[000:00:00;00] the position is not to create a model of a military confrontation. this is the clear position of the nato leadership today, and first of all, why won't the united states provide us with other types of powerful weapons? they flew to poland, baidy was at 20, he said, no, this was not there , er, russia did not attack the immediate church, rather , ukraine, that is, even without studying the situation , there was already a clear position that this was not an attack on nato countries, and that is why these warnings are being issued today it was understood that romania took a position like this, someone can analyze the situation that this is an indirect strike, that it is possible that the drone was fired or shot down. for example, ukraine flew debris on the territory of romania, to some extent justifying the position of russia that it did not strike on the territory of romania, that is, for that to create

a direct precedent because the situation if a combat drone flew into the territory of romania and hit the territory of romania, even some social objects, just the territory, this is already a reason to talk about a military strike on the nato country and this should definitely be considered at the nato summit as an extremely urgent event, an extraordinary event, and everything is just the format to evaluate is this a direct aggression or is it an accident and what should romania and the entire alliance do in particular to prevent such other actions on the part of russia , it is clear that it was decided by some measures will be put on the brakes. and at the level of the research commission , while here are the conclusions. i think that this process has dragged you out and you will be conditionally put forward somewhere in the middle. that the drones really flew, they were sent to the territory of ukraine and by chance the second part flew into the territory of romania, but you will see how we talk about this format. this is the conclusion , but i am talking about the weak opposition of nato, so even

the sending of, for example , helicopters to the territory of nato countries, and not flooding, for example, the fall of missiles, the fall of drones on their territory and this is already a combat component, it should be an extraordinary event to gather nato itself and specifically ahead that it was really an act of aggression that nato really took into account but clearly warns that following such raids there will be a powerful backlash strikes not only on the object of the attack. and which aggressor country then it will be clear that putin and the whole team will be kept close to the border of the nato countries . by the way, mr. general, our colleagues from the word and deed project have prepared a small infographic about how and when the russians violated

the airspace of third countries , well, what do we see from all this? july bulgaria threw a panzer-1 missile ashore on october 10, 22, violation of moldovan airspace october 31 , moldova, falling fragments of a missile november 15, 22, e-e poland, a falling missile impact that led to the death of two people december 5, 22- of the year moldova, the fall of fragments of the s-300 e-e missile on december 16, the fall of the x-55 missile in poland, on february 10, already in the 23rd year , moldova and romania, violation of the airspace by caliber missiles, on september 4, romania , the fall and detonation of the chess drone well,

as we can see in principle in this situation i the lack of an effective and sharp reaction by the countries of the north atlantic region obviously calls into question whether the alliance can now provide security, including the members of this large coalition of theirs. and the most important thing is whether they can be a security system, a world security system in conditions when russia is the aggressor, what do you say about on this occasion , does nato not suit russia, i will simply say that nato, even before the start of the war, did not take a hard position regarding russia's aggression , the intelligence service of the united states, britain, germany and the council other countries clearly had the date of the attack on ukraine, they had just the traditional e -e directions of strikes and it is clear that the concentration of troops that was being prepared in terms of training and at the moment and our leadership of unactivated prejudice

millions of consular positions of nato countries are not ahead such actions nato's tough position is not only political the military operative signs, but the military could have preempted the war , no statements were made about it, the publication of maps, about what are you talking about when you talk about war and wait for it to happen but that’s already show weakness and thereby used the situation. putin simply took advantage of the fact that such a powerful bloc took an ideal position. who is reading already, the drop-by-drop supply of weapons and equipment will fall on everything at the first stage. this is another format that showed the stakes of a number of nato countries that are opposed to supporting ukraine and possibly surrendering the territory you know which countries - this is another format that does not characterize the administration and this is the indicative picture that we talked about today - this is a clear indication that direct or hitting

the territory of nato countries are just ghosts for not only powerful countermeasures, even a warning about the contours and ready for their application, in real online mode, shows that all other missile systems are ready, and even the discussion as an emergency situation, i understand that you have worked out the topic too much. we will not stress the situation today. to create the prerequisites for a new global idea , including nuclear ones, this is the main motivation. i know the nato apartment myself , i have talked with him several times and stautenberg with other leaders, they want there to be no nuclear war, this is clear, but i will say no later self-destructive, he understands that the use of nuclear weapons is a prerequisite for the destruction of russia, the destruction of even humanity, so not very . there they will take risks with this process. yes, they will use it in rhetoric and are using it now, but if a powerful position and in terms of even nuclear threats, it will already be a powerful blow to

they will really focus on russia, what are their chances, but they have to start today, when they are already encroaching on nato countries, when they are striking at peace, everything is peaceful in ukraine. like today, in kostyantynivka , peaceful citizens are dying in the markets. he is just a civilian, nothing, without any problems, only with the aim of carrying out terrorist attacks, destroying people, because it is on the territory of our state, this is absurd, and he is silent in response to the ato, he does not hold an extraordinary meeting of the general assembly, everything is just the number one topic, such terrorist acts hit our territory the destruction of how peaceful the citizens of the system are continuously every night and they hit with political missiles, imagine that every country has too many or zones had such threats, this was an emergency situation, but they are waiting when there will be a direct threat to the concept of the usa and europe and nato that they were to act very actively when

there will be specific aggressive actions of russia against nato members well, for example, a powerful missile attack. countries, we understand massive attacks, it is possible to contrast or offensive operations, but then they will already raise the level of unity and already use all resources, but then it may be too late, as a rule, you have to act on prejudice first turn by political operational means means of prejudice and this is a potential military position over the latest type that will show that russia has no chance of winning the war or winning any other scenarios before this i really do not know if putin’s team for them such arguments are serious all the others will be russian propagandists p general are actively preparing their population for a direct conflict with nato on propaganda channels broadcast videos in which the countries of the west are called

nazis let's look at the west not just direct accomplices of the nazis, but the most natural nazis and there are oh that they are fighting against us so far with other people's hands, some kind of so far, even the geographical location of the technocists has not changed a bit since the last century , it is enough to compare the two maps so as not to create an illusion and this opposition has instead exactly as many as there are russia itself, by the way, by itself the public discussion of the topic of western security guarantees is a sure sign of the west preparing another invasion of russia for the word of mr. general, they pump up their population, we have literally 15 seconds

please comment on this video. well, clearly, russia will soon have terrorist acts at school , there are acts of genocide, it is forming a fascist state and forms of trying to cover all the territory, so to speak, which they consider to be zones of interest. it affects healthy democratic forces, i.e. demolition and, as it were, our efforts from our apartment, so they should come from the air. thank you, mr. general , the person was general mykola malamush. in the next program we will have pavlo klimkin in the next program all the best take care of yourself and your loved ones goodbye damn stairs my legs can't walk anymore i'm suffocating that there is no health but what is the health of our top ten i thought so until i tried gerovital gerovital plus world vitamin a complex that cares for the heart and strengthens the body gerovital plus good health - active life ukraine-england - on megogo in

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mstislav chernov and yevhen olenetka and eh first of all congratulations congratulations let's start with the oscar because we always have some oscar passions, we always want to win the oscar then we can't do navalny or someone else, but you said to me that you wanted to submit like this, that is , i understand correctly that you have such plans to submit to the category of the best documentary . yes, there are categories of the best documentary film we just fall into this category in terms of style and we will try to do it, what will happen next is not up to us, but er , not much was released this year and it surprised us er, there are not many large documentaries about ukraine and i

i believe that it is absolutely necessary to represent both ukraine and the topic of ukraine now at the oscars, it will not be a submission from ukraine , because the press association from the states is the united states . -is i understand correctly, and for oscar, not only the quality of the film is important, but also how big the advertising was, this is how much this is a decisive fact, ah, oscar's company is like that , it's a great resource, it's always a lot of trips, a lot of acquaintances, and a lot of attention should be paid to it the film is presented on the international stage, i can’t say whether we are successful or not, ukrainian cinema has already announced itself in the world , ukrainian wine, cinema, already has good , always has good chances at the oscars, it

is noticed, that’s why i i just think it's simple this is exactly our film, it falls into the category of documentary films only because it is made in english for a foreign audience, pbs froline is an american documentary studio, i sushist press is an american company, so we are going yes, but i hope that it is the best in the category as well an international film, uh, ukrainian cinema will also be there, we'll see it on us, usually scandals happen around this, but i want to ask both of you, you say that there is little uh, ukrainian, it is documentaries that you consider so what do you really think now it is necessary to shoot documentaries first of all and not feature films and what to do with feature films because there are a lot of opinions about the film butch which is now in the post-production stage and i am now such a small scandal around the yurik series

, it is about mariupol and residents of mariupol who survived the occupation say that the authors wrongly portrayed them there and that they showed their life under the occupation in a much more rosy way, so do you really think that now is not the time for a feature film about a full-scale repetition or is it still you can do it, watch feature film and documentary film, these are different mediums and different topics require different mediums , something can be told , some stories can be told only through documentary, some topics can only be told through literature, there are their own topics , and i think that it is important , it is still important to do it it is important, it is important to do it ethically correctly by talking to the audience and so on and so on, but it needs to be done precisely because a-ah and mariupol

and in general er-er the invasion of russia into ukraine er-er requires constant information presence from the point of view of the ukrainian point of view if it is not there, either in the artistic field or somewhere else, a vacuum will be created for documentary , but a vacuum does not exist in the information space, it will be filled, if it is not filled by ukrainian cinema, it will be filled by russian propaganda, no one wants that, do you think so do you think you agree? well, i think that you said scandals. yes, i think that, like ukrainians , we should always unite and work to a-a make a quality product and present it to the world. it's a good example of how you need to unite around an idea, make ideas and go no matter what. yes, there and don't

get angry, don't make any glass and sewers, but continue. that's it. what do you do? and here is the business that we chose. yes, from the beginning, it's long ago, let's say from a long time ago, or years ago, we still continue it , we still continue to do it at one point . to show that it's all possible and that ukrainians can make movies and can represent and you do you feel that with your film you filled some kind of information vacuum that existed before the full-scale invasion because you really have a film that uh i watch a lot of reviews if you look at the platform and like imdba everything else well, i think you have seen it is very positive reviews high ratings at the same time the movie

it's hard to watch, it's all somehow combined, because of what it causes , such an emotion arises that it's difficult for people, but it's interesting at the same time, because in fact there is not enough information. well, it's not that the information reaches people everywhere, but with full information information with the context of history, it is not enough, we see everything quickly, and especially the international audience . i say that you have the problems of your countries with your life, and that is why i told such great stories that you were captured for at least 90 minutes and do not let go. they are needed now so that right now is the right time for such stories and the whole secret is in this. well, the history of mariupol is unique. mariupol is

a symbol both for ukrainians and for the international audience. it is a symbol of the true face of the russian invasion of ukraine. and this a symbol of resistance, a symbol of will and hope, that is, it is the story of mariupol. it actually represents the history of this invasion that is still happening and probably because of that, and also because there is hope in it, despite all the pain we see , there is always hope. when you filmed this tape, did you expect that it would be film because, after all, journalistic work is different from cinematographic work, now i hear a lot from cinematographers such

opinions as journalists say now they have gone to documentary and they say that we are not very good it works out for everyone, but what is the fundamental difference when you are journalists filming and when you calculate that it will be a documentary about documentarians, it can be said that they are not enough in time, let's say so because there are very painful topics that need to be talked about right now and tell directly without artistic additions , because especially if we talk about topics , we openly talk about topics of potential war crimes, about murders, which topics are acute in the context of

russian fake news propaganda, and for them it is the style it is important to submit such a reportage straight to weight loss, so that no additional questions arise, or maybe it was a production, maybe it was something that was not what was actually happening, and so on, depending on the topic we are talking about, about which i am a film, and you need to choose a style for on this topic, i want to ask you about the filming itself, in what way well, not that it is a feature, er, we often also talk about red lines, where to go, where not to go, what is ethical, what is not ethical. i think that it is sometimes very individual in our country

disputes arise, tell me what were the possible situations during the filming when you just put the camera down there and did not shoot , was there such a thing that you considered yevgeny in this situation at all, tell me, let 's start with you, so tell us approximately so that we can orientate ourselves we could already film, you know, so that we couldn't film, we wanted to film a lot, but when people are under great stress, they are aggressive, and they try , they see a journalist and they attack you. well, it's not that they are angry with you what are you becoming trigrom, you are a person with a camera, and they start uh, not to the camera, not to rush , and at you, and as a person, and eh, just to release your energy and for a while to start filming, and you had to talk to

people, relax them so that eh - to pass, this energy went down, negative, and then , ah, take out the camera and start filming something, because it happened so often in these situations when people don't know what to do, they don't know what will happen in this minute, in a second , and they see their children who are nothing they can help, but there is nothing to feed them, they don’t have to give a glass of water and so on . and that’s all, and here are the people who just came to shoot something and it was sometimes difficult, really , so here we are, but we were in the same conditions , but that is, there was never a situation when you thought that it was already a match, you need to shoot or shoot everything, then the editors together with

you, when is it at all possible to talk to the editor, and you decide what can be published. what is too much? too difficult for the viewer but so what it's interesting. in general, the media space. and what international snakes have been publishing in the last year and a half has changed much more . there are more candid shots of people who are dying and killed and tortured people . i think that this is because the number of a - and the crimes of the military she she just came all uh all all possible borders and

uh the mass media started to show finally they started to show everything and this is the first second when you edit a film you still have 30 hours and it's still not enough we had 30 hours and you need to make a movie 90 minutes and at the same time show everything as it is and at the same time not repel the viewer with the amount of blood and suffering because we are dumb, our psyche is dumb when it sees a lot of suffering and therefore do not sanitize it as we say and at the same time show everything as it is this balance was hard to find but i believe that we found it correctly, because the film received the audience prize at the sentencia at other festivals , which means that we did our job correctly. i remember your e-discussion

of cinematographers when they showed it. it seems that this is the first time in ukraine when your film was shown, you talked about it, i’m already afraid to lie about something, but i think you talked about it when you were preparing it, you talked with your colleagues about staying and they wanted everything to happen. as you said, without manipulation, but not in a crude sense. and that it was there without music, so that you do not express any of your emotions or what you are related to. tell them what they wanted at the very beginning, what it means without documentary , without manipulation, and maybe you somehow forced them to reconsider their views a little, no one was

against the music, but again because, uh, since russia has tried many times to declare that these filmings are fake, that's why one of the principle positions was not to add anything that wasn't there to documentaries, uh, modern documentaries are uh, allowed uh -e tools when the director works with foley and so we call it, that is, he can amplify some sounds with the help of sounds that were not in the film, add an explosion, the sound of explosions and so on. and all this is not in our film precisely because it was necessary to show as it was me at all, what am i here for, the press is such a rule , no manipulations with the sound, no manipulations, uh, with the picture, and this and this is actually very difficult, because when you collect a documentary film, when you make a story that needs to be told and also interesting

yes, it is necessary to keep together, er, to know that you cannot not introduce any elements or add anything, this is such a challenge, it is not easy, but it seems to me that we did your colleagues against the very beginning that you tell the story from yourself and it is sufficiently personalized that is, you are not yes, i was not suspended. no, i was against us. i did everything to prevent this from happening, and we recorded many people. we found many people . we traveled with yevhen and with vasilisa we found people who survived in mariupol. people who are in the film who survived and interviews were conducted with them and at first i thought that this is exactly how the film will look, but then we realized that we want the viewer to leave these 20 days so that