[000:00:00;00] a truck of bread has already gone and i won it at the auction, it went for uah 75,000 , just the lighter. what are ukrainians not coming up with to help our military? ukrainer how are we going to collect millions this saturday at 11:10 a.m. the war is going on and not only for territories , it is also a war for umy russia is throwing millions of petrodollars to turn ukrainians into little russians ukraine will become russia dissection and analysis of information about ukraine by russian propagandists specific facts and methods by which enemy propaganda turns people into obedient zombies old people plan to vote out residents of the ldr opposition

to russian information attacks in the project of the chronicle of the information war with olga laziness tuesday thursday friday at 17:10 on the tv channel espresso mykola veresen vitaly portnikov and the main topics of the week if it is used against ukraine god forbid really tactical nuclear weapons will definitely change the world stories problems analysis and personalities john gerbs, the former ambassador to the united states in ukraine, is waiting for us. thanks for the invitation, you have questions, you will get answers , so the question is waiting, how to deal with portnikov, september, what fridays at 21:15 for

espresso. the shipping district of kherson is included live, we are in the middle of nowhere, we tell you the main thing on weekdays at 9:00 a.m. with you vitaly portnikov and we will discuss the main events of this week vitaly portnikov and top experts about the brightest events for the last seven days, our guest will be the generator of companion forces, the former national security adviser to the president of the united states, donald trump, herbert mcmaster, we will cut out current topics, pressing questions , authoritative comments and forecasts in the project , an informational marathon with vitaly portnikov every sunday at 20:10 on espresso, this is the 23rd separate striletsky battalion of the armed forces now we were already in such a significant salient, and actually at the very edge of this salient we are holding the defense, the battalion has wedged itself into the defense of the orks

in donetsk region and is holding positions right now the military needs our help, the fighters need drones to conduct reconnaissance and destroy the enemy even on the approach , we take a drone every drone is the loss of the enemy and the saved life of our soldier , join the gathering, we will show our fighters that we are with them, remind us who filmed it, and this is one of the most famous photos of a father sitting over the body of his dead son, these currents were yevhen's filming, tell me how to do it in general, because on the set, i remember the film . i watched it in my mind somewhere a few months ago, it seems. then you stand in the room where the father and son are. how is it? well, i don't even know. well, it's technically correct to do it so that it is filmed and that everything is as ethical as possible so as not to violate the boundaries of this situation. well, i think that this is provided,

you know, you'll learn... not that this is a mechanic, but some kind of feeling, hmm, when you can do it sometimes yes, so that you do not have additional aggression that is already there and that pain and what do people feel and that strong a-a that we see there in the photo and video it's really not easy and it doesn't always work out like that it is and we will guess for ourselves that and it is luck and so on, but uh, this situation can be , and serhii can uh, really, because he also allowed us to do it, because it is if we can't just enter such a space without permission, well,

it 's impossible. two more people yevhen takes a photo i shoot a video we are both present in the room and uh two cameras not even one two cameras this is another s- are doctors another plus other patients others two friends a-and whose son was killed they were also there they were pulled out for a second and the door opened and serhii entered he saw and he ran and put it and he understood that that's all. although he brought him in a car , we just witnessed how i hear the signal. and the car drives up, how the trunk opens, and the bodies of ilya artem are taken out from there, and then they brought back another day, that's three

guys who uh whose cluster munition was it uh that broke off on the football field when they were playing well, i understand that this was one of the most difficult moments when they were filming or were there any of you there, it was not just there, you can say it is so and there is something what well, it is clear what from 30 minutes, a lot of things didn't make it in. and what didn't make it in, not because it didn't hit there , because you watched it and realized that it could n't be shown for some reason. the story we were telling was from several other departments of the hospital, there was a work with the red cross that we really wanted to show, but it was just that according to the plot

, it just didn't work out. of course , if it's a movie, it should have a story arc in it. and something simple i can't log in because it doesn't work. there were moments when, well, we filmed , for example, the bodies of children who were unable to be saved by the doctors, but at this very moment, the viewer had already seen so much that well, it simply cannot be shown anymore because it's distracting and distracts from the story. that's why it's a lot of work and in fact a good editor helps me. i was helped by the editor pvs frontaine michelle, the master, we

edited everything together with her. and here's her perspective, she also helps to find the right moment. was it with you? there is one episode in the film. what kind of episode do we have? well, in such fairly narrow journalistic circles, they discussed the episode when you show the mass graves, when these bodies are assembled, and you ask the man who does it, what do you feel about us? this question is very debatable among journalists, so that's why that some people really like this question because it is usually very possible to get an emotional answer to it and maybe people feel some kind of involvement that they are interested in their feelings and other colleagues of ours wish that this is one of the most incorrect questions, you should never ask such a question in your life, and full stop, you think this is a good question, you can explain why it is appropriate and correct, first of all, you see

that the film is not suspended, so it is without ee a-a let's say yes without without judgments without uh, some kind of emotional uh, uh, i don't try to convey my emotions to the audience, but uh , it's still an emotional film, and it seems to me that it's right to be interested in people's feelings , because we, as journalists, as documentarians, we run somewhere, shoot something and er when we we are not interested in anything more than just what happened, it is for people, well, it is unpleasant for me those who do not want to answer. in general, they do not answer, but i do not remember that anyone

in my entire career of conflict journalism did not answer this the question is about people, whether it was iraq, syria, or ukraine, nagorno-karabakh, to people everywhere, especially to those who are under stress, i can’t say it’s nice, but it’s necessary to share. if they’ve already started talking on camera, then they need to share and the worst thing is to know that in such a situation that everything to everyone but i've been in such situations, when you're under terrible stress or you're almost dead , and when someone is interested in how you feel, it supports you. you know that people don't care . and i just want to show people that i don't

care. things, you are probably in the minority, but your position is well-argued. it seems to me that i am now putting myself in the place of a person. some kind of thing probably worries me because i am a colleague . for example, i have a colleague, the editor-in-chief of babel, yevhen spirin. he dealt with bodies in buch, he got a job in the morgue and and there to him they asked this question and he wrote a whole post saying that this question cannot be asked, but it is such a debatable thing , you know, i also liked how you say it incorrectly in your film, you fight against russian propaganda, and i feel that you did not have such the goals of the very beginning, you rather do what is journalism, show the truth , a very similar story in iron butterflies is in another movie there about mh17, i don’t know if you watched a similar technique there when they show

russian news and then show others well shots where it is clear that these russian news are lying, and you also have when you show russian uh, well , it is probably difficult to call them journalists, propagandists who claim that everything in the maternity hospital was staged , and we see all these shots and understand this whole scheme by how does russian propaganda work , can you explain the tools of this display of disinformation, false propaganda, so that it does not look like counter-propaganda, not like, uh , some kind of answer, not like a dialogue with propagandists, but precisely like journalism you just said this right now, this is not a dialogue . and we should not respond or try to fight propaganda. we will just do our

work and the film. this is exactly the tool for such and such work, because when you give people from see how propaganda works, it gives many versions and people lose perspective in these versions and we live in an era of not enough information, but if you give people enough to the text as it is possible to do in the film, then it will be easier for them to take action against these are wrong interpretations of the events that they see, but yevhen

pushed the same thing with the photos he took, it’s the same well, we just it spilled, uh, first on me, then on all of us , because the first photo became popular. strips on those newspapers that are still in print, and yes, there are not so many of them left now, but when they all came out at once from one photo on the front cover, we realized that it was a photo of irina kalinin, a pregnant woman on a stretcher which then died so and this kak

if this wave was directed against that, yes, uh, fake news , there to discredit the photographer, yes, how did he do it, and i was called different things , yes, an information terrorist, from mrs. zakharova , and so on, yes, well, everyone remembered me there . and everyone is well-known, but if the main thing is not to give up and so on and just keep doing yes, i don’t know how difficult it would be to prove something and to whom to prove it yes, well , how would we do our work yes, here we show and how it is yes, and then us. we

were also checked there and so on. well, they showed what we still have so that it doesn't happen, but i think we have done enough so that the world understands what is going on. yes, and this work of ours has shown. yes , you were there and you were made very high by our work. what about you, i don't know, you probably don't count the number of these events abroad that you take your film to, there must be q-day communication with the audience, communication with the press , i am even more interested in communication with the audience, ah, there are a lot of stories from your colleagues who drove somewhere there and bumped into each other with some wild ideas about our country from different people and felt this vacuum of information about ukraine, of course, tell me if it is possible for you to have some question from

the audience that you met very often or some remark and how you can feel that exactly your film was able to change in the perception of ukraine by these viewers who before watching the film thought one thing and after watching uh, this vacuum was filled in them, i will say about the movie yevhen travels with photo exhibitions, this is also such an important uh important part uh most often and this is good, the question that is most often heard is how to help, it is so simple, but how to help. tell us. well, now we want to help, but here is how ah and i think that actually part of our work is not our work, but our work as a ukrainian society should to be here to help the international community understand how to help

. it's simple, but it's secondly important . it seems to me that finally people who watched the film understood the scale because the scale of suffering, the scale of destruction and the intensity of the war is hard to convey in the news. when you watch the news for one, two or three minutes even every day, then you live your normal life and that's normal . you don't understand how difficult everything is, you don't understand how much everything is happening at the same time and how urgent this issue of simple survival is for ukrainians. it seems that the film just helps people to understand that every minute, every minute, someone in ukraine dies , civilian soldiers die every minute, russian troops attack ukraine and kill themselves

, they kill our people, and this is the understanding it comes just when people watch more than just a minute of news and there were some pro-russian viewers or people with , well, let's say sentiments, sympathies for the russians, which were some comments not often, but there are comments and it's also interesting to watch because i don't even have to answer on them, arguments start in the audience, but there are comments, they mostly go according to the russian negative , which says something like, it's all very difficult , ukrainians usually die, but it's all their fault, because if not too if not

not their aggressive behavior, or the ukrainians, then russia should not have done this, that is, there is such an excuse. they see what the russians did to mariupol, they can't say that it didn't happen , that's why they say that it's your own fault, so such a comment was necessary usually i hear but there are not many of them, this means that they are perceived as a rule, arguments begin, answers begin, uh, again, i, as an international journalist , cannot include uh, and say , how can you say that, uh, i was there, no, i always i answer calmly. i always answer in a reasoned way, but as a rule , people who have already formed their own point of view do not change it yevgeny about exhibitions, so tell me what you are there. well, it is really difficult because the photograph is mostly alone and it is mute. yes, but

it is worth it there in thousands of words yes, and there is one photo, it was really remembered by many. yes, it is about iryna kalinin and well, in principle, the whole series is from mariupol, that's why the people of mariupol looked at all the photos, and i'm not talking about the world because it's hard to imagine in principle, how many people in the world looked at what happened to mariupol, but they looked and it really is, uh, everyone watched it. well, how about those photos that are still in front of people's eyes, and we know this, and people in russia watched it, they watched it like this just so that they don't all say they looked at these photos and uh, these photos up to 6

for each that's for sure the fact that people somehow saw it there was inside and what effect does it have practical, what do you think, they saw something, felt something, and what the result of this could be , sometimes i thought that photography is not such a powerful tool as video. i did, but then i realized that when you show uh-uh in the regime of such a crisis as in ukraine, because everyone is watching and these and these moments from the war are imprinted

, and not very long, for centuries. will remember a about the course of events. yes, how is the coronavirus in the world and so on. yes, we will take historical questions as the last ones. so far, there is no way , but when in russian society there will be a need for arguments to stop this war, this will be one of the arguments, these materials this film, these photos taken by yevhen, these photos, who shoot videos, who shoot all the journalists now on the front line, uh, and uh, in ukraine, this will all be an argument sooner or later that russian society, when it

will be ready for this doubt, will have tools in order to base this doubt on something , i hope that it will be so. well, i think that it is possible. well, if they could conjure up any example, yes, it doesn't matter, and promote it, yes, on television and so on. well, we have seen many such e- of similar scenarios. yes, when it can be done, but for now these photos are used in other countries to incite people. we want the opposite, so that people see. they promote it, interpret it in their own words, so that they set fire to fire more and throw firewood into it, they are rich

, and we have the last question, you have people from mariupol in the film, who are a little pro-russian or something, and they don’t really know where they are flying from, so there aren’t many of them, i was hoping to see more, but there aren’t many of them but they are still there and we have a discussion about whether it is possible to show such people, especially abroad, this is cultural diplomacy. but i would like to ask if there were people among foreigners who noticed such characters and how they reacted to them, because we react even with the knowledge of some contexts, people don't know what it is, or if there were any interesting reactions to that, and the reaction is usually and why do they say that? they don't understand what's going on . this is the first reaction.

film of trust. we set ourselves the task of showing the entire range of reactions on camera to journalists on the situation and all points of view, and there were pro-russian people in mariupol. the director did not give them the voice is the first, the second, in general, this is mariupol, it is such a phenomenon, it was not just on the blog, it was under an information siege, and it is for the future, uh, we call it some kind of stage . that is, this is an example of how the information blockade affects psychology people and people who are in an innovative information

siege , they panic, they believe everything they hear, they don't know what's true and what's not, and by showing such people, we also illustrate the effect of the information siege of mariupol, thank you very much i congratulate the russians on september 6 the troops fired s-300 missiles at the central market of the city of kostyantynivka, donetsk region, as a result, 17 people died and 32 civilians were injured, it's as usual here, at first the russians were happy on social networks that they had a good shot, and then they started saying that it was not water , and here you have to understand what happened in kostyantynivka the russians hit often and a little every month in march-april, may, july

, such blows were directed either to places where humanitarian aid was issued or to housing when several people died at once, including children, but this case took the most victims also quite recently there were russian strikes on a restaurant in kramatorska and a cafe in pokrovsk, and in pokrovsk they hit this place where they hit once, they hit a special second when rescue operations were already underway, that is, about half an hour after they began, a lot of rescuers died. now, after this attack, they have such a technique, they tell you that this is a ukrainian provocation, and it is specially for blinky, this is the main idea that is attracted on literally all tv channels, such an attack on konstantinovka

dedicated to the sacrifice of offerings to blinkino's visit, the message of these washington gods what is happening today in the background of blinken's visit, for example, in the background of blinken's visit to konstantinovka, this is what is happening, i will not show you the footage of the aftermath of this because it is precisely so that these footage of the aftermath will roll everywhere and this and arranged those who arranged it to us as an object is absolutely not news, moreover, they and not only they are there quite actively on the air explaining that it is correct there is a concentration of ukrainian forces there or there are some soldiers the most the regional version of this is this delusion that was actually spoken there 3-4 days ago when they show you the attacks on shopping centers - this is not a civilian object, i

declare to you with full responsibility that today the rates of advisers from nato have been moved to all shopping centers, do you think where is the residence of the most of a guest in a hotel located in the center of kyiv, the rus hotel, where plans for death are drawn, and yes, literally yesterday, for example, exactly like that, absolutely yes, well, without hiding and without being ashamed, the russians also told absolutely in all broadcasts how they will destroy the city of avdiivka completely . we are there, even though there is not one surrendered. it is not even possible to strengthen there. even if it doesn't matter, what's the difference between using an audio device and