[000:00:00;00] evgeny takes a photo. i take a video. we are both present in the room, and there are two cameras, not even one. two cameras. these are the doctors and other patients. two friends , whose son they killed , they will also be there. for a second and the door opened and serhii saw and he ran in and put it on and he understood that everything was there although he brought him by car we just witnessed how i heard the car's signal as it drove up as the trunk opened and from there

they took out the bodies of ilya artem and then brought more one of david is three boys. what was it? it was a cluster munition that exploded on the football field. when they were playing. well , i understand that this was one of the most difficult moments when they were filming . were there any of you there ? something what well, it is clear that from 30 minutes, a lot of things were not included. and what was not included was not because it did not hit there , because you looked and understood that it cannot be shown for some reason, there was no such thing , there were such things that were simply not part of the story we were telling several other departments of doctors and hospitals had a work with the red cross that we really wanted to show, but it’s just that according to the plot

, it just didn’t work out. of course, if it’s a movie, where it has to be , there should be a story arc and something, i just can’t to log in because it doesn't work, there were moments when, well, we filmed, for example, the bodies of children who were unable to be saved by the doctors, but at this very moment, the viewer had already seen so much that well, we simply can't show it anymore because it's distracting distracts from the story therefore, it is a lot of work and in fact a good editor helps here. i was helped by the pvs frontline editor michael mystery, we

edited everything together with her. and here is her perspective, she also helps to find the right moment. you had one episode in the film. what in the well, in such fairly narrow journalistic circles, we discussed the episode when you show the mass graves, when these bodies are assembled, and you ask the man who does it, what do you feel about us? this is a question for journalists. very debatable, yes, because some people really like this question, because it is usually very possible to get an emotional answer to it, and maybe people feel some kind of involvement, because they are interested in their feelings, yes, and other colleagues of ours believe that this is one of the most incorrect questions, that such a thing should never be done in life to ask and period, do you think that this is a good question, you can explain why it is appropriate and correct, first of all, you see

that the film is not suspended eh yes it is without eh let's say yes without without judgments without eh i don't try to convey my emotions to the audience, but it's still an emotional film and it seems to me that it's right to be interested in people's feelings because we, as journalists, as documentarians , run somewhere to shoot something and when we're not we are interested in nothing more than just what happened, it is for people, well, it is unpleasant for me those who do not want to answer. in general, they do not answer, but i do not remember that anyone

in my entire career of conflict journalism did not answer this question it was from people iraq, syria, ukraine, nagorno-karabakh, people everywhere, especially those who are under stress, ah, i can't say it's nice, but it's necessary to share. if they've already started talking on camera, then they need to share and the worst thing. in such a situation, it's knowing that everyone doesn't care. i've been in situations like this. so when you're under terrible stress or you're almost dead and someone cares about how you feel, it supports you. you know that people don't care and i just want to show people that i don't care, by the way, you

probably in the minority, but your position argumentative i think that i am now putting myself in the place of a person who is experiencing something like this, probably because i am a colleague . for example, i have colleagues as the chief editor of babel or yevhen spirin, he dealt with bodies in buch, he got a job in the morgue, and there he was asked this question, and he wrote a whole post saying that, well, this question cannot be asked, but it's such a debatable thing , you know, i also liked how you say it incorrectly in your film, you are fighting against russian propaganda, and i feel that you there was no such goal from the very beginning. and you rather do what is journalism, show the truth, a very similar story in iron butterflies is in another movie there about mh17. i don’t know if you have watched a similar technique when they show russian news and then show other

frames where it is clear that these russian news are lying, and you also have, when you show russian, uh, well , it’s probably hard to call them journalists, propagandists who claim that everything in the maternity hospital was staged and we see all these shots and understand all this the scheme according to which russian propaganda works, can you explain the tools of this display of disinformation, false propaganda, so that it does not look like counter-propaganda, not like some kind of answer, not like a dialogue with propagandists, but precisely like journalism, well , you just now said this, it is not a dialogue. we should not respond or try to fight propaganda we will just do

our work and the film is just a tool for such and such work because when you give people from see how propaganda works, it gives many versions and people lose perspective in these versions and we live in an age of information misinformation, misinterpretation, let's say false interpretation, but if you give people enough text, as it is possible to do in a film, then it will be easier for them to act against this incorrect interpretation of the events they see, but yevhen pushed the same with the photos that

he was shooting the same thing well, we just it spilled out, first on me, then on all of us, because the first photos became popular. yes, and the photos, that’s the first photo that was reproduced on almost all the front pages. on those newspapers that are still in print and yes, there are not so many of them left now, but when they all appeared at once from one photo on the front cover a-a we realized that this is a photo of irina kalinin er-e woman of a pregnant woman on a stretcher whose father died

then she died as well, if this wave was directed against it, yes, uh, fake news, there was discrediting the photographer, yes, how did he do it, and i was called different things, yes, an information terrorist, from mrs. zakharova, and so on, yes, there, well, me everyone mentioned it, but everyone is famous, but if the main thing is not to give up and so on, and just keep doing it, i don’t know how difficult it would be to prove something, and to whom to prove it, how would we do our work?

they showed us how they are, then we were checked there and they continued to show us what we still have so that it wouldn't happen, but i think we did enough so that the world understood what was happening. was made very high yes there , i want to ask about different festivals different events because you, i don't know, you probably don't already count the number of these events abroad , where do you take your film, there must be q-9 communication with the audience, communication with the press , i am even more interested in communication with the audience, ah, there are a lot of stories from your colleagues who went somewhere there and came across some wild ideas about our country from different people and felt this vacuum of information about ukraine, of course, tell me if it is possible for you to have any question from

the audience that you met very often or some kind of response and how you can feel that exactly your film was able to change the perception of ukraine by these viewers who before watching the film thought one thing and after watching a-and in them this vacuum was filled, i will say about the film yevhen travels with photo exhibitions this is also such an important important part most often and this is good most often the question which sounds like how to help, it's so simple, but how to help. tell us. well, we want to help now, but here's how i think that actually part of our work is not our work, but our work as a ukrainian society should be exactly

to help the international community understand how to help. it's simple, but it's important. secondly, i think that finally people who watched the film understood the scale, because the scale of suffering , the scale of destruction and the intensity of war. every day it's you and then you live your normal life and that's normal you don't understand how difficult everything is, you don't understand how much everything is happening at the same time and how acute it is just a matter of survival stands for ukrainians is i think that the film just helps people to understand that every minute every minute someone in ukraine dies civilian military every minute russian troops attack ukraine and kill er

kill our people er this understanding comes just when people watch more than just a minute of news, and there were some pro-russian viewers or people with, well, let's say sentiments, sympathies for the russians, which were some comments not often, but there are comments and it's also interesting to watch because i don't even need to answer them, arguments start in the audience, but there are comments, they mostly go according to the russian negative, which says something like it's all very difficult, ukrainians usually die, but it's all their fault, because if it wasn't too much if b no, not their aggressive behavior, or the ukrainians. then russia should not have done

this, that is, there is such an excuse. they see what the russians did to mariupol, they cannot say that this did not happen , that's why they say that you are to blame. i usually hear comments, but there are not many of them, and how they are perceived by the audience as a rule , arguments begin, answers begin, uh, again, i, as an international journalist , cannot include uh, and you say, how can you say that, uh, i was there no, i always answer calmly. i always answer reasonedly, but as a rule, people who have already formed their point of view do not change it about exhibitions, so tell me . what are you there? well, it is really difficult, because the photograph

is mostly alone and it is silent. yes, but it is worth thousands of words. yes, there and there, there is one photo, it was really remembered by many. yes, there is about iryna kalinin and well, in principle, the whole series is from mariupol, that's why the people of mariupol looked at all the photos, and i'm not talking about the world because it's hard to imagine how many people in the world actually looked at what happened to mariupol, but they looked and it's real . everyone looked. as long as not everyone said. they looked at these photos and these photos. up to 6 to each. that's for sure. well, what about those people who were interested in what's happening in

ukraine? i think maybe not all of them, but they definitely looked, and it's a really important fact that people one way or another they even saw what was inside . and what effect does it have? what do you think? did they see and feel something and what could be the result ? i sometimes thought that photography is not as powerful a tool as video. i was also involved in video and i did a lot, but then i realized that when you show uh-uh in the mode of such a crisis as in ukraine , because everyone is watching this and these moments from the war, they are imprinted for a very long time

, for centuries. for some period and for the time being, people will remember and about these events. yes, there is a coronavirus in the world and so on, we will take historical questions as the last ones. yes, there is no way for now, but when , when, in russian society, there will be a need for arguments to stop this war it one of the arguments will be these materials, this film, these photos taken by evgeny, these photos, which are filming videos, which are being filmed by all the journalists now on the front line, and in ukraine, this will all be an argument sooner or later that russian society, as when it

will be ready before this doubt, he had the tools to base this doubt on something , so i hope that it will be so. yes, but i think that it is possible. well, if they could conjure up any example, yes, it does not matter, and promote it, yes, on television and so on, we saw well, there are many similar ones of scenarios yes, when it can be done, but for now these photos are used in other countries to incite, we want the opposite, so that people see yes what well, how about more specific photos, yes, not to promote the war, but to prevent it from happening, but sometimes it turns out the other way around, because they promote and interpret in their own words, so they set fire more and throw firewood into it, the rich, and i have one last question

: you have people from mariupol in the film, who are a little pro-russian or something, they don’t really know where they are flying from, so there aren’t many of them, i hoped to see more, but there aren’t many of them but they still exist and we have a discussion about whether it is possible to show such people, especially from abroad. and this is a form of cultural diplomacy. but i would like to ask if there were people among foreigners who noticed such characters and how they reacted to them because we are already reacting with knowledge of some contexts, people don't know what it is, were there any interesting reactions to it, and the reaction is usually and why do they say that? they don't understand what's happening . this is the first reaction, the second reaction. it's good that it's

in the film because it gives the film trust us set themselves the task of showing the full spectrum of reactions on camera to journalists on the situation and all points of view, and there were pro-russian people in mariupol, they were not the majority, but they were, and no one can say that we not i, as a director, did not give them a voice, this is the first, second, uh, in general , mariupol is such a phenomenon, he was not just on the blog, but he was under an information siege, and this is uh, for the future, uh, we call it some kind of stage , that is this is an example of how the information blockade affects the psychology of people and people

who are under an information siege, they panic, they believe everything they hear, they don't know what's true and what's not, and by showing such people, we also illustrate the effect of the information siege of mariupol, thank you , listen to your fm galicia and so on ukraine on megogo at the legendary san siro stadium, our national team will impress the italian audience with a bright

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the enemy, we take infantry on the approach, every drone is the loss of the enemy and the saved life of our soldier , join the gathering, we will show our fighters that we are close to with them, we are looking for twelve-year-old sviatoslav the wolf from the heniche district of the kherson region. this territory was occupied almost in the first days of the full-scale invasion, but communication with sviatoslav was cut off in february 23 and in fact, nothing is known about the fate of the child for six months. i really hope that thanks to your care, the boy will be found . look at the photo and remember his face. svyatoslav looks like he is 12 years old . he is of average build and has blond hair. about his possible whereabouts, do not delay and dial the short

number of the magnolia child search service from any mobile operator 116,000 calls are free if suddenly there is no possibility call write chatbot child tracing services in telegram, this is only one story of a missing child in general since the beginning of the war. we received almost 3,000 requests for help in tracing, fortunately, most of the children have already been found, but the fate of many remains unknown, especially this applies to temporarily occupied territories where the work of the police is practically paralyzed, from where it is impossible to leave but there are communication problems , everyone can help find the missing children, take a minute of your time and go to the website of the magnolia children's search service, here you can view all the photos of the missing, who knows, maybe you will recognize someone and eventually help to find them, look at the photo, this is 12-year -old herman virchenko, the boy lived in the luhansk region in

the city of svatove, which was also occupied in may 22nd, the connection with this boy was lost six months ago february 27 and during all this time there was no news about the child , that is why i hope for your help. attention to the photo herman looks 12-13 years old , he has blond hair and is of average stature. if suddenly someone knows where he can be a child, do not delay but call us on the hotline at the short number 116 000 from any ukrainian mobile operator, the calls are free, i also want to remind you that the search for 15-year-old ilya polishchuk from mariupol is still ongoing, imagine the fate of this boy, nothing is known since the beginning of a full-scale search war, contact with me was lost on february 24, and no one knows where he may be now, so i am appealing to everyone who sees me now, and especially to the residents of mariupol, who may be watching this

program on social networks, take a close look at photo of the boy, he looks 14-15 years old, he has light blond hair and dark eyes, if anyone has seen the boy or knows where he might be, do not delay now and call us on the hotline of the magnolia children's search service at the short number 116:30 calls from any which ukrainian mobile operator is free. if there is no way to call, write to the chat bot of the child search service in telegram, any information is important , and i will ask for just a minute of your attention . this is nine-year-old nikita nikolaev from misterubizhne in luhansk oblast, this settlement has been occupied since may of last year, but nikita was missing already in may of this year, and in fact nothing has been known about the fate of the child for more than three months , so i really hope that thanks to your concern, the boy will be found, please take a close look

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with stop-and-go - ua friday, 7 in the morning, the 562nd day of full-scale war between russia and ukraine began , news on espresso, angelika works in the studio a little before the situation in the ukrainian regions, at night the russians again attacked the south of our country in odesa, air defense was working, in particular, the head of the regional military administration reported a threat to the izmaly belgorod-dniester and odesa districts , and in the morning there was a lot of noise in sumy, there the defenders of the sky were also working on enemy targets, informing the military administration, why was the message from the air force about the missile danger to the region preceded by the consequences of yet another terror of muscovites is currently