[000:00:00;00] and conversations, we can bring this whole discussion back to us, because last year, i remember it and you remember it, someone said, well, these ukrainians , well, they are cool, but the haikyks in kherson, they are of course incredible in russia, bogdak , you got lucky somewhere there. now russia has created a line of defense that has almost no analogues in military history . i am not a military expert, but i am talking to those who respect and the fact that we are making real progress against this line, which was considered by many to be

so real that it cannot even be crossed the fact that this is happening is air support, the fact that it is happening in the conditions of the fact that we still have to count weapons and ammunition , eh, i think that this story is even more unique. no, if you want it to be many times more unique than last year and that's what military experts, germans, australians, i know, and we don't need to hide our heads like ostriches, talk about this day for a really long time, but we have gradual progress , look. last year and what we are doing against these lines which as some of the military, as emphasized by mr. serhiy, experts believed that they in general, they are some kind of irresistible

and uh, what is the progress to change it only with meters, yes, this is our land, we have to mark meters, no but i believe that we do not have to somehow again- to justify saying yes for a long time, but this is a general formula that gets me, which i have some aversion to. if you want to treat it, i think on the contrary, we should say yes, russia with its potential with its nuclear weapons and with its dictatorship with its vertical a system where heads are blown up, and both conventionally and literally, as we see you in recent russian history, it still retreats and this is what it really has. if you want to force them to believe in us, to believe in the armed

forces, to believe in the country, to believe in those who are in charge country, this is a unique story , let's stop all this whining, paying attention and making excuses, this is some kind of subconscious inferiority complex, what is there? let's discuss, and we have enough progress, not enough. let's finally respect each other and let's get rid of this complex when we constantly make excuses, we have to have this discussion because military aid does not depend on it . the atmosphere of our discussion with friends depends on it. they also need to show that ukraine is a success story. no less everything has been put an end to and moved forward let's stop with these endless excuses of course of course ukraine and ukrainians count on more

help from nato countries and especially in the part when it comes to e-e hitting of russian drone quadcopters on the territory of the countries of the north atlantic alliance, because on the night of september 4, one of their attack drones was launched by the russians in the near-port area on the danube and raisin and er, give izmail and not keels on their bank, that is, on

on the other side of the danube today, nato secretary general stoltenberg spoke about what happened in romania. let's listen to what he said. the romanian authorities confirmed it and informed nato that the wreckage of a drone was probably found near the border with ukraine. we don't have any information that indicated a deliberate attack by russia and we are waiting for the results of the investigation, but we have already seen a lot of combat actions, as well as air attacks near the borders of nato, there were incidents in poland and other places, and therefore we have increased our vigilance, we are closely monitoring what is happening near our borders and also strengthened our presence in the eastern part of the alliance, mr. pavla, is it enough for nato countries to be vigilant in this situation, because well , it turns out that over the past

year and a half, uh, russia quite often got territory, or at least on the territory of the member countries of the north atlantic alliance, drones and missiles were flown, and each time there was some kind of explanation from the point of view of the security of not only the countries of the north atlantic alliance, but also our territories, which are near these territories or could b nato to do more well, for example, put more anti-aircraft defenses already on the danube in romania in order to protect not only their territory but also ours, well, then it’s better to put this missile defense system in ukraine so that they don’t fly and it’s quite logical, remember you are having a discussion without the no-fly zone that we introduced last year and it is very emotional, so of course nato could have done more, but we also have

to understand and there should be an honest discussion in our society about the fact that nato also has allies in the red line who we managed to move this supply of weapons. i remember there in the first days of the week in germany, when you remember the helmets and when there was talk of some automatic weapons, they were generally covered, then the tank consortium arose. and i remember this story very well, because then there was tankova the coalition and then we talk about me in the 16th coalition, many other things, but nato has a position and it is for now. i emphasize that for now we do not know what will happen next, there are various scenarios, but for now it is a fixed red line and it concerns

what nato does not want to show neither politically, nor militarily, nor legally, that the alliance, like nato, is in a state of direct or indirect conflict with russia, because they believe that it can lead to an unforeseen escalation, and if this happens, they will say again. so we are watching them. will confidentially broadcast in moscow on their channels what they want to say again, wish for various obscene words , etc. and so on, but in my opinion, they will not use the fifth article, because the fifth the article provides really absolutely deliberately deliberately. so why don’t they do it, they don’t use article 4, which is consultations, extraordinary special consultations, when one

of the allies believes that there is a threat to their security , eh. they still don’t want to use such a mechanism, and my friends, including others countries in order not to get involved in nato at all, they now, of course, provide us with many things through nato, but the weapons are provided through the bilateral mechanisms of the allies, they do not want to give, including opportunities , skalat his passport to putin so that he does not spread his helpless propaganda that this is actually nato is fighting against russia and so that it is not such a source of energy for further nationalistic adjustments, although it is already difficult to say what other sources of energy are needed at today's level of ukrainian imperial derangement, but

nato's position is such that i believe that no we need to demand some political statements from nat. they still won't help us. well, you and i will listen to talking. well, for now, we have this in our heads. well, what's next? well, we need to say what we need, what we need , and how it will work. and it should be a constant discussion . 24/7 i believe that in general in the future even at home at the moment of joining the neet and this can be an element of all negotiations regarding obligations regarding our security, although not a guarantee, there should be some joint e-e formats to know possible joint command well, that was it would be cool to have a part the black sea command was somewhere in romania, well, let it be in istanbul, i don’t care, or part of it is in odesa and there are some tensions, the generals together with us would be responsible

for the defense of our black sea space, this example, i say, really, such examples can be given and they are discussed at the political level, and at for the military, of course, that is why there is such a way out so that we do not deal with endless poltava, but build answers, as for me, such an answer. let the concrete answer be the best when it holds too much this immovable red line that the alliance is not under no circumstances in a state of conflict with russia. again, i emphasize that for now, by the way, we have an infographic where we show cases of violation of the airspace of third countries by russians . this information was collected by our colleagues from the slovo i dilo project. and we put it on the infographic.

orlan-10 drone landing july 21 bulgaria pantsir s1 missile thrown ashore moldova october 10 violation of airspace october 31 moldova fall of missile fragments november 15 poland fall impact missiles that led to the death of two people december 5 moldova fall of fragments of the s-300 missile poland december 16 fall of the kh-55 missile and the 23rd year february 10 moldova and romania violation of the airspace by caliber missiles and romania september 4 the fall of chess drones mr. pavla, you are talking about the fact that ukraine could take advantage of this situation and get involved in the solution of the issue, which is very relevant for

us, the protection of the grain corridor in the black sea basin, because romania and bulgaria and turkey are also members of the north atlantic alliance and uh, taking into account these cases, which are not entering the war from russia , uh, the countries of the north atlantic alliance could join in the creation or uh, preservation of this corridor, according to your opinion, how likely it is, given the fact that putin continues to blackmail it erdoğan and the whole world with grain and their piratical behavior in the black sea is unfortunately unlikely for now, since this requires additional power that jordan must pass through the straits and there is

the so-called montero convention and so far jordan has not passes new russian warships but also new nato ships, that is, he tries to keep the balance, as they say , and ours. i think that the best option would be a nato mission or a yesev mission. they will grab one thing, but still there is no political will for it. of course , we can use the land, we can use the danube, but for putin it is not only about housing for putin - this is a story about saying that he still controls the black sea. since we have shown with our underwater and surface and air and combined drone strikes that

there is no longer complete control for him, this is a geopolitical geopolitical defeat, a change in circumstances . the story when the safety of shipping is no longer determined by russia usually strikes and causes a reaction, and it is also critically important for him to ensure the sale of his land and to gain political positions for him to withdraw russian russian banks from swift cancel the restrictions on transport insurance services and putin perfectly understands the broad in 7-10 naftogaz in general energy resources to play such a role, well, they simply will not play and in this zashmorg energy energy weapons will no longer work, he wants to build a new

strategic weapon and this is food as a result of the green revolution, less will be needed. but people will still eat, and many people, and putin understands perfectly well, do not imagine eating breakfast or lunch without a piece of bread. at the mental level, at the level of habits, at the level of traditions, and he wants to, er, throw a punch in relation to food, if energy does not work, that is , he will continue to hit this story, and for him it is much more than just the export of grain from ukraine, he is fighting for the fact that er again, he had opportunities for blackmail, and therefore i am categorically against getting off the hook and making concessions , there may be some difficult compromises, but to do so

that the sanctions regime develops is to let the genie out of the bottle and in this way russia will start to break it and so economically by isolation, which is not at all ideal, the fan flow did not work at all. that is, this is a story with very high stakes, but regarding the isolation that you mentioned on september 4 in sochi, rejecto and pardogan met with vladimir putin. there were a lot of issues between the state on the grain corridor they have not agreed on anything yet, but from what putin and erdogan said that trade between the two countries will grow today by 68 billion dollars a year, and they want

to bring it to 100 e to the turks, the russians are building two nuclear power plants and uh, as erdoğan says, for turkey, russia was and remains almost the number one partner for tourists, including uh, in your opinion, is it possible to overcome this evil called putin's russia, if uh, there will be exceptions from the rules and exceptions from sanctions well, every state takes care of its citizens and its economy and takes care of its needs, but in this situation when india buys russian oil, when brazil buys diesel fuel from russia, when turkey b-e with the help russian builds nuclear power plants when they want to launch a new gas flow through turkey, is it possible in this way, is it possible to strangle this monster

called putin's russia, this kind of thing is not possible. rules and what actually needs to be fundamentally changed is that putin didn't just feel the pressure. and for him to feel that it could break macarena, the economic backbone of russia, it's not to impose certain sanctions , and for a very long time so that the pain thresholds of the west are not transferred, but it is necessary to prohibit in general, all trade except for some humanitarian supplies, and to say that now we will issue permits for any possible trade with russia, and we will not, on the contrary

, issue permits on how to get out of and make exceptions from exceptions, and this is absolutely a move on logic that absolutely how are you you understand, it doesn’t work, and the second thing that really bothers me is that the west sees how many options there are to circumvent sanctions, it knows everything, you don’t need to be a cool spy for this, they are known, they are in turkey, they are in the gulf countries, india, china, other countries

asian central asian countries, the caucasus, wherever there are none , and russia invents dozens of them every day. but most of them can of course be tracked without problems, but the west does not want to raise rates. from india, where do they go? they don't go only to africa, they go to the west and balance the oil market, that's why this system is all sanctions . it allows putin to be kept under control , but under this control, they do not finish him off the system until the west has not raised the rates and it does not want to do it will not work today for tomorrow and yes it is effective yes it is effective but it is effective in the medium -term perspective and you and i do not have any medium-term perspective and we pay for it, that is, today the system is sanction is not effective for short periods of time, and

we mean it very frankly and honestly. it's tough. if you want to talk and discuss with our friends and force them to fuck, that 's to fuck, it's the best verb in the country, everyone others are from the third world. well, it was possible to invade turkey earlier , but someone said there was an earthquake there. and we need to talk with them about the acceptance of finland, sweden into nato, and something else, the caucasus, and that's how it always is. you have something there. on the agenda that then successively destroys politics and this policy. i don't like it, that is, correctly . i understand that the current status of ukraine in europe

is perceived by the west as the eastern gate before the russian invasion, this is the saying eastern gate , the title of the book eastern gate of europe serhiy bad. well, in my opinion, this is a very accurate definition. what, in principle, is peace when this eastern gate stands somewhere on the border of the russian state and the ukrainian state, and the ukrainians defend the eastern gate by receiving western weapons. do you agree with this statement? no, i do not agree, unfortunately. there is a part of people in the west and politicians in business. well, just people. since we are talking about people who understood that, as the poles once said, ours is safer than yours without baking, so our security is your security, they understand what it is

history and about their safety, but not everyone understood this and it is necessary to work on it further , as i said, there is still fatigue and habituation and distraction to another problem. a wave of emigration, some are not chinese, some are for something else, well, that is, in fact, the world , for many, is not limited to ukraine, and this story about what is called there, in the words of mr. serhiy, the eastern gate or the fronts or whatever, it partially entered, but far from to everyone and when everyone will understand that this is actually a part of their world , their western world, and without it, there is no way and here is the history of the musketeers one for all and all for one it

continues really in this there is a unique progress since the 14th year and especially since last february year, but far from everyone understood this and not everyone understands us as a frontier and what protects them protects their way of life, that is, this work cannot be abandoned, these conversations cannot be abandoned , it cannot be assumed that by definition , everyone perfectly understood that no way without ukraine look at how in european countries, libya and the right-wing are growing, especially the right-wing. look how in germany the right-wing alternative party is 20%. and in some federal states, i looked at the polls, and my friends gave me 28% in saxony, for example.

they are already the first party number one, and this does not mean that this is about ukraine and people do pay attention to emigration to the economy, but nevertheless there are processes that are very, very uh, such that we should be worried , so we believe that western support for us guaranteed guaranteed unlimited guaranteed at such a level and that everything will be just cool without us i think that it is irresponsible that is why we have to work as before that is why visits are important visits of the leadership of ukraine are important communication is important and not public communication and civil society that is, everyone who can should continue to work if we think that we explained there how cool we are and it is not always that yes

, unfortunately, it does not work about supporting ukraine and during the visit to kyiv the secretary of state of the united states of america anthony blinken spoke, let's listen to what he said we together with our partners, we are focused on two things. first of all, to provide ukraine with everything it needs in the near future. for a successful counterattack and the purpose of the visit is to listen very carefully to the ukrainian partners in order to understand exactly what is needed. of the future so that ukraine can protect itself from future aggressions, now there are 29 countries that supported the jayson declaration in building the forces of the future of ukraine, and this is

the initial question. i think that during in the next few months, we will better understand what we stand for and we want putin to understand that he will not be able to survive ukraine , he will not be able to survive the ukrainian defenders, the last words are beautiful, he will not be able to survive ukraine and he will not be able to survive the ukrainian defenders, well , god, let it be so but it is clear that our partners are also looking at how ukraine is developing, not only the armed forces of ukraine a and e, how our electronic declaration is carried out, is it open or not closed, how do we have oligarchs such as kolomoiskyi is in a pre-trial detention center or not, or you? obviously, all these things are connected, and the fact that today the next suspicion was brought to ihor kolomoiskyi precisely during the visit of anthony blinkin, and he actually got to the army hut just before anthony blinkin's visit, well, that's also probably it's not a coincidence, because in the united

states of america, the fbi is conducting an investigation into money laundering by kolomoisky and his partners in cleveland, where they invested money in real estate. to ukraine what will happen to the internal life of ukraine to what extent will it affect everything that was declared by the antonym blinke that we will develop the armed forces of ukraine so that we will make the armed forces of the future that is, here are some amendments that are not accepted about the opening of electronic declarations well these are such childish mistakes , but they are made deliberately and our partners also probably see that the ukrainian authorities are just being cunning when they do not want to open electronic declarations and say that they will do it in a year

i will only make one point for attention, mr. serhiy, and it is important for those who are preparing suspicions . whoever it is, it is being investigated. these cases are well done. it is all an understandable story , but let's not connect it to the visits of our friends. although they are indeed our main allies, without whom we cannot move forward, because ukraine is for us and we must make it the future of ukraine, of course it cannot be the previous one as it was before the war. i think we all agree on this, it cannot to be based on the same pre- v principles above the same social contract of the same constitution, well