[000:00:00;00] blitzkrieg we understood that the blitzkrieg failed and there was a lot of feeling. who gave these predictions, god, oh, sikorsky, oh, radoslav, but he said that only we, only you, will succeed in killing 10,000 russians and burning a thousand of their tanks, they, they, they will wither. there will be too many losses but they behaved like a total war, they raised the stakes because for them this is a remote war, we did not take this into account at the time and it was normal at that moment to make a mistake in the end, but but it is normal to admit mistakes and not say that it is someone else a some people should have said how about me, well, you know, it was very normal with kebabs. well, i was wrong. well, i can explain to you why , for example, just such things. they restore trust, but the question is that maybe someone thinks that these people are not worth it, these people are not important to me. their opinion, their confidants, it doesn't matter, you, in principle, i will never look good in the eyes of the elderly, okay , it may be. it may be so. well, the question is simply that

these people will have to be unimportant. for example, what is, what is, for example, the ethereal essence of the nation, relatively speaking, this is what constitutes, in principle, the meanings for which people fight, people die at the front not just there for democracy, freedom, they die for some meanings, for some values, and those values ​​are also someone formulates that it is enough to simply destroy this intelligentsia, the intelligentsia is narrow, a very thin layer and everything and the nation turns into just the number of the population , that is such times that simply destroyed our entire interview, they did it and this is what they were going to do now when they left the occupier rotted somewhere in siberia, or she was simply forced to emigrate. why was this children 's writer

vakulenko vakulenko from the kharkiv region with the kupyan region shot and killed, and did he pose any threat to this army no did he pose a threat to the russian idea of the russian world, absolutely because he is one of those who built the identity of the actual people whose children now call themselves ukrainian thanks to this, not because we elected someone to the verkhovna rada or appointed him as president ukraine is not because we have sausage for so much money and there is such and such a choice in the store , it is because someone says that i am ukrainian and this and that makes a difference and it is important for me. i am ready to fight, dear friends, about culture and its importance in during the war, we will talk about it later, we are waiting for the appearance of our guests - on our air, antona shotgun, the head of the ukrainian institute of national memory and a serviceman of the armed forces of ukraine, but it will be after a short pause, stay with

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. espresso every week the saturday political club helps to understand the processes taking place in ukraine and the world vitaliy portnikov host espresso and invitation experts based on facts give their assessment and forecast of the development of events want to understand how our today will affect our tomorrow see the saturday political club what saturday nightsso dear friends we will be back on tuesday and now let's talk a little about culture, about our cultural heritage, which is also subject to destruction due to the war, during the summer odessa was repeatedly subjected to missile attacks the historical center of the city, which this year was included in the unesco world heritage list, is partially destroyed, what is the current state of the shelling monuments, and whether odessa is satisfied with the pace of recovery , we will see in the story. well, after that, we will discuss it with anton shrochnych, the head of the ukrainian

institute of national remembrance and servicemen of the armed forces of ukraine , we see that after two massive attacks on the center of odesa, about fifty monuments of architecture, which are located in the zone included in the unesco world heritage site, were damaged today, after the shelling that took place on july 20-23 and also on august 14, experts of the odesa city council are conducting an examination and ak e-e are creating acts of damage. this especially applies to monuments of cultural heritage. on july 23, in odessa, a russian rocket hit the main temple of the city. suffered significant damage, especially the roof, the rocket passed through all floors of the building, now workers are engaged in repair work, which includes covering the damaged roof to protect the temples from rain and other precipitation at

the time of the explosion, the entire roof is damaged everything the entire roof, the entire roof, and all the copper, the conservation process is underway today, you still hear. there, the roof is being prepared under a film under the membrane to protect the cathedral from rain. the city authorities, justifying the not very fast pace of restoration, refer to the imperfection of the legislation in accordance with our legislation, the work and restoration of these objects lies on the owners and this applies to different types of ownership of these buildings and private and state and communal. now the church is preserving the cathedral with its own efforts. there is no help. opinions of

odessa residents regarding restoration works in the historical center of the city is ambiguous literally yesterday in the city we went to the cathedral uh-uh i see that uh-uh it’s not so scary already how was it m-m everything is done everything is restored that i know that everything is very sad sad they are still waiting for some kind of money for so that it will be restored. well, at your own expense, well, everything will be done minimally. that's why everyone is waiting for grants . no one knows when the consequences of the next shelling will be. we see that the damage is quite large, large-scale throughout the central part of the city, and unfortunately aggressor does not look at the unesco map when he plans his shelling from odesa arina nebohid for the espresso tv channel dear friends and we are already introducing you to anton shranuch, the head of the ukrainian institute of national remembrance and servicemen of the armed forces of ukraine

, anton, we welcome you to our broadcast, anton , is there i don't know the list of those monuments of cultural architecture, which were destroyed by russian missiles, stolen, taken away, is there a register or is it maintained, and about which we will lose talking, well, decently, the number it is precisely the objects that are damaged that belong to them that are protected accordingly, and only the ministry of culture can enter the relevant registers in an operational mode, as far as i know. last year, unesco gave a list . well, there were dozens of objects, respectively, this is much less than what was actually damaged, because the unesco procedures that describe the damage they are, to put it mildly, slow, yes, they were , according to the bureaucracy, the relevant inspectors , representatives of unesco, who should leave directly for now, for today, uh

, i haven't seen this list for a long time, but on the screen even in fact, the ministry of culture and information policy is the best one to tell you, and even better are the unesco experts, because they will still have information more quickly , and it is important here. is, in particular, a general register, and the situation with objects that were stolen from the museum is much more complicated , to talk about the state part of the museum fund because very often in well and how many does not exist until now, there is a single register objects that belong to the museum fund and the list of heritage, then if the museum was captured and the book in which fund book contains a list of which scans of which may be in the ministry of culture but still not arranged in a single register, then e accordingly

practically it is impossible to say exactly how many such objects were taken out and stolen by the russians, and this is a big task for us, it will be necessary to investigate, find, compare the stock books after we restore control over the territories, well, what temporary occupations, i still want to go back a little to last month, and you know, we received from president kuchma some uh-uh, some maybe atavisms in precisely the moments of national memory, maybe i don't know if you agree with that, it's about the date august 23 , i actually noticed that august 23 is black ribbon day e- it's somehow in memory of the victims of stalinism, and it's nazism

. it was somehow a little helpful. i visited the page of the institute of national remembrance. some brief account of a public lecture about some event was dedicated to the victims of stalinist repressions, and there too there was a completely different emphasis, because it is basically a historical date - it is the day of the signing of the secret molotov-ribbentrop pact, which started the war for ukraine for ukrainians who were divided into different countries nevertheless, it meant the beginning of the occupation, brutal occupation and repression for several million ukrainians of western ukraine. well, i think that i am interested in your opinion, whether the emphasis should be changed here and why it actually did not happen. it is well lit by the institute of the ukrainian studio of national remembrance, this event, what accents would you like to change ? well, i would just like the tape to be on the 23rd, on the 23rd day, ukrainians congratulate each other on flag day, are proud

of the colors of the flag, and it's very nice because we know how did this ukrainian flag crumble, and i don’t know for some two small threads, one yellow and one blue, which will be sewn into the embroidered fabric, it could be thundered into siberia , for example, when the poles attacked lviv during the first world war, oh my god yes, and even then they were looking for blue and yellow fabric. to sew that flag, people somehow managed to paint it with some kind of natural dyes in order to eventually hang this flag on the town hall and show that lviv is a ukrainian city. not polish as the poles wanted to use the opportunity when the austro-hungarian empire was collapsing, but on the one hand it is very nice that ukrainians are finally proud of their flag because it was also different in the days of independence, but on the other hand there is such a

day that ukrainians are truly a nation which suffered both from stalinism and from nazism and to simply remind people that there is still such a day when we honor the memory of the victims of nazism and stalinism and ukrainians died in that second world war out of 14 million 14 million when they say that in the war in general in the second world war died from 45 to 60. there are different estimates and ukraine's sacrifice is huge, so shouldn't we remind people that in addition to being proud of our flag, we must remember this black date that put an end to the second world war, which ukrainians have now paid for hearings. this very day and the fact itself molotov-ribbentrop's signing of this secret fact is one of the key, perhaps, ideological and historical foundations of, let's say , modern identity, and it remains largely ignored in our country.

i would like to remind you that august 23 does not correlate with any significant event regarding the ukrainian flag. there are dates in july, for example, when the first flag was raised on a state institution in kyiv. there are dates when it was first raised on a state institution in strya even earlier. that is, there are a bunch of different dates, but this date is not tied to anything except that this black ribbon day is celebrated in europe , well, look, it's good with the chief manager, i'm not a very good day because, uh, it's built on a historical instead of what they say on the 23rd, we all know about the historical photograph and it is not true to introduce it on the 24th, that is why, for example, when we were developing a draft law on public holidays , we proposed another day for the flag precisely for those reasons, so that it would be more in line with historical justice. of course now

citizens of ukraine have mostly already become so accustomed to it that in fact 23-24 are two days that we associate with state symbols , independence day, and so on. i also think that this emphasis should be changed and, accordingly , on the first of september, for example, there was a flag over the verkhovna rada and yellow-blue seems to me to be still good, good date, well, accordingly, and the corresponding proposals in the draft law, which we prepared and sent for approval , the corresponding bad, the second point regarding the practice of prayer turnip well, i do not think that uh school, the nazi pact can be a key date of identity, quoting it cannot be so, it is one of the international war crimes , in fact, the preparation of the crime of aggression committed by two totalitarian regimes, we must clearly record it there at the level of such key memories of the second world war we know about the second world war, but it's a key fact of identity. it definitely shouldn't be uh

. it should be one of the key myths that we break, that soviet propaganda worked a lot before, that it was right the document that time won and so on. here i am talking. so, accordingly, as regards honors - increasing the number of dates. and in general , what kind of events are held regarding the vaccination of victims of political repressions of the communist totalitarian regime? well , i can only agree with him. we have at least a few such dates per year there, starting from the spring er spring days when we remember the victims of the deportation of the crimean tatars and bukini , we hold events and ending there in november, we talk about the holodomor, genocide, but it is still well, not enough. and for example , on september 1 , we traditionally remember the beginning of the second world war. we also talk about the genome of totalitarian regimes, in which they will always give more such a magnitude of the national one, for example

, there will be independence day, but now it is flag day , really he stops this date ago here i need to move the weather now. thank you young people, anton antonovych, for participating in the conversation and for the constructive opinion. anton shrognych, the head of the ukrainian institute of national remembrance and servicemen of the armed forces of ukraine was with us. thank you to our viewers for responding to what we are saying here on our airwaves, and now i am asking you to respond to the information that will appear on your screens. qr-code that is always in the lower left corner , i remind you that we are assembling robotic platforms , which are ukrainian developments, that will help our military evacuate the wounded from the battlefield, deliver ammunition to the battlefield, and if they are still equipped there

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it's a little more because 11,000 for this morning is somehow a little frivolous , please, let's join in at the end with some news from my opera house, which is occupied by whom the chinese opera singer wangfang visited the building of the broken mariupol drama theater and sang there let's listen in pure chinese language light do you want the words no one no one wants me just reminding her that she stands literally in the same place where according to the calculations

of the press of their investigation about 600 ukrainians died, a lot of children women because there are women and the children mostly hid as a bomb shelter, you remember all that were in capital letters specially for the pilots of the russian bombers who were already unhindered at that time dropping bombs in the sky mariupol no longer had an air defense system to shoot them down, they wrote in huge letters with the inscription "dets" in russian so that they could see, nevertheless , this huge bomb was dropped, about 600 people died, i say again , our ministry of foreign affairs has already reacted to this speech called it cynical moral degradation, and the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine initiates the initiative of a total ban on the tour of any cultural figures from the people's republic of china so that they do not have to go on tour here. this is the initiative

. i hope that where there are totalitarian regimes and at the very end, let her have a little something funny, maybe you remember such a ukrainian traitor , montyan tetiana, what a strange character who betrayed ukraine, came to russia, told stories about the nazis, but not the unlicensed commentator russian solovyov, after all, he also bit off, it turns out that montyan is not so she is pro-russian and not so much, and she is a patriot of russia , let's listen to me, i'm needed, writes montyan, he's preparing to intercept. do you hear this from my president , he sent that you are in mine, who

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