[000:00:00;00] actually blocking this, the organizer of the united and one more in order to disperse heads of the security council approximately once a year, when russia starts to vote, well, to actually vote - this is what the state members of the european security council members constantly believe. what to do with it, but no one there you know, we proposed ukraine proposed there is real effective pro-khanism that was launched by the ukrainian side, it is necessary to understand once again that the government's word entered as the state founder of the united

nations organization, the soviet union of russia, you never it was together with russia and the soviet union in the state e-e in the organization of the united nations when ukraine takes its place in the organization of the united nations of the medical successor of the ukrainian soviet socialist republic of russia and russia got there by accident e-e on the basis of a letter e yeltsin, we have the secretariat of the united nations about the fact that consider the vote of the soviet union transferred to the russian federation, well, actually speaking, there is no procedure that the russian federation is a member

of the united nations no well, you can see about this and keep silent about the cops in the statute of the united nations, father. based on this, ukrainian lawyers proposed not in the e-e about this , including the e-e regarding the exclusion of the russian federation, which illegally occupies the place of the e-e of the soviet union on the security council of the united nations organization, it is definitely a complicated process of the united nations organization, it is at least necessary to make a decision at the general assembly , then there by a third of the votes for such serious changes, uh, it is not so easy. because in the interests of each state there to support or not to support the resolution, therefore, our partners used the wide format of the real organization of the united

nations to play the security game only excludes the russian federation within the framework of land operations, especially africa, latin america, that is, asia, because if look, the complexities are gone, and one of them today is clearly out of proportion, and in this way, if we, the world community decided to introduce the production of leaders of state leaders and american

cabinet or the russian states, it will be, however, such work is not done unilaterally , we absolutely agree that this is a long process that needs special attention. yes, let's move on, mr. pavla, let 's move from new york to washington, because the usa will provide ukraine with shells with modified uranium. washington may announce this in the near future, journalists write that they will be included in the next package of military aid, which will cost from 240 to 375 million dollars, depending on what will be included, it is currently unknown what, in addition to the shells , the usa plans to transfer to ukraine, mr. pavly , there are many myths about these shells with depleted murano, which are also very actively used by the enemy propaganda, give them now we will blow it up

. please tell me in more detail what kind of weapon it is. well, there is indeed a desire for the released gate, it is purely very simple, there are armor-piercing shells, that is, they are tank shells that break tank armor, and they are divided by weight, the main thing now is who cares projectiles are needed when the projectile contains two charges of the supreme substance that burn, and 20 charges, the first charge penetrates the armor, and the second one should already weigh or in the engine compartment inside, well, in this way, five destructive goosebumps, what exactly is against them, by the way , yes spring horse on e-e soviet on ukrainian projectiles it is built on a european cane actually it was once in ancient times when brody breaks through

marked by the force of impact e-e kinetic energy in an iron bulgarian that hits an enemy object fortune teller in a car well then such kinetic projectiles, now in the course of evolution, they have turned into a song. in fact, it is such a whistle made of very strong and uh, strong and hard metal uh, which, well , it penetrates in a small area, it is difficult to understand, mr. pavlov . that is, it can be. this is an effective weapon. that's right, let's just summarize it.

that dynamic armor doesn't work against it, but for penetration you can see such cleaning it must be very good, so either tungsten is used or now in most countries they are used with poor ones. waste from the production of kuran water, where the radioactive part of the metal is actually radioactive. it all goes to the nuclear power plant, but the ore that remains , it does not contain radioactive parts, it is melted from it, says that it is so strong , very well, of course, cores for shells

of the unemployed uranus actually, they are made of this metal and they will make it clear that they actually have no impact on the environment, but the word uranium, which is present in the name of these , often causes manipulation, it is confusing, just enriched, cheers, not depleted, we understand let's get back to us. actually, i wanted to talk in the context of the general dynamics of support for armed support of ukraine. let's add oleg the forest political scientist to our conversation. congratulations, mr. oleg. i congratulate you . actually, in the previous broadcast, i drew attention to what is currently happening in the west , in particular, in the united states recently, more and more such alarming signals have been heard from the states of a-a. we remember how the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, dmytro kuleba, said that at the diplomatic a-a level

, autumn may be difficult or will be to try to put pressure on ukraine , in particular, to bring it to the negotiating table. also, we hear statements from the candidates for the presidency of the united states, in particular from the republican party , the idea of ​​limiting military aid in order to end this war, as they say , but they do not say. on what conditions in general, these to what extent should the signals cause this anxiety ? we are being forced to negotiate not only by our partners in quotes, i consider that they are being forced, but even now it is a negotiation connotation, it is creeping towards us from every crack - it is turkey and china and whoever wants us in one way or another because we have started

to communicate with russia to make peace, to stop the war, because it, you see, is not profitable for everyone, and in the economic sense. therefore , we must take this into account and be ready for options when everything will depend on us, and i am sure that in the same united states, we all- we will still receive support, it is clear that now a paradox has occurred, we once dreamed of not talking about ukraine without ukraine, but now ukraine is being talked about everywhere, and now in many countries it means ukraine is the topic that is used in the pre-election or election campaign, and this is a vivid example of the combination of the states already there in poland, it is still used somewhere in slovakia, the word ukraine, weapon , war exists everywhere, and this could be gratifying if it were not for the reason for which we are addressed and why we

are mentioned, i believe that the united states by and large, we should consider this war as our own, because russia and a very large number of its satellites and simply hidden sympathizers believe that the war is not between ukraine and russia, but between russia and the west, therefore the west, in the form of the united states, must win and this the victory is clear, it will not only be ukrainian, it will be all about civilized education, so i hope that this rhetoric, which is characteristic of politicians, is all the more so that the candidate who spoke about because there was simply no trump, trump definitely surpassed him, but the question is that he has very low support there, however, the rhetoric of politics is always so aggressive when it is in the dust of the struggle, as they say, but in fact there are

geopolitical goals and i think that they will dominate political ambitions in general p olezhe there is such a dynamic on let 's say that not even an escalation but a warming of relations between well at least a request for a warming of relations between the united states and russia that can threaten let's say military to the support of the united states, please just summarize everything you said, i think that consultations are taking place and they have always taken place and the american side of the alley still thinks that there are no levers in russia at the present moment that would suppress the desire to help ukraine after all and if we are not even talking about the desire to help ukraine

, about some events that formally do not depend on ukraine. shaheds of russia, shaheds of iran, let's call them yes , mr. pavly, do you think that this will cause some kind of reaction from romania, because so far it is not that reserved, it is so very distant, you know, among our neighbors, nato partners, there is obviously a certain a closed consensus in order not to escalate the conflict because they are happening eh i will remind you a few months ago in poland when they found eh missile kh-55 the russian dad of the warhead of the nuclear charge you will understand it is not even some

missile projectile it is because of the patriot by a missile with nuclear warheads flew over half of the territory of poland , well, the warhead turned out to be a training warhead, what are the results, since the main thing is that the national security of poland is not threatened, our actions , public neighbors say the same, when they have had adventures with russian missiles and russian cruise missiles fly into their territory, then the romanians try to pretend that nothing happened. well, unfortunately, such a position

exists, but our partners do not understand or not they want to understand that it is russia that will test them, in fact, russia will test it on the mm breaking through the defense of the diplomatic defense of the north atlantic route so that where it feels a weakness there it will continue to be carried out, how long will russia be able to try to break through and what should happen in the countries of the european union and the nato countries so that they begin to react to this threat as it should do. the alliance will disappoint you. russia can test as much as it wants and will test it if i when i completely agree that it is internal consensus er consensus looks like an ostrich that hides its head in the sand and thinks that all

parts of its body will not be harmed by anyone because it simply does not see danger, it is a consensus er it is clear but you know there is one thing but which worries me a lot there is a fifth article of nato, which all the partners show off, they say that everything is clearly spelled out, and so on . and so on. and she is gradually checking whether this article really can in what sense is at least the fourth article applicable where should consultations begin without this moment and this is not the case polish case showed he has already repeated the polish casebook eh but everyone there pretended that there is an investigation going on and i don't know

can a colleague tell me what the consequences of this investigation were, or whether it is still ongoing, which is not clear, but this story did not actually end with a conscious answer, in particular towards the russian federation. you see, you answered the question for yourself because russia will test you and the story will be silenced and i honestly don't know what we should do russia we even want to simulate because it must be something very scary and unambiguous in relation to nato responded i want ukraine nato, there is no harm, that’s why these eyes are so uh imperceptible or notice noticeable bites, they will constantly increase in quantitative terms, i absolutely agree with you, oleg , and in fact, uh, let’s put it this way, such reactions actually once again emphasize the conclusion what did all ukrainians, in particular, and our military-political leadership, that

we should rely on ourselves in the first place , we understand that for these security guarantees , the best guarantee can be the ukrainian military-military-industrial complex and the ability to strike at those military objects on the territory of russia, where the dead ukrainians came from, in particular, sometimes even flying over our borders over our western neighbors, enemy drones, for example, fly in. however, ukraine is moving in this direction, and in particular, the dynamics of attacks on the territory on the part of russia, let's say so friendly forces to ukraine. yes, not all attacks are so far officially recognized as attacks by our special services. let's talk about this . let's talk about this dynamic . the russians are afraid of drones. new fortification barriers made of flooded colors are being built around the crimean bridge. but will

this become a serious obstacle for the defense forces of ukraine? tires are flammable , and they would be difficult to put out, what is the logic. in general, i don’t know how they can protect the plane at the airfield , to be honest, the whole world knows who putin is, and maybe the russian pilots decided it in such a way that the satellite could be seen covered with putin’s airplanes of the rubber-technical family are, of course, a joke . but seriously, go protect yourself from drones or missiles by laying out some tires on the planes. these are hardly

papers, in fact, beatings, er, it’s a rifle. millions of shelters for airplanes, so instead of making such a level, they put partitions with such protection, such a result will be. well, i don’t know, the only thing is that the dictatorship will be changed there, the image is a fiction , well, obviously, i’m so from soviet times that the military and we have an idea about the passing team do something in a day or two

, the answer well, what is he doing? we did the tasks , we understood. instructed to produce systems of anti-aircraft e-e air defense around the clock. this is the e-e response of the e-e russian military leadership to attacks on e-e military airfields. in general, this tactic is interesting. it was chosen by the defense forces, because we understand that these planes are launched from the sky ukraine also has the same rockets that are used against peaceful ukrainians, in particular, what do you think, mr. olezhe? in general, those attacks that have become more frequent, let’s say such attacks in the center of russia and on the occupied crimean peninsula, we hmm, as if we are moving some kind of phantom red lines that putin drew at one time. of course, all these red lines were probably after one of the drones flew to

the kremlin tower. however, let's say whether this will lead to any certain internal political processes , that is precisely the understanding among the presumably different political elites or citizens of russia that everyone has after each of these attacks, in particular , in the middle of the russian capital, they understand that it is necessary to protect at least simply, as in maslow's pyramid, safety comes first, that is, even this basic, er, basic condition let's put it this way, the level of these needs is not protected by the current military and political leadership. you know, listening to you , i regretted that there was no beauty, because he would now shout that the sky will cover him, but nobody can shout and i am with you, you know. i agree with the russians that with this pyramid, everything is a bit different with them, everything is through one place, and here it is even more so, look at these attacks, they must be divided into those that are

psychological in nature and those that are military in nature, for example, when we have criticize the cotton suburbs of this wrong, because the russians must realize that the war is not far away, it is already here, and they unleashed this war and there must be consequences, although when i told you that the pyramid does not quite work for the russians, i remember sociology or polls even on the streets of moscow, they even they are happy when they see uavs flying in the city and so on . and they are happy with it so far because they do not see any threat or maybe they are just used to living in such a situation when exactly when even in order to win the upcoming presidential election the president or the current president blows up houses in peaceful places, maybe it is so, they have such psychological protection, but the fact that

the military component is that they are still forced and you quoted shoigu, they are forced to withdraw certain means of air defense e there maybe not from the front or from other areas russia, unfortunately for the russians, in this situation is very big and neither shayga nor god will be able to close the sky, so they will be forced and they can't produce either, it's not a slingshot or a bow that can be made every night 150 pieces no it's not high technologies are also needed and this is all done not in one month or two, but the question is that the sky over russia is closed, this will be the most important problem for er and putin for his clique, because this territory can be attacked by anyone from the territory of russia, as our friends there showed us forces as you said, they will continue to attack, they know the area well, they know the territory well , and this is a very serious challenge, and there will come a time when

the russians will be forced to withdraw air defense from the line, at least from the second line, because from some already, that is, from the territory where war uh large-scale therefore, these actions are pragmatic, they are convenient for everyone, that is, there are red lines drawn by putin, there are red lines drawn for us by our partners, but this nameless , addressless piece of cotton suits everyone except the russians, in fact, everyday russians are also satisfied here, because they you know, they play along with us. well, because of their stupidity, they don't admit a lot of things , and this is to our advantage, and it's very cool, but they don't admit it burned down, uh, it's a fact that happened, but we don't like it, it didn't happen, it didn't happen.

let's continue about the work of russian air defense a little in a different context, because i am the work of a-a is one of the possible versions of the plane crash of the business jet yevgeny prigozhina of the author’s domain and it is interesting in this context to ask if prigozhina was removed , will russian elites and russian famous figures be afraid at all after that any speeches against the dictator, i am sure because they will be afraid to fly on airplanes because it is dangerous. and one more thing, putin himself doesn't fly anywhere anymore , he doesn't fly at all, probably he is also afraid of his air defense. it seems that they live separately with life and er shoots into the sky whenever you want. what you see flies, you have to shoot down the elites of the elites. for now, if they are serious, they swallowed

it, they made their own conclusions, but hmm , let's say that effectiveness or some serious steps in the near future, i do not predict that elections are ahead. putin to them will tighten the nuts quite seriously, er, there are actually few rioters, and even half-riots are already in prison, some have already arrived last summer. in principle, she, er, you know, she is st. petersburg , logically, they are a gateway to st. petersburg, because at their core, like the russian people, they tolerated and they will wait for someone to do something for them and or if someone there competently targets them. i mean the defense from its time had the experience of the destruction of the soviet union , the recruitment of representatives of the elites and so on , but in the sense that we can predict or want that the elites

will rise up, that they will depose putin , maybe this will happen, but not now, that's why i always answer this question very simply : putin has only one enemy, the black swan. the black swan is a series of events that cannot be predicted , so we hope, we hope for the black swan in fact, in fact, you are. let's say that we want to have more stable guarantees. let's say that the final will be exactly as we expect. maybe we'll talk about it later . however, if you mentioned the beautiful woman , it's really interesting. candidacy for the post of president there , although in a complementary form. let's say this is how he described his political program in relation to vladimir putin. however, in general, this group of support for wagner can be seen as met in belgorod, for example, the wagnerites, and there there was support from the population in fact who can choose this fan base for themselves or i think that it is like this, let's say the mass yes, such

a percentage is still there whether it is big or small, we can still discuss however , well, to someone they definitely have to move let's say so and so who wants who will be able to pick them up well, i think that first of all, if we take it in the context of the elections, then no one is interested in this question , because there i will draw how many are drawn, eh, i could pick them up bitterly but in this environment, not everyone supports the holes for those who supported for example, beauty, they had their own different views, that's why i believe that this environment is very saturated with the fsb agency that uses the methods invented by the swiss guards - this is the saturation of their agency and the introduction of discord in these in this environment , therefore, most of such radicals are under their control and sing as it is necessary, that is, it is possible that some work for one tower of the kremlin, others for another, and i believe that there is currently no

such backbone that could turn it into a single political force that could compete with putin's competition no. in fact, girkin sang songs from the butsegarna. well, to be honest, it seems strange to me, isn’t it lenin who sat there once a long time ago, er, where you could send letters in a strange way and so on, and here, after all, the territory under the control of control over everything, everything that can be here, you see, a person wanted to become president in such a situation , you know, he is also being played, maybe he will channel part of this electorate and pull him over. maybe some other pathetic position will appear. this one the card will not play anyway, will the ministry of defense be able to pull over and take