[000:00:00;00] ends serhiy rudenko continues literally in a moment good evening we are from ukraine glory to ukraine this is a program verdict my name is serhiy rudenko i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health today in the program well you what ukraine needs for victory the results of the two-day visit of the us secretary of state is an important step before the summit of a major twenties china has changed its position on ukraine, what can we expect from putin ? how do the russian dictator's allies impose peace talks on ukraine?

to speak for the next hour with our guest, diplomat pavlo klinkin, but before starting a big conversation with the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2014-2019, i suggest you look at how today rostov-on-don was burning in russia , bryansk region near moscow, during this night, drones attacked the territory let's see russia. oh god, it's shorter , guys, 4 hours

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. so today's guest is pavlo klimkin, a politician-diplomat , the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2014-2019. pavly i congratulate you and i am glad to see you on our air, as always, mr. serhiy. congratulations i welcome all your viewers to play be with you let's start with the main personnel appointment i think this is the main personnel appointment of the year and maybe the last uh 550 days of the war because they changed the minister of defense of ukraine today volodymyr zelensky presented rustem to the mayoral team of the ministry of defense let's see how it goes was the continuation of our defense, a full-scale war requires a new level of transparency and society , above all, soldiers must trust how

the entire defense sector functions, from commanders to a specific combat position from the government of the government to the supplies to the army from the decisions that are made to the specific provision that the soldiers receive, we have to create new and unexpected partnerships, expand the geography of allies , form new regional and thematic alliances mr. pavel during the war , the minister of defense this is much more than the minister of defense because we have seen what did oleksiy reznikov do during the 50-500-50 days of the great war, this is also the participation in rammstein - this is also the communication about weapons that ukrainians received from different countries, and it is clear that

they also expect much more from the deceased than he did before, i mean he was the head of the state property fund, a people's deputy of ukraine, did he work for a private business, or according to you, he will cope with this, he is growing up in the mayor's office, considering that as i already said that the minister of defense is more than the minister of defense now, of course he has no other choice and i believe that this is a unique personal opportunity for him . he is a very interesting person who has convictions and values. of course, he does not have simple tasks. as you said during the war, this everything starting with transparency, this is what volodymyr zelenskyi just said in this story, uh, it's to fix what uh, the machine of the ministry of defense worked like clockwork in terms of procurement. well

, in fact, there is a demand for justice in society, and when someone reads about 17 eggs there or some jackets? well, it is important for the people that they know that everything is class in the ministry of defense, that is, that everything works there, that there are people who you can rely on, that they are a model in some sense, that this is a model for society, and i really wish you success and personal success in that and as a person as a politician well, at the same time, it is a very difficult position, since it is about negotiations, it is trust, if there is no trust, it does not work even one iota with our friends, and he took part in very difficult negotiations, including at

the beginning of the war with russia, so he has such experience he has a unique experience in relationships , and therefore i believe that there is no other option , he will definitely cope with pavla, we have to interrupt our program for 5 minutes , an air alert is starting all over the territory of ukraine , so we have to go to our studio in sheltered literally in 5 minutes, we will return to the air, please wait, we have order, there is order. i am very surprised that the enemy has now given me the opportunity to communicate with you, because here

it is, well, sometimes it is almost unreal, the shelling is very frequent, and civilians here, the civilian population here already, well, almost well, if there are any left, then these are those who are waiting for russian peace, and even the military is almost gone here, because, again, every house is destroyed either by enemy aircraft or artillery or phosphorus. well, i'll show you the house in a little bit, that is, it was here that we moved in, and during the time we lived here, there were direct flights to the house, that is , we were all at home at that moment, the first time it was

the arrival of the council, er, hail, how to say so much more such an incendiary projectile everything starts to burn well actually it's good that we were in the basement i'll show you we live in the basement because of course you can't live in a house in such conditions combat beacon of the reconnaissance platoon of one of the brigades of the armed forces marta demianchuk lives in the fire in the direction of bakhmut every day trench positions task girl saves soldiers at ground zero a went to war in 2018 as soon as she came of age, got to know the guys from the volunteer unit of the bears and decided to join the ukrainian resistance, came to the so medu course and went to the front, my first course although i prepared very well for it, i did not pass well, it was quite difficult, it was a new movement for me, well, it was very difficult, but

later, with hard work, er, just sleepless nights, everything worked out for me. i guess i wasn't there at that time, i was very stressed the counter was not ready for this, that is, there were no stressful situations to make decisions, but well, over time, everything passed and now i am already teaching people, marta was the first with volunteers to get to the mariupol direction , worked there as a combat medic, occasionally traveled to the combat zone, and in 2020- i decided to sign a contract with the armed forces of ukraine and joined the reconnaissance company as a combat medic . i didn’t pass the first interview . a girl told me there. well, the position of a combat

medic doesn’t suit you. come some other time or on some other position , that is, i was related to the reconnaissance company, well, the intelligence brigade, and they were somehow so skeptical about it, even taking into account the fact that i already have combat experience, i had many certificates. well, it was a little strange for me. well, anyway, a week later i she came again and still got in, she got into the brigade, she has been in the army for 5 years now, in 2021, the girl was disbanded at the factory , she had to find a job in another unit, because she didn’t like paperwork, she studied to be a scout nowadays, few people can surpass her in the knowledge of cartography, military topography, determined coordinates. has the analyst mastered everything literally in a matter of days, however, the intensive work gave its results for some time, the position was hospitalized with a suspected heart attack, after the illness she was unable to fully recover , a full-scale war began and she was called to the service

24 in february, marta had to be on duty at the checkpoint for the first time. we always line up in the morning. well, how is it in the brigades and they say all the women can go home, that is, did the women leave and i was left to myself i like this kind of movement, and i was on duty at the checkpoint that day. i just don’t know. it was hell. then more than 1,000 mobilized people passed through the part. i went to volyn for a few days and then to defend kyiv region and zhytomyr region, all the time i saved the wounded at ground zero and now i am with the unit in the direction of soledar, there were so many wounded that

, well, we did not have enough doctors at all. yes, then, simple fighters just three hundred pulled each other, three hundred could pull in 200 there, it wasn’t even strong enough, it just wasn’t enough, it got to the point that the situation was so complicated that our uh almost went as an evacuation group marta says about one of the trips to the positions in the winter, we had to go to one task 100 m from our positions, well, it was a village and a village and there after 100 m another hut a hut there was the enemy there was an observation post of the enemy from where he could occasionally

fire so i asked around the village, how are you? i asked with the guys and it was necessary to simply clean out that house or destroy it together with the personnel of the snipers, the distance to the enemy is so small that the projectiles do not just fly through you to hear the rifle battle and you know how to say it was scary but you can't do that show because later you may not be taken marta demyanchuk remains in the army during the war, she found her vocation and decided to combine life with medicine. for her service, she was awarded the golden cross from the commander in chief

of the armed forces of ukraine valeriya zaluzhny khrystyna parubiy esposo tv channel ukraine started work on creating a tribunal for the russian leadership literally from the first days of the war from the beginning such a prospect seemed almost unreal partners called this idea too ambitious proposed to use already existing legal mechanisms and russian tanks were then stationed in several kilometers from kyiv, for the past year and a half , 38 countries of the world have joined the coalition regarding the creation of the tribunal, from all the content of many of our international partners, there is no question whether it is necessary to create a special terminal answer yes, because its non-creation will have very negative consequences for all international law, we have a koru group , a coalition of states, where today there are 38 states, this is a state that supports the idea of ​​​​creating a special terminal and together are looking for ways to solve this issue, now the question is only in therefore, in what form will such a tribunal function. the first option is the creation of a special tribunal on the basis of the agreement of ukraine on the organization of its united, this is

the general assembly consisting of 193 countries of the world hand over or call on the secretary general with his resolution to conclude an agreement with the state. the second way - this is the so-called nuremberg model, when an agreement is concluded between countries that agree to create a certain judicial body . the third format is a hybrid national court with essential international elements . you are already in our studio in the shelter , now there is an air raid alarm sounding all over ukraine , that is why we and our group, the director's group , have moved to the shelter, we have a communication pavlo klimkin, a politician and diplomat, we have already started talking about the appointment of rustem umirov and the importance of this appointment. at the current stage, and the possibilities of the new minister of defense of ukraine in international contacts

, because in principle, the future of the armed forces of ukraine is now considered precisely in the context of a large and wide support from of the international coalition and e-e is growing in the mayor - he said that one of the tasks that the president and in general are setting before him is the expansion of the international coalition, what does mr. pavla mean is that ukraine should go beyond rammstein and in general create a coalition much larger than rammstein currently has, i.e. more than 40 or 50 members, but please note that rammstein includes not only western countries, but there are also american ones, there may be other coalitions, but rammstein or what will happen after rammstein will remain the cardinal body

of our support of weapons, our logistical support and many other things, but for us to expand the circle of countries that work with us, the circle of companies that work with us, the circle of companies that are ready to joint production to joint development are ready to build e.e. the joint defense security sector, these are all very, very important stories, so here it is not only about the number of countries sitting at the rammstein table - this is a story that is, of course, much broader and i really want to see such a personal drive and of personal success in this, ah, the minister of defense - this is about everything today, about everything that concerns our eh, our armed forces, not

only about providing them with everything necessary and of course, it is very important that there is such a perception as we had around the ministry of defense so that our friends and not quite friends wrote in various western publications that different people were removed because there were various cases of corruption . and it is very important for us that now, when the new political season begins, now that the war has been going on for more than a year and a half, when the signs of that begin, and of course our

friends also have those signs, and this is not a story of loss of sympathy. this is simply a psychological story when people are they see it for a year and a half and somehow they get used to it, because it's normal, it's also a difficult story if some such corruption stories will explode around it, it's not just a problem , it's a challenge for us, er, russia will definitely use the full ones and saying well, you see what they are here for, what are they for in general, support, well, it’s better to calm down and keep working, and this will also be imposed on election campaigns in the eu , especially the states, so there is no right to make mistakes, but i am sure that mr. rustema will come out editing the results of

ukraine’s counteroffensive today nato secretary general jens stoltenberg said that the ukrainians are again and again exceeding expectations for the future. today, stoltenberg spoke before the european parliament. what stoltenberg said, we will hear more about at some point in history. we saw more mines on the battlefield than today in ukraine, so it was obvious that it would be extremely difficult , but the ukrainians are doing successes may not be as strong as we hoped, but they advance gradually by several hundred meters a day, that is, when the ukrainians advance, the russians lose ground and you must remember the starting point the point is that the russian army was the second strongest army in the world and now the russian army is the second strongest in ukraine, that is, yesterday anthony binken said that he was satisfied with the counteroffensive in ukraine today, jens stolpenberg, will this put an end to mr. pavlo in these from

the discussions that very often appear on the pages of the western press, where unnamed sources in the pentagon, unnamed sources in the cia, and unnamed sources in the state department express some kind of disappointment with ukrainians or these are the dots of hope that we place and at quite an expensive price, no , but we don't need it. i think that we really need this conversation, and thanks to this conversation, we can bring this whole discussion back to us, because last year, and i remember it, and you do you remember this? someone said, well, these ukrainians are cool, but they're cool in kherson, of course, they 're incredible in russia

. they're a mess, they're clever , they got lucky somewhere. but i communicate with those whom i respect and the fact that we are making real progress against this line, which was considered by many to be so real that it cannot even be crossed; and weapons and ammunition, uh, i think this story is even more unique. no, if you want it to be many times more unique than last year, and

that’s what they say, uh, actually, military experts, germans, australians, who i know, and we don’t need to hide our heads like ostriches talk about this day for a really long time but we have a gradual progress look i don't see it as an excuse at all i see the point of saying look what happened last year and what we are doing against these lines which as some military , as emphasized by mr. serhiy, experts believed that their in general, they are some irresistible and what progress is there to change it only in meters, yes, this is our land, we have to act in meters, no, but i think that we should not somehow justify saying yes for a long time, but this is generally a formula that gets me, what is it that i

with some disgust if you want to treat her, i think on the contrary, we should say yes , russia with its potential, with its nuclear power and with its dictatorship, with its vertical system, you are blowing up heads, and both conventionally and literally, as we see you in recent russian history, it is all the same is retreating and this is what it really has if you want to force people to believe in us, to believe in the armed forces , to believe in the country, to believe in those who rule the country, this is a unique story, let's stop this whining, pay attention and making excuses is some kind of subconscious inferiority complex that is there and let's discuss and we have enough progress is not enough and let's finally give the ninth to each other and get rid of this complex

when we constantly make excuses, we have to conduct this discussion because indirectly from this military aid depends on it. the atmosphere of our discussion with friends depends on it. they also need to show that ukraine is a success story. but nevertheless , they put an end to everything and moved on. let's stop with these endless excuses. of course, of course, ukraine and the ukrainians count on more help from nato countries, and especially in that part when it comes to the e-e hitting of russian e-e quadcopter drones on the territory of e-e countries of the north atlantic alliance, because on the night of september 4, one of the strike drones of which

were launched by the russians in the near-port area on the danube and izyum and where , ishmael, did not land on their bank, that is, on the other side of the danube bank, and often fell on the territory or at least on the territory of the participating countries of the north atlantic alliance, then drones, then missiles, and each time there were. there was some kind of explanation from the point of view of the security of not only the countries of the north atlantic alliance, but also our territories that are near these territories, or could nato do more

? well, for example, more air defense to put it already on the danube in romania in order to protect not only its territory but also ours, well then it is better to put this ppu in ukraine so that they don't fly and this is quite logical , do you remember the discussion about the no-fly zone which we led last year and it was very emotional, so of course nato could have done a little more, but we also have to understand and there should be an honest discussion in our society regarding the fact that nato also has allies in the red line that we managed to move this the supply of weapons. i remember there in the first days of the week in germany, when you remember helmets and when there was talk of some automatic weapons, they generally grabbed each other, then

the tank consortium arose. and i remember this story very well, because then there was the tank coalition and then we talk about me in the 16th coalition, many other things, but nato has a position and it is for now . i emphasize that for now we do not know what will happen next, there are various scenarios, but for now it is a fixed red line and it concerns what nato does not want to show anya politically, neither militarily, nor legally, that the alliance, like nato, is in a state of direct or indirect conflict with russia, because they believe that it can lead to an unforeseen escalation, and if this happens, they will say again, so we are watching them