[000:00:00;00] to know that you cannot not present any elements or add anything because it is such a challenge, it is not easy, but it seems to me that we did or were your colleagues against the very beginning that you are telling the story from yourself and it is sufficiently personalized. that is, you are not isolated. no, i was against us, i did everything to prevent this from happening, and we recorded many people, we found many people, we traveled with yevgeny, traveled with vasilisa, found people who survived in mariupol, how did i photograph them? interview we did an interview with them and at first i thought that this is how the film would look, but then we realized that we do not want the viewer to leave these 20 days, to stay there for those 20

days, closed in such a sense of claustrophobia, we wanted to transfer the viewer in this feeling, that's why we decided not to go out, not to use these interviews, and then this perspective of the story appeared , the perspective of the journalist who tells, but still, it's just a perspective that helps connect the story, it's not the story of journalists evgeny appears in the frame sometimes i appear there sometimes in the frame, but this story is not about us , and we already shot it all like this yes, well, we just work like this so as not to get in anyone's frame, of course, so as not to fall on each other yes because it's sometimes disturbing the forest, you'll tell me and you, then you look at the photo, yes, you go to the forest, and then you ran me over

on video, that's where they are. well, that's how we learned to be there. we try not to disturb each other. yes, and almost us such an effect of presence as photographs and not being reflected in the mirror yes, sometimes we are standing there next to each other so as not to disturb the other and we say our movements forward there i ran forward there or i ran back there like that and that's why we are almost nowhere even if he wanted to, it still seems that it was a very important element, because i communicated with people by viewers what is it really because it is considered so among documentarians that well, at least among ours, it is very uh. phew, i will not do behind-the-scenes and phew, i will not synchronously write people there, what is it at all. this is very not cool. but in your case , it turned out to be very cool effective factor right there well, one more thing, if this is true, there is a trend in documentary filmmaking, not only in ukrainian

, but also internationally, not to be present in the film if you are not part of the story you are telling, otherwise it is called extract jonatalism, when you fly somewhere, you arrive you are filming the history of people and ah yevhen is from berdyansk near mariupol i am from kharkiv we worked in mariupol for a very long time there are so many of our friends there so many of us are part of this big family this is also our history that is why we could be part of history if it was somewhere in another country, then it would not be like this, but since we are also a part of this society, our history is the history of this society, our er, our er, efforts

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the espresso tv channel , remind me who filmed this one of the most famous photos of a father sitting over the body of his dead son, these currents were filmed by yevhen tell me how to do it in general, because i was filming alone. i remember the film. i watched it on the dock somewhere, it seems like a few months ago . at first, you shoot it like this, and then you stand in the room where the father and son are. how is it? well, i don't i even know that it is technically correct to do it in order to remove it and that everything should be as ethical as possible so as not to violate the boundaries of this situation

. well, i think that this is provided, you know , you will learn, uh, not that this mechanic is some kind, but the feeling when you can do it sometimes yes, so that you don't get additional aggression, which is already there and that pain and what people feel and that strong pain a-a that we see there in the photo and video it's really not easy and it doesn't always work, how about we guess what and this is luck and so on, but such a situation can happen and maybe serhii uh-uh really because he also allowed us to do it because it’s like we ca

n’t just enter such a space without permission, well it’s impossible it’s also two people yevhen takes photos i take videos we are both present in the room and uh- two cameras, not even one, two cameras , that’s it, doctors, and more, other patients, others. two friends, and whose son was killed , they were also there. ran in and bet and he understood that there was everything although he brought it in the car, that's just what we saw as a witness as i hear a signal. and the car as it drives up, as the trunk opens, and from there they take out the body

of ilya artem, and then they brought another one of these three guys who uh-uh was it a cluster munition a-uh that exploded on on the football field when they were playing well, i understand that this was one of the most difficult moments when filming or whether there were also you there everywhere there everywhere it wasn't just there you can say it's like that and there's something what well it's clear that from 30 minutes to a lot what didn't come in. and what didn't come in is not because it's there it didn't hit because you looked and realized that it couldn't be shown for some reason, there was no such thing, there were things that were simply not part of the story

we were telling. i wanted to show it, but it’s just that according to the plot, it just didn’t work, well, it just didn’t work out. of course, if it’s a film, it should have a story arc in it, and something i just can’t enter because it doesn’t work. there were moments when, well, we shoot, for example, the bodies of children who uh which the doctors couldn't save, but at this very moment, the viewer has already seen so much that, well, you just can't show it anymore, because it will distract people from the story. that's why it's a big job, and in fact, a good editor helps

me here pvs frontline editor michelle is a master, she and i edited everything together . and here is her perspective, she also helps to find the right moment. you had one episode in the film, which was discussed in such fairly narrow journalistic circles. the episode when you show the mass graves , when these bodies are assembled, and you ask the man who does it, what do you feel about us? to get it and maybe people feel some kind of involvement, that they are interested in their feelings, yes, and other colleagues of ours believe that this is one of the most incorrect questions, that such a question should never be asked in life, and full stop, do you

think that this is a good question, can you explain why is it appropriate and correct, first of all, you see that the film is not detached er, yes, it is without, let's say, without judgments, without er, any such emotional er, i don't try to convey my emotions to the viewer, but er, it's still it's an emotional film, and it seems to me that it's right to be interested in people's feelings because we, as journalists, are documentaries

. they are not they answer, but i don't remember anyone in my entire career of conflict journalism not answering this question. and from judea, whether it was iraq, syria, ukraine, nagorno-karabakh, everywhere , especially those who are under stress, i i can't say it's nice, but it's necessary to share. if they've already started talking on camera, then they need to share. the worst thing in such a situation is to know that everyone doesn't care. i've been in such situations. so when you're under terrible stress or you almost died and a when someone is interested in what you feel it

supports you. you know that people don't care. and i just want to show people that i don't care. by the way, you're probably in the minority, but your position is well-argued . it seems to me that i'm putting myself in the person's place. for example, among my colleagues, the editor-in-chief of babel was yevhen spirin, he dealt with bodies in buch, he got a job in the morgue, and there he was asked this question, and he wrote a whole post saying that, well, this question cannot be asked, but it is, you see, such a debatable thing you know, in your film i also liked how you say it incorrectly, you fight against russian propaganda and i feel that you did not have such a goal from the very beginning and you rather do what is journalism, show the truth , a very similar story in iron butterflies is in another film there about

mh17 i don't know if you've seen a similar technique there when they show russian news and then they show other shots where it's clear that these russian news are lying , but you have the same one when you show russian journalists, well, call them journalists it is probably difficult for the propagandists who claim that everything in the maternity hospital was staged and we see all these shots and understand this whole scheme according to which russian propaganda works . can you explain exactly the tools of this display of disinformation, false propaganda, so that it does not look like counter-propaganda, not like e- is there any answer, not like a dialogue with propagandists, but like journalism, well , you said this just now, it's not a dialogue. and we shouldn't respond or try to fight

propaganda. we'll just do our own thing work and film this is precisely the tool of such work because when you give people from see how propaganda works, it gives many versions and people lose perspective in these versions and we live in an age of information, misinformation, misinterpretation , let's say false interpretation, but if you give people enough to the text, how is it possible to do it in the film, then it will be easier for them to act against this incorrect

interpretation of the events they see, but yevgen pushed the same with the photos he took, it's the same well, we're just it it spilled out, first on me, then on all of us. because the first photos became popular. yes, and the photos. here is the first photo that was published on almost all the front pages of those newspapers that are still in print. and yes, there are not so many of them left now. but when they all came out at once from one photo on the front cover a-a we realized that it was a photo of irina kalinin er-er a pregnant woman on a stretcher

who then died and this one as if this wave was directed against that yes er- well , fake news is there to discredit photographer yes, how did i do it, and i was called different things about me there, yes, information terrorist, from mrs. zakharova, and so on , yes, well, everyone remembered me there, and now everyone is famous, but if the main thing is not to give up, and so on, and just keep doing it, yes, there and i don't know how difficult it would be to prove something here and to whom to prove it, well, how would we do our work. yes, there, we showed it. and how it is, uh

, then in our country. we checked us there, and they showed us what we have there is still something to be done, but i think we have done enough for the world i understand what is happening. yes, and this work of ours showed yes, you were also in our work, you were made very high . yes, i want to ask about different festivals, different events , because i don’t know you, you probably don’t count the number of these events abroad, where are you taking them ? my film must be q9 communication with the audience communication with the press i am even more interested in communication with the audience a-a lot of stories from your colleagues who went somewhere there and encountered some wild ideas about our country

a-a from different people e- and felt this one the vacuum of information about ukraine, of course, tell me if it is possible for you to have any question from the audience that you met very often or some kind of reply and how you can feel that exactly your film was able to change the perception of ukraine by those viewers who before watching the film thought one thing a after watching a - and in them this vacuum was filled, i will tell you about the film evgeny travels with photo exhibitions, it is also such an important important part, most often and this is good, the most often heard question is how to help, it is so simple, but how to help. tell us. now we want to help, but i think that actually part of our work is not our work, but our work as a ukrainian society should be precisely to help

the international community understand how to help . it's simple, but it's important, secondly. they understood the scale because the scale of suffering, the scale of destruction and the intensity of the war is hard to convey in the news when you watch the news for one, two or three minutes even every day, then you and then you live your normal life and that's normal you're not do you understand how difficult everything is? you don't understand how much everything is happening at the same time and how urgent this issue of simple survival is for ukrainians. it seems to me that the film helps people understand that every minute, every minute, someone in ukraine dies

, civilian soldiers, every minute russian troops attack ukraine and kill uh , they are killing our people, and this is this understanding, it comes just when people watch more than just a minute of news, and there were some pro-russian viewers or people from well, let's say yes, sentiments, sympathies for the russians, what were some of the comments, not often, but there are comments too. it’s also interesting to watch, eh, because i don’t even need to answer them, eh, arguments start in the audience, eh, but there are comments, they are mostly eh they follow the russian narrative, which says something like, it’s all very difficult, ukrainians usually die, but it’s all their fault, because if it wasn’t too much, if

it weren’t for their aggressive behavior of the ukrainians, then russia wouldn’t have to do this to do that is such an excuse. they see what the russians did to mariupol. they can't say that it didn't happen. that's why they say that it's your own fault. this is the kind of comment i usually hear, but there aren't many of them, and how they are perceived by the audience as a rule, well, arguments begin . the answers start, again, i, as an international journalist , cannot include it and say how can you say that, i was there, no, i always answer calmly, i always answer in a reasoned way, but as a rule, people who already formed their own point of view, they don't change it yevgeny about

the exhibitions, so tell me what you are there. well, it's really difficult, because the photograph is mostly alone and it's silent. yes, but it's worth a thousand words. er, to many yes, it is about iryna kalinin and well, in principle, the whole series is from mariupol, that is why the people of mariupol watched all the photos, and i am not talking about the world, because it is difficult to imagine how many people in the world, in principle, watched what happened to mariupol, but they watched and this is true. everyone watched. this is for sure. well, how about those photos that are still in front of people's eyes, and we know this, and people in russia watched this. they watched in the same way so that

everyone wouldn't say. that's for sure well, what about those people who were interested in what's happening in ukraine, they are partially, i think maybe not all of them, but they definitely looked and it's a really important fact that people one way or another they saw it's even what was inside and what is the practical effect what do you think? they saw something, felt something, and what the result of this could be. sometimes i thought that photography is not such a powerful tool as video . yes, maybe it evokes less emotion there, because i was also involved in video and did a lot, but then i realized that when you show

in the regime of such a pike crisis as in ukraine, because everyone is paying close attention to this and these moments from the war, they will be imprinted, but not very long , for a century. yes, there, as if for some period, and for the time being, people will remember and about these events, yes, how coronavirus is there in the world and so further there for the last there we will take yes there historical questions for the time being no way but when the need for arguments to stop this war will appear in russian society this will be one of the arguments these materials this film these photos taken by yevhen these photos that shoot videos which all the journalists are filming now on the front lines and in ukraine, this will all be an argument sooner or later that russian society, when it

will be ready for this doubt, it has the tools to base this doubt on something, i hope that so be it well yes but i think it is possible well if they can potion any example yes it doesn't matter and promote it yes then on television and so on we have seen many such similar scenarios yes when it can be done but so far all the photos are used in other countries to incite on the contrary, we want people to see, yes, what. well, how about more specific photos, yes, not to promote the war, but not to have it, but sometimes it turns out the other way around, because they spread the word and interpret it with their own words

, so that they set fire to more and throw firewood in they are rich and we are the last question, you have people from mariupol in the film who are a little pro-russian or something not very oriented where else they are flying from, so there are not many of them, i was hoping to see more but there are not many of them , but they are still there and we have a discussion about whether it is possible to show cultural diplomacy bought such people, especially abroad. but i would like to ask if there were people among the foreigners who noticed such characters and how they reacted to them, because we already react with knowledge of some contexts there, people do not know what or were there any interesting reactions on yes, the reaction is normal. and why do they say that? they don't understand

what 's going on. this is the first reaction. on journalists, on the situation and all points of view, and there were pro-russian people in mariupol, there were not a majority of them, but they were there, and no one can say that we are not, i, as a director, did not give them a voice, this is the first and second in general, this is mariupol, it is such a phenomenon, it was not just in the blog, he was under an information siege, and this is for the future, uh, we call it some kind of stage . that is, this is an example of how the information blockade affects the psychology of people and people who are in

an information siege, they panic, they believe what they hear, they do not know what is true, what is not true, and showing such people, uh, we also illustrate what, uh, the effect that the information siege of mariupol had . thank you very much . greetings to all the viewers in espresso, it's time to learn about the most important events at the moment.