[000:00:00;00] and i think for the whole world, therefore, this is an objective fact. and the fact that there is a lot of opposition to china, china also sees and understands everything, and china, of course, understands well what putin is talking about, that the west itself is to blame for this war. what is this? it is nonsense that russia is completely in the city of rivne without any reason, which seemed that it could occupy kyiv there in three days, and in two weeks if ukraine decided to destroy ukraine as a state and the people of ukraine, actually, as a people, that is why there is this problem and this the whole world sees the problem, it's another matter that western countries objectively see it

highlight and take an objective position in support of ukraine, and ask china started very cautiously and very well that now it is going from sums er- e more to a real real real vision from a mirror situation of what is happening in europe in connection with russian aggression against ukraine, it is necessary to remember that somewhere, at some stage, in its peace proposals, china still declared that it really supports the integrity of all countries. well, what does ukraine mean, and what does the phrase "supporting tatiana's values" mean, it means that it condemns aggression russia's condemnation of the occupation of russia if we speak in a diplomatic language and er-e consultation that ukraine should be restored in its international liberation borders, which, by the way

, was also recognized by china in 1992. by the way, i held negotiations with another ukrainian diplomat about the establishment of diplomatic relations between ukraine and china, and i remember this situation, and just then china fully supported the territorial integrity of ukraine within the borders of 1991 oleksandr, but today we also mentioned the secretary general of nato, among other things, he spoke about what was said about the successes according to jesus, about the fact that ukrainian military expectations are exceeded, but also what was said about romania, that nato does not see signs that the drones on the territory of romania were a directed attack on the country, and going back step by step, we talked yesterday about that the authorities of romania in the first days generally denied the fact of the fall of russian drones on their territory . then what are these statements of the secretary general of the alliance about and who are they for? i think that the nato alliance should take

more of such a position. i would say objectively , again, the position on this issue because uh the naked eye can see that if nato avoids a situation in which it would be possible to state that russia goes beyond the scope of the war with ukraine in its war and now its missiles are already affecting the territory of nato countries well, if this happens, it should think over article five, the super-possibility of its implementation began with oleksandr. thank you for joining the

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congratulations friends we are on our air for once they talked about the movie 20 days in mariupol finally you can watch it already i think some of you have already watched the most common feedback about this movie is that it is very difficult to watch but i want to watch it to the end and then even rewatch i heard that and now we will talk to the creators of this tapes with mstislav chernov with yevhen olenetka and first congratulations. let's start with the oscar , because she always has some kind of oscar passion, we always want to win the oscar , then we can't do it. navalny or someone else, oh, what did you say to mstislav? do you want to apply like this, that is, i understand correctly that you have such plans to apply for the best documentary category. yes, there are

categories for the best documentary film . but er, not much was released this year, and it er surprised us, there are not many large documentaries about ukraine, and i believe that it is absolutely necessary to represent both ukraine and the topic of ukraine now on the island er, it will not be from ukraine, submission to that that from state press - this is the united states, maybe it's for the better. do you think it's because we haven't learned how to promote films yet ? i understand correctly, and for oscars , it's not only the quality of the film that's important . oscar's company is such a great resource, it's always a lot of trips, a lot of acquaintances, and a lot of attention

should be paid to the presentation of the film on the international stage, i can't say whether we or we succeed or not, ukrainian cinema has already announced about ukrainian wine in the world e movie e already has good ones always has good chances at the oscars it gets noticed that's why i just think that it's just necessary this is our film it falls into the e-e only in the category of documentary films because it is made in english for a foreign audience pbs froline is an american studio documentary yasushitel press is an american company, so we are going yes, but i hope that in the category of the best international film, uh, ukrainian cinema will also be there, we will see it on us, usually scandals

happen around this, but i want both of you to ask, you say that there is little in ukrainian, especially documentaries , do you think so, what do you think, it is really necessary to shoot documentaries, not feature films, and what to do with feature films, because there are a lot of opinions about the film buch, which is stage of post-production, and now there is such a small scandal surrounding the series iurik, it is about mariupol, and residents of mariupol who survived the occupation say that the authors portrayed it wrongly and that they showed their life in a much more rosy way under occupation, do you really think that now is not the time for a game movie? it is about a full-scale repetition. is it still possible to do it? watch a game movie and a documentary film. these are different media and different topics require different media. something can be told. some stories can only be told through documentary. some topics can be told.

it is possible to tell only literature has its own themes e for art cinema and i think it is important anyway it is important to do it it is important it is important to do it ethically correctly speaking to the audience and so on and so on but this it needs to be done precisely because er mariupol and in general er russian invasion of ukraine er needs a constant information presence from the point of view of the ukrainian point of view . it does not exist in the information space, it is being filled, if it is not filled by ukrainian cinema, it will be filled by russian propaganda, no one wants this, you think the same, agree well, i think what you

said was scandals. yes, i think that the same goes for ukrainians you should always unite and work on making a high-quality product and presenting it to the world. yes, there it is, mstislav's film is a good example of how to unite around an idea, make ideas and go no matter what, don't get angry , don't make any glass k and sewers, but continue, what do you do? daventam or years ago, we still continue it, we still continue to do it at one point and when you you go, you can break this wall and break through it and show that it's all possible and that ukrainians

can make films and can present . and you feel that with your film you have filled some kind of information vacuum that existed before the full-scale invasion, because you really have a film that, uh, i'm watching it very much there are many reviews if you look at the platform and like imdba, everything else. well, i think you've seen it. it's very positive reviews, high ratings, at the same time , it's hard to watch a movie, it's all somehow combined , because of what it causes, such an emotion arises that it's difficult for people, but it's also interesting at the same time, because there is actually not enough information. well, it is not that information reaches people everywhere, but full -fledged information, information with the context of history

, is not enough. such a great story that grabs you for at least 90 minutes and won't let you go. they are needed . right now is the right time for such stories, and the whole secret is in this. well, the history of mariupol is unique. mariupol is a symbol for ukrainians and for the international audience, it is a symbol of the true face of the russian invasion of ukraine . and it is a symbol of resistance, a symbol of will and hope

, that is, it is the history of mariupol. there is hope, despite all the pain we see , there is always hope. when you filmed this tape, uh, you expected it to be a film , because, after all, journalistic work is different from cinematic work, now i i hear a lot from cinematographers such opinions as journalists say now they went to documentary and they say it is not very good for all of us, but what is the fundamental difference when you are journalists shooting and when you calculate that it will be a documentary about documentarians, this is exactly possible to say that they are not enough in time , let's say so because there are very painful topics that need to be talked about right now and

told directly without artistic applications because especially if we talk about topics , we openly talk about topics of potential war crimes about murders, what topics are acute in the context of russian fake news propaganda, and for them it is the style of presentation, such reportage, direct, artless , it is important so that additional questions do not arise, or maybe it was a staging, maybe it was there, uh, not what actually happened and so on, depending on the topic that we are talking about, what is the film about, and

you need to choose a style for this topic, i want to ask you about the filming itself , in what way? red lines, where to go, where not to go, what is ethical, what is not ethical . i think that sometimes it is very individual , we have arguments, tell me what were the possible uh situations during filming when you just put the camera there and did not shoot, or was there such a thing that you at all in this situation, they considered yevgeny , tell me, let's start with you, so tell us roughly so that we can orient ourselves, what you could not film already , you know, so that we, uh, could not film, we wanted to film a lot, but when people are under great stress, they are aggressive

they try to see a journalist and they pounce on you. well, it’s not like there are forests on you, because you become a trigger , you’re a person with a camera, and they start, ah, don’t attack the camera. and it’s just to reset your energy and take some time to start filming, and you had to talk to people, relax them, so that this energy went down, negative, and then get a camera there and start filming something, because it happened so often in these situations when people didn’t know what not to do they know what will happen in a minute, in a second, and they see their children who can't help themselves. and there's nothing to feed

them, they don't have to give a glass of water and so on. it was really difficult, yes, we were, but we were in the same conditions, but that is, there was no situation when you thought that it was already a match , you need to shoot or shoot everything, then the editors together with you, when it is at all possible to talk to the editor, you decide what can be done be published what too er say graphics we because it's too difficult for the viewer, but so, what's interesting? in general, the media space and what international snakes have been publishing in the last

year and a half has changed much more . it seems that this is precisely because the number of a-a crimes of the military she simply crossed all er-er all all possible borders and er-e mass media began to show finally began to show everything and this is the first second when you edit the film you have everything only 30 hours and that's not enough, we had 30 hours and you need to create a 90-minute film and at the same time show everything as it is and at the same time not push the viewer away with the amount of blood and suffering because we are dumb, our psyche

is dumb when it sees a lot of suffering and that's why not to sanitize as we say and at the same time show everything as it is this balance it was difficult to find it but i believe that we found it correctly because the film won the audience prize for the award at other festivals, which means that we did our job you did the right thing for me i i remember your discussion cinematographers on the dovka, where are they when they showed it? it seems that it was shown for the first time in ukraine, then it was difficult, you talked about it, i am already afraid to lie about something, but it seems that you talked about it when you were preparing it, you talked with your colleagues, sew up the press and they wanted everything to happen, as you said manipulation, but not in a crude sense. and for it to be there without music, for you not to express any of your emotions in any way, this is a happy

relationship. tell them what they wanted at the very beginning, what it means without documentary , without manipulation, and maybe you somehow forced them reconsider your views a little, no one was against the music. but again, since russia tried many times to declare that these shootings were fake, one of the principle positions was not to add anything that wasn't there to documentaries, there are, er, modern documentaries are uh, it's also allowed, uh, the tool when the director works with foley, and that's what we call it, that is, it can amplify some sounds with the help of sounds that were not in the film, add an explosion, the sound of explosions, and so on. and all this is not in our film

precisely because uh -e had to be specified so as it was me at all, what am i here for, the press is such a rule , no manipulations with the sound, no manipulations, uh, with the picture, and this and this is actually very difficult, because when you collect a documentary film, when you make a story that needs to be told and also interesting yes, it is necessary to keep together, er, to know that you cannot not present any elements or add anything, this is such a challenge, eh, it is not easy, but it seems to me that we did or were your colleagues against the very beginning that you are telling the story from myself and sufficiently personalized. that is, you are not the one who is not excluded. no, i was against us. i did everything to prevent this from happening, and we recorded many people. we found many people with yevhen, we traveled with

vasilisa, we found people who survived in mariupol. we, like me, took pictures of them . i took pictures of them. filmed. that is, we found people who are in the film who survived and interviewed them, and at first i thought that this is exactly how the film would look, but then we realized that we want the viewer to leave these 20 days, to stay there for those 20 days. 20's the other day we were closed in such a feeling of claustrophobia, we wanted to bring the viewer into this feeling, that's why we decided not to go out and not to use these interviews, and then this perspective of the story appeared, the perspective of the journalist who tells, but still it's just a perspective that helps to connect the story is not the story of journalists yevhen appears in

the frame sometimes i appear there sometimes in the frame, but this story is not about us, and we have already shot it all like this yes, well, we just work like this so that no one don't climb if you're working so we don't bump into each other, sometimes it's getting in the way of the forest i'm in the frame oh, and you, then you're looking right at the photo yes, you're in the forest, and then you ran me over on video and that's them there well, that's how we learned so that we are there we try not to disturb each other yes, and we almost have the effect of presence like photographs and not being reflected in the mirror like that sometimes we stand there next to each other so as not to disturb the other and we say our movements forward there i ran forward there or is there a run back there that's why we are almost gone nowhere, even if they wanted to, it still seems that it was a very important

element, but i talked with people in the audience. which is really because it is considered so among documentarians that, well, at least among ours , it is very much so. i won't be able to synchronistically write people there. it's not cool at all. but in your case, it turned out to be very cool and effective . one more factor right there. if it's true, there is a trend in documentary filmmaking, not only in ukrainian but also internationally. to be present in the film if you are not part of the story you are telling, it is called something else, we call it an extract of jonatalism, when you greet someone, you come somewhere, you film the story of people, and ah yevhen is from berdyansk, near mariupol , i am from kharkiv, we worked in mariupol for a very long time, there are so many of our friends , so much of us

of this big family, this is also our history, that's why we could be a part of history, if it was somewhere in another country, it wouldn't be like that, but since we are also part of this society , our history is the history of this society our e-e our e-e effort to write down the history of our country, this is also part of the history of this country, you bastard, my legs can't walk anymore, i'm suffocating wait, i'll get to the point that there is no health but what kind of health is there for our ten, i thought so until now haven't tried herovital herovital plus titovi tamin complex that takes care of the heart and strengthens the body herovital plus good health - active life ukraine-england on megogo in the selection for

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