 thank you

, the last amendment number 406, it says the following before the actions of the draft law that we we are considering today it is very clearly written that it is allowed not to declare the place of residence of the members of the persons who are the subjects of the declaration. if these persons live somewhere abroad, i want to remind everyone, first of all, i remind myself that the war in ukraine today is not somewhere abroad . it absolutely looks like a logical approach that the subject of the declaration independently decides during martial law whether he wants to declare the place of residence of his family members or not. thank you for your support. colleagues, the committee rejected this amendment because it categorically contradicts the agreements with the international monetary fund, categorically please

. i am putting to a vote kobalchenko's proposal to take into account his amendment number 406. it was rejected by the committee. please vote 77. the decision was not taken. i mean, yes, we have completed the truth, so god grant our homeland that it will never be all, please for the future skorokhod three edits four edits please 243 yes dear colleagues, colleagues, amendment 243 is proposed to provide that information about the object of declaration, which is owned by a third party and according to the executed deed, is in the possession or use of the subject of the declaration or a member

of his family, is noted in the event that the deed was committed under by agreement with the subject of the declaration or a member of his family and the subjects of the declaration are aware of the commission of such a deed. colleagues, this is when a warrant is issued to you and you do not know what is happening with the property, so that you have imposed responsibility for non-declaration i propose to adopt this practice i put the proposal of people's deputy skorokhod skorokhodan the position of the committee please with the international monetary fund we give the opportunity to hide property that is in use therefore i ask my colleagues not to support this amendment i put the proposal of people's deputy skorokhod to take into account washing machine number 243 it was rejected by the committee, please