[000:00:00;00] i'm a guy, but i remember this story very well because you and then the tank coalition and then we talk about the f16 coalition and many other things , but nato has a position and that's for now. that this is an immovable red line and it refers to the fact that nato does not want to show either politically or militarily or legally that the alliance, like nato, is in a state of direct or indirect conflict with russia, because they believe that this can lead, like dominoes, to unforeseen escalation and if such will they will

speak again. so we are watching, they will confidentially a-a in moscow transmit on their channels what they want to say again, wish different obscene words eh and so on and so on but how are they following me article e-e will not be used because the fifth article provides really absolutely deliberately deliberately. so why don't they do it, they don't use article 4, and these are consultations , extraordinary special consultations when one of the allies believes that there is a threat to their security , e-e. such a mechanism is all the same do not want to use my ends, including other countries , in order not to get involved in nato at all, they now, of course, provide us with many things through nato, but the weapons are provided through the bilateral mechanisms of the allies, they do not

want to give, including the opportunity to skalat, his passport to putin so that he did not disperse his helpless propaganda that it is actually nato fighting against russia and that it would not be such a source of energy for further er-e nationalistic settings, although it is already difficult to say what kind of energy is needed there at today's level of ukrainian imperial derangement, but nato's position is like that, so i think that there is no need to demand any political statements from nato. they still won't help us. well , you and i will listen with talking. well, for now , we're nodding our heads . well, what's next? it will work and it should be a constant discussion 24/7 i believe that in general in

the future, even before the entry into neet , and this can be an element of all negotiations regarding obligations regarding our security, although not guarantees, there should be some common know the formats, it is possible to have a joint command. well, it would be cool if a part of the black sea command was somewhere in romania, or whether it was in istanbul, i don’t care, or part of it is in odesa, and there are some tensions there, the generals together with us would be responsible for the defense of our black sea space, this is an example, i’m telling the truth such examples can be outlined and they are discussed at the political level and at the military level, of course, so here is such a way out so that we do not deal with endless poltava and build answers, as for me, such an answer let it be concrete

the best is when too much keeps this immovable red line that the alliance is in no way in a state of conflict with russia, again i emphasize that for now, by the way, we have an infographic where we showed cases of violation of the airspace of third countries by the russians, this information was collected by our colleagues from the slovo project and business and we put it on the infographic, so let's look at one march 13 romania orlan-10 drone landing july 21 bulgaria a pantsir s1 missile thrown ashore moldova october 10 violation of airspace october 31 moldova fall of missile fragments 15

november poland, the fall of a missile that killed two people, december 5th, moldova, the fall of fragments of an s300 missile, poland, december 16, the fall of an x-55 missile and the 23rd year , february 10, moldova and romania, violation of the airspace by caliber missiles, and romania, september 4, the fall continues toning chess drones, er, you, mr. pavla, are talking about the fact that ukraine could take advantage of this situation and get involved in the solution of the issue, which is very relevant for us, the protection of the grain corridor in the black sea basin, because both romania and bulgaria and turkey are members of the north atlantic alliance and e-e considering these cases that are not entering the war with russia e-e the countries of the north atlantic alliance could join in the creation or e-e preservation

of this corridor in your opinion as far as it is probable considering that that putin continues to blackmail her erdoğan and the whole world with grain and his piratical behavior in the black sea is unfortunately unlikely for the time being, since this requires additional power that jordan must pass through the straits and is yes the so-called monteo convention, and so far jordan is not letting in new russian warships, but also the nato navy, that is, he is trying to keep the balance, as they say, and ours . i think that the best option would be a nato mission or a yesev mission, there is a village mission so that there is not especially everyone falling on their heads for hearts and in moscow, but

they will still be grabbed but , nevertheless , there is still no political will for this . to say that he still controls the black sea. since we have shown with our underwater and surface and air and combined drone strikes that he no longer has complete control, this is geopolitical, there is a political defeat, a change in circumstances. he really likes to talk about the black sea, to mention everyone there, from peter the great and further and further and the history when the safety of shipping is no longer determined by russia usually strikes and

causes a reaction, and it is also critically important for him to ensure the sale of his land and to gain political positions for him withdraw the russian state bank from swift, cancel the restrictions on transport insurance services, and putin perfectly understands the broad in 7-10 people naftogaz, in general, energy resources play such a role, well, they simply will not play, and in this zashmorg energy energy weapons will no longer work, he wants to build a new strategic weapon a this is food, uh, as a result of the green revolution, less will be needed. but people will still eat , and many people, and putin understands perfectly well.

a piece of bread is a story that the country has at the mental level, at the level of habits , at the level of traditions, and he wants to throw a punch in relation to food if the energy does not work, that is , he will continue to hit this story, and for him it is much more than just export grains from ukraine, he is fighting for the fact that, once again, he had opportunities for blackmail, and therefore i am categorically against getting down and making concessions, there may be some difficult compromises, but to do so that the sanctions regime is diluted is to let the genie out of the bottle and in this way, russia will begin to break economically with isolation , which does not work perfectly, the fana move did not work at all. in other words, this is a story with very high stakes, but regarding

the isolation that you mentioned on september 4 in sochi , rejecto and pardogan met with vladimir putin. there were many questions between the government regarding the grain corridor, they have not agreed on anything yet, but from what putin and erdogan said that the trade turnover between the two countries will grow today from 68 billion dollars a year and they want to bring it to 100 the russians are building two nuclear power plants for the turks, and as erdoğan says, russia was and remains almost the number one partner for turkey, in particular, including tourists . there will be exceptions to the rules and exceptions to sanctions. well, every state takes care

of its citizens and its economy and takes care of its needs, but in this situation, when india buys russian oil, when brazil buys diesel fuel from russia when turkey, with the help of the russians, builds nuclear power plants, when they want to launch a new gas flow through turkey, is it possible in this way, is it possible to strangle this monster called putin 's russia, this kind of thing is not possible. you answered this question yourself and now in many reality cases, they, as you said, became the rules and what actually needs to be fundamentally changed is that putin didn’t just feel the pressure and for him to feel

that this could break macarena, the economic backbone of russia, it is not to impose certain sanctions and for a very long time so that the pain thresholds of the event are not passed and it is necessary to prohibit all trade in general except for some humanitarian supplies and say now we will issue permits for any possible trade with russia and we will not, on the contrary , issue permits for how to leave and do exceptions from exceptions and this is absolutely valid logic , which absolutely, as you perfectly understand, does not work, and the second thing that really wears my brain is that the west sees how many options there are for circumventing sanctions, he

knows everything, you don't need to be cool for this intelligence agents they are known, they are in turkey, they are in the gulf countries and india, china and other asian countries, central asian countries, the caucasus, where they are not, and russia invents dozens of them every day. but most of them can of course be tracked without problems , but the west does not want to raise the stakes. he has his own interests, he will continue to buy russian metals or there indirectly, russian fertilizers, indirectly, oil refining products from india. where are they going? they are not only going to africa, they are going to the west and balance the oil market, therefore, this system is sanctioned. it allows putin to be kept under control, but under this control, he is not mined, and this system

, until the west has raised rates, and he does not want to do it, will not work today for tomorrow. and yes, it is effective. yes, it is effective, but it is effective and effective on medium-term perspective. and you and i do not have any medium-term perspective and we pay for it, that is, today the sanctions system is not effective in the short term and we have it very frankly and honestly. it is tough if you want to to talk and discuss with our friends and force them to cheat, that is to cheat, this is the best verb of the country, all the others there are of the third world

. well, it was possible to invade turkey earlier, but someone said there was an earthquake. and we need to talk to them about the acceptance of finland, sweden, nato and something else asia-e caucasus and that's how it always is. you have something on the agenda that then successively destroys politics and this politics. e-e perceives it as the eastern gate in front of this great russian influx, this is the expression eastern gate, the title of the book eastern gate of europe serhiy plokhia well, this is, in my opinion, a very accurate definition that e-e, in principle, the west is calm when this eastern gate stands somewhere on the border of the russian

state and ukrainian states and ukrainians are defending the eastern gate by receiving western weapons. do you agree with this statement? no, i do not agree, unfortunately, there are some people in the west and politicians in business. well, just people. since we are talking about people who understood that as the poles once said, our safety is yours without bread, so our safety is your safety, they understand that this is a story and about their safety, but not everyone understood this and we need to work on it further, as i said, there is still fatigue and habit and distraction on another problem. and someone on africa looks at these endless coups there and says that we will have

a wave of emigration there. about what is called there in the words of mr. serhii there , the eastern gate or the fronts or whatever it is, it has partially entered, but far from everyone, and when everyone will understand that this is actually part of their world, their western world, and without it, there is no way and here is the story of the musketeers one for all and all for one, it continues, indeed, there is a unique progress in this since the 14th year and especially since february of last year, but far from everyone understood this and not everyone understands us as a frontier and what protects them protects

their way of life i.e. leave this job you can't leave these conversations, you can't, you can't assume that by definition everyone perfectly understood that there is no way without ukraine. look how libya and the right-wing are growing in european countries , especially the right-wing. look how in germany the right-wing party is an alternative of 20%, and in some federal states i but i watched the survey , my friends gave me an estimate of 28% in saxony, for example. they are already the first party number one, and this does not mean that it is about ukraine and people. they pay attention to emigration to the economy, but nevertheless there are processes that are very, very such that we should be worried, that's why we believe that western support is guaranteed to us, guaranteed, not limited, guaranteed at

such a level, and that everything will be just fine without us . i think that this is irresponsible, that's why we have to work as before, that's why visits are important , visits of the leadership of ukraine are important, communication is important and not public communication and civil society. that is, everyone who can should work further if we think that we have explained how cool we are and that is not always the case. unfortunately, it does not work about supporting ukraine and during the visit to kyiv the secretary of state of the united states of america anthony blinken spoke, let's listen to what he said, we are focused together with our partners on two things, first of all, in the near future, to provide ukraine with everything it needs

, for a successful counteroffensive and the purpose of the visit is to listen very carefully to ukrainian partners in order to understand what exactly is needed at this moment but at the same time, it is important for us and our partner that we build the ukrainian armed forces of the future so that ukraine can defend itself against future aggressions, now there are 29 of the countries that supported the jaysoven declaration in building the forces of the future of ukraine, and this is the initial question. i think that in the next few months we will understand better what we stand for and we want him to understand later. here he will not be able to survive ukraine, he will not be able to survive the ukrainian defenders , his last words are beautiful won't be able to survive ukraine and won't be able to survive ukrainian defenders , well, god let it be so. but it is clear that our partners are also looking at

how ukraine is developing, not only the armed forces a and e of ukraine, how does electronic declaration work in our country, is it open or not closed, how do oligarchs like kolomoiskyi sit in a pre-trial detention center or not ? well, it is obvious that all these things are connected, and the fact that today is yet another suspicion ihor kolomoisky during anthony blinkin's visit, and he actually got into the army hut just before anthony blinkin 's visit, well, it's probably not a coincidence either, because in the united states of america, the fbi is conducting an investigation into money laundering by kolomoisky and his partners in cleveland, where they invested money in real estate eh, how much according to you is the internal temperature that will be maintained in ukraine, what will happen to the internal life of ukraine, how much will it affect everything that anthony blinke declared, that we

will develop the armed forces of ukraine, that we will make forces, the armed forces of the future, that is these are some amendments that are not accepted regarding the opening of electronic declarations well, these are such childish mistakes , but they are made deliberately and our partners also probably see that the ukrainian authorities are simply is cunning when he does not want to open electronic declarations and says that they will do it in a year. i will only do one for attention, mr. serhiy, and it is important those who are preparing suspicions . this is clearly history, but let's not connect it to the visits of our friends, although they are indeed our main allies, without whom we cannot

move forward, because ukraine is for us and we must make it the future of ukraine , of course it cannot be the previous one was before the war, and i think we all agree with this, it cannot be based on the same principles, in principle, on the same social contract, the same constitution, well, everything, and we will not be able to move as you are in nato , remaining what we were before war, but we do it for ourselves and not there for blinkin, no matter how much we respect him there, the story with the declarations well, i understand the security considerations, and indeed many have relatives, have some property in the occupied territories, and this is

a matter of human security but you can always to find a way out because now there is society's desire to know what is happening and how it is happening, there is society's desire for justice, we know how all these corruption stories explode like bombs and just say that let's just be what we ukrainians are, people who strive for freedom and justice that we we have to see that everyone who works for the sake of ukraine and everyone chooses their own place, they are honest people who are free who do not violate the principles of justice and we need to find a solution here, it is not because

blinken arrived and says, let's open the declaration, well, this is a story, it's also for me, i don't know, worth less , anything. i'm not talking about someone there specifically. in some social , political, business sense, i'm talking about the whole society and we need to find a solution now, we need to find a solution so that society sees that there is no violation of the key fundamental principles of our struggle and our existence and therefore, the discovery is important, there is a public request for this request, there should be an answer , what should it be?

this is their story, this is the story of those who work there. and we have to work like us , like ukraine, and in the end show that uh, well, when we join the eu, she and, well, we will not set an example in everything, but none the less we are not some junior partners who will be shown where to go and where to turn, go and sit in this story. i don't like it at all, but i agree with you 101%. especially since there was a petition on the official website of the president demanding not to sign this bill, to open electronic declarations and more than 70,000 literally in a day, they collected this, in my opinion, a record in my memory. that is, there is a limit of 25,000. well, 70,000 the fact that i looked at statistics of more than

70,000 per day, that is, the demand in society is large enough, well, finally, about a large we will remember the 20th, because the g20 is being prepared, the summit of the g20 is being prepared, and china is preparing. according to bloomberg, he softened his position in favor of agreeing to the communique of the g20 summit , primarily in matters related to the conflict in ukraine, according to the information of the source of the news agency, at the moment , the communique of the website of someone will include a statement about only russia and india do not support ukraine , while bloomberg does not specify exactly which provisions on the conflict in ukraine will be included in the final comic summit, but what do you think? can the top twenty say something about ukraine because we are not officially invited there, i mean our president is not virtual, not offline

, of course it would be cool if our president could address or even be there in person this is an important story and well no have reached they have not reached a catastrophe here there is no er the chinese are really growing irritation with regard to putin and the russian regime there , it is not that they are ready to abandon them they have a fundamental interest in keeping them through resources through support in the rivalry with states, but they are getting more and more of them, i can tell you that yesterday i had a very interesting conversation with a very respectable representative of japan, and he said, you understand

, in principle, we feel that china is changing its attitude towards russia how once imperial japan began to change its attitude towards nazi germany, there was already such a union of german germany, japan , italy, and in fact the japanese did not like that they were abandoned, they were not consulted, they did not say what would happen, that is, they said but not completely just as the chinese tell me what putin said. but if not exactly that, not exactly about that. yes, and many other irritations, but it is important for us that the chinese will not be pro-ukrainian, but they will at some point , we have to end the conversation. excuse me as always, at the end, the regulations simply require

completing the program, thank you, thank you for the document, thank you, mr. pavla , yes, bye, good health, it was a program, the verdict was also brought by serhiy rudenko. goodbye. greetings , iryna taraniuk and today we say that anthony blinken demonstrated that he is an ally with the adversary by staying overnight in a country that is fighting the tatars of the united states. blinky saw with his own eyes the effectiveness of western weapons on the second day of his visit to ukraine. during this visit, washington announced a new aid package worth more than a billion dollars in the kremlin immediately expressed indignation at the presence in this package of tank shells with depleted uranium, what is special about them and why did they frighten the russians so much , an unprecedented step for a high-