[000:00:00;00] congratulations on the bbc broadcast today we are trying to find out why president zelensky is being given words at the g20 summit , luckily it is the studio of iryna taraniuk world leaders have arrived in india for the g20 summit, it promises to be one of the largest in terms of the volume of preparations and the scale of the celebrations, but the president of ukraine has the opportunity to make a video address like last year did not give that this is political pragmatism to please putin or delhi's attempt to show itself as the state of tomorrow, a unifying force capable of moving away from traditional geopolitical divisions

the attention of world changes this weekend will be focused on the most representative forum of the leading states of the group of 21 summit for india, which presides over this association, the summit is an opportunity to declare its ambitions as a superpower of the future india as a host country it is here that it seeks to show where it has equally good relations with a global rooster, so with the countries of the west, for this purpose, the indian prime minister tried to distance himself as much as possible from the problem of the russian-ukrainian war, the president of ukraine, the organizers not only did not invite to delhi , as it was last year at the ball, was not even given the opportunity to speak to the participants of the summit with a video message . it accounts for 85% of the world economy and 75% of global trade it

unites two-thirds of the world's population annual summits became a tradition after the financial crisis of 2008 when it became clear that global problems require a global platform for actions, the club unites 19 leading economies of the world and the european union , and will mark the culmination of india's presidency of the group of 20. last year, when indonesia was the chairman of the 20, the topic of the war in ukraine unleashed by russia overshadowed the summit at the ball, so india did everything is possible to put the problems of developing countries at the top of the agenda this year. also , according to bbc south asia correspondent samira hussain, delhi wants to use the summit as a showcase to demonstrate its

global importance for india, this is a stellar time on the international stage, she presents herself to the world as a leader, and at home they made the g20 a part of the daily discussion, let's remind ourselves that this group is solely responsible. india holds about 200 meetings in 60 different cities and emphasizes the importance of the group of twenty or 20 itself. it is of great importance to me as an indian and this is the biggest achievement for the government of physicists near the very we are hosting this summit and this sense of collectivity this is about india in general and i am very happy about it new exhibition center new statues everywhere billboards with logo g20 delhi was held up like a bollywood star by presenting its updated version to the world, but behind these walls erected

on the eve of the summit, india is also hidden, which the world leaders will not see . very angry with me delhi looks very beautiful they changed the city but now on its beautiful background we are like spots like craters on the moon they made us spots before and hid them so they could just take us to from here it may appear to be a pile of broken bricks and pieces of concrete, but two months ago there were residential buildings and even a school here, but they were all demolished across the road, just the place where the summit was held, the government claims that the building was illegal, but whose house was destroyed, they said completely different, they destroyed our houses and made us homeless they said that they want to clean the area for the g20 summit

they said to get out of here and before the prime minister rent and modi and other problems came up his government was criticized because of the rise of religious tension in india but on the eve of the group of 20 itself, the country rejected these warnings, instead focused attention on issues important for the global south, the fact that in world politics there is a struggle of great powers and polarization is a reality, but despite this , during its presidency, india proved that one should not forget about a significant part of the world about the weakest and most vulnerable countries that face various kinds of acute crises but their voices are not heard india turned its presidency of the g20 into a large-scale event and thanks to this it succeeded to strengthen their positions on the global world stage because of the war in ukraine to the organizers of the imminent summit, we will discuss this with the executive director of the foundation, the democratic

initiatives of the name and which is petro burkovsky, who is joining us from kyiv p . from india's decision to dissociate itself from the topic of the war in ukraine on this itself. i think that by and large in a losing way, since india was busy with its own issues and from the very beginning of a full-scale invasion, india has demonstrated that it is not going to - does it first consider this war as a conflict between a connecting state and russia, this is india's view, and therefore it is not going to take sides on anyone's side, whether on the side of russia or on the side of the united states, even more so for ukraine and ukraine has more valuable allies in the east, japan, south korea, and countries that help us humanitarianly. let me remind you that india did not help us in this war at all, but despite this

, they talked about ukraine and the war in ukraine, and the disappointment that the president to zelenskyi president biden and the prime minister of the british rishi sunok are not allowed to speak on this, that is , they still demand an explanation from er on ren repairs. why didn't he give the opportunity to er the president of ukraine to address the participants of this summit ? you see, in the west they still cannot realize that india is not going to stand on their side and there are other complex problems, this is the population, this is economic growth, and china is a very aggressive neighbor, and there is also the problem of both internal divisions and external threats what india considers externally is an islamic threat, and that's why. well, it prioritizes its uh, special, personal issues, and it fully understands that the western big powers

, about which you asked, the usa and great britain, that one way or another uh, it's just like that ritual, these are ritual statements, in fact, western countries are also interested in the indian market, and it is really a cheap labor force. well, it is more in the economy, by the way, this thesis of yours is confirmed by the fact that the western countries and washington and london rolled out rugs at rendroimodi welcoming him to their capitals. you already they mentioned of course that india has a dangerous neighbor - it's china, nevertheless, at the brics summit in ren-ramo, he was happy to talk with sisin , but this time sisin pin decided not to go further . how can we explain this decision of his? do you know about something more, is there a new competitor for the western associations forming? no , not here, the western associations need to first of all

understand that india is part of the so-called quod, this is india, the united states, japan and australia is clearly an anti-chinese alliance, and india considers this alliance as a guaranty for itself, and we must not forget that india very successfully landed its invention, so it landed on the moon and thus joined the small club of states that can develop and explore space for china, too not very good news well, in principle, this is news that india also has the technology to successfully defend itself against china , including missile technology . rendra modi yes, india is growing, they have overtaken china in terms of population, it is catching up, it will catch up in terms of the economy, according to the pace of development, and while the ten-year rule of the sitting party has very contradictory results and, well, it is not in favor of a comparison with

uh, the same management of energy gender modi. thank you, mr. peter peter the borkov executive director of the democratic initiatives fund named after ika kuchurov adds that all the state leaders and participants of the summit have already arrived, with the exception of seizinping and putin, all zinken sent the chinese prime minister instead of him, then the minister of foreign affairs, us president joe biden has already expressed his disappointment that he will not have the opportunity to talk with the chinese leader face to face, in particular about ukraine, whether the 20s without sisinfin make sense and what consequences this demarche of the chinese leader will have for what some are already calling the second the cold war between the west and china, it was found out by the editors of the axis on economic issues, less it is not quite like a play without the main actor , but after eating the absence of someone here is noticeable beijing has almost confirmed that the leader of china xi jinping will not come to meet the group

of 20 in the model china will introduce his deputy leach's absence everything happens at a rather important geopolitical moment after the visit of the speaker of the us house of representatives and nancy spoke to taiwan and the sanctions of the white house on the export of semiconductors to china between china and the us there were steps to soften relations as an example, the us climate envoy john kerry was coming to beijing , the us president was really hoping for a personal conversation with his chinese colleague. i am disappointed, but i i am going to see him, the reasons for the absence of the chinese leader are unknown, because after coming to power, siedenpil did not miss any other g20 meetings, except for the pandemic, in the end he attended the recent bric with the participation of russia, india and brazil, which was hosted by south africa, some assume that in this way everyone wants to focus their attention on the creation of new non-western oriented

writing forums, the ultimate goal of the foam seats is to present the world with an alternative to the existing liberal international order dominated by the united states, brics or more precisely the expanded brics, which is all in the global south, can help china to escape such a goal is much more effective than the group of 20 and i think that is why the twenty is not as important for china as the brics. another opinion is that it is convenient for everyone to skip the g20 itself in order to avoid uncomfortable questions about the vulnerable state of the chinese economy, however, this raises an interesting question, is the fact that china is currently experiencing what some call a full-scale economic crisis, a drop in exports , real estate problems, a sharp rise in unemployment among

are the dynamics changing around geopolitical relations with the west and the need to de-risk supply chains economically weak china is less of a threat to the west than it seemed last year in 2011 the american investment bank goldman sachs predicted that china would overtake the us economy in 2026 but now predicts will happen no earlier than the 35th year, another company capital lekonix believes that this may never happen if the so-called poki dada trap is associated with the probability of war with the fact that a growing state challenges available to the superpower, does the slowing down of the chinese economy mean that this logic will not work, big people think that a weakened china with economic challenges may succumb to the temptation and become more nationalistic and more aggressive in its foreign policy , you can also argue that a very strong and harsh china was also certain a threat, so i'm not sure that this discussion

will lead us anywhere. i think we just have to consider that china will incredibly be a more unstable place in the future economically and this may have political consequences a one-on-one meeting is better than war - said winston churchill in the 1950s during the first cold war, the same probably applies to the next one. so, without shchedrin, without an invitation to zelensky and without putin, the summit of the countries of the group of 20 starts in delhi tomorrow ostap is definitely there

the final declaration is expected on sunday , that's all for today, look for more interesting things on our website bbc.ua and on our pages about social networks. september, vitaly portnikov, that's right, we have it, we're not two, we're three, mykhailo, a military expert, director of the new geopolitics resort network expert, center for the study of the army, conversion and disarmament. good health, mr. mykhailo. thank you for taking the time for us, and the first question, do you know what this question is? who is the minister of defense in ukraine , what are his functions, what are his functions, what does he do , i keep saying that he is the one with cesium , they once sweated it in the soviet version, somehow

my doctor already sweated it. he would organize everything so that there is something to shoot behind the ground, to plant explosives and rockets, planes, and so on and so on, tell me your point of view, well, from the formal point of view, the ministry of defense is an executive body , a central executive body, which is really responsible for the first, the development of a-a strategy and conceptual provisions in the field of security and defense. and of course, for ensuring the activities of the armed forces of ukraine , but the command of the main command of the armed forces is a military management body, that is, there is a big difference between the body of the central executive power and the body of the military administration, and thank god that we managed to separate these functions because, for example, the soviet tradition was that the minister of defense was the chief military commander, and by the way, in ukraine, until recently, such cases

happened when the minister of defense, who was a former military man, but he considered himself a general, began to interfere in the activities of the armed forces and vice versa, that is, the chief of the general staff, because we did not have the position of commander-in-chief of the armed forces at that time, tried to influence the activities of the ministry of defense, that is, these functions were not completely separated. it was a disaster, and during the war it would have been a disaster. in fact, we had a very civilian, i would say so, minister of defense reznikov, on the eve of the war, and a very military commander-in-chief general zaluzhny of the armed forces - it was very, very good for us and in fact , all of this played a big role.

constantly in a democratic state - it should be a permanent permanent process because that's why we have now just the changes that can bring us new er let's say more positive changes in this area mr. mykhailo and for you to update, you say update, so mr. umerov should update what was incomplete? because the impression is that mr. reznikov was efficient enough, he traveled abroad , he negotiated, he lobbied, he constantly told us that something had been bought, something would be bought, there were breakthroughs , on the contrary, there were shortcomings. such a diplomatic, military, and maybe organizationally, i just don’t know here, no one will tell anyone where the factories are located, what is produced there. please tell me what you think about the moderate, well, first of all, really , minister reznikov, he worked just on the external track. it was really perfect

work and all these achievements, including from the point of view of rammstein's activities, the format of bilateral activities with our partners , the work here was really top five with a plus and the fact that we really have any weapon of the west in including, we already expect such f16. this is really a great merit , including that of minister reznikov, that is, in fact , he did very well in this area, there is another area, for example, the internal activities of the ministry. this is exactly what the scandals were built on. i would that is, the scandals show the kurts. that is, i will not say that this is proven corruption, because there were no court verdicts. but there were journalistic investigations , there were scandals that

still caused damage to the same international track, because when our international partners, after all, they spend the money of their taxpayers and their voters, they would very much like everything to be crystal clear with ukraine and there were no corruption scandals. that is, this is the internal activity of the ministry. i think there is something to work on in the third sphere - this is a synergy between the ministry of defense, the ministry of strategic industry and the ministry of digital transformation, no matter how strange it is, but our ministry of digital transformation is one of the most advanced bodies of executive power that deal precisely with, for example, drones. yes, with advanced technologies in the military sphere of the so-called miltech , that is, in this sphere, precisely with the organization of synergy between these three players . it seems to me that there was not enough of a leader and a driver. expressed himself and it was not enough , that is, when he meets with a representative of the ministry of defense, they seem to be doing their own business. the ministry of static industry is doing some of its own

business. the ministry of digital transformation united 24 army of drones seems like everything is great in general, but this synergy was not enough, that is, the creation of the miltech ecosystem, it was precisely to ensure the activities of the armed forces that lacked a leader. i hope that the ministry can become such a leader, in any case, i heard it in the speeches of the minister and the president. that is, there was just uh-uh, such phrases were related to just uh-uh, there was such a phrase subjective - subjectivization of the ministry of defense . the activities of various executive authorities and other entities working in this area because this was not enough. well, there are other areas , for example, still raising the issue of digitization in the field of mobilization, where , again, this is a very important component that affects

that including, as they say, the moral and psychological state of society from the point of view of justice in this area, we know the corruption that was exposed in these territorial centers - this is absolutely what we do not need during the war, this is clear. please tell me, mr. mykhailo a from how do you assess the forecast of the united states and its intelligence that the probability of a breakthrough by ukrainian troops by the end of the year may be from 40 to 50%. this is a very strange forecast for me, because you know how it is in medicine, a patient is either a living or a dead man, 50% breakthrough, and i also liked it , that is, we throw a coin and there either they will break through or they will not break through, that is , you will not make a decision based on such a forecast, that is, why is intelligence needed to produce the information needed to make a decision, to make a decision based on such and such information, you will not make a decision therefore, that is, well, it seems to me that the intelligence of the office of the ministry of defense of the united states knows, of course, that

there are elections in the united states and there is no need to make sharp predictions from a distance of 50%, when either the old, the new biden or the new old trump will ask what you predicted here, they will say well, we said 50%. that is, in principle , they were somewhere close to the truth, but as for our actual capabilities , i think that here, of course, rumo gives his predictions, and our guys do their job and with hard work. it is really hard work right now. bloody work, which is based on this work. geopolitics is also based on this work, and our plans and everything else, that is, they are now breaking through the main line of defense, and from this breach, how successful it will be depends, in principle, on the future the fate of ukraine and in many respects, including the same

administration of biden, the secretary of state congratulated blinkin, but he understands that in fact now a lot depends on how the election campaign of biden will be built, including on the fact that it is happening right now in the same zaporizhzhia region. yes, but i would say that maybe some american spies are working well. therefore , this is a 50-50 perspective. this may be the eye of the general staff of the russian federation, who sit there and think yes, yes, 50 of these will win half a hundred. or 57, during the war, it is obvious to me that everyone must lie . i would immediately release the supreme leader, well , the supreme leader cannot be released, you cannot be re-elected , but the main thing is that he told the truth, his task is to constantly lie so that the russians pp were confused and did not know what the ukrainians would do. i believe that this is the main

fog of war - this is a very important moment, but there is no way to know the plans of the commander-in-chief. it was said about front-line affairs, as far as i would ask, i would start from the east, how reliable are the ukrainian troops there, because there are constant counterattacks of the russian federation there, as far as you can understand, they are pressing something there they want prospects, i'm not a specialist, but when i look at the map, i understand that there aren't any prospects. they can advance, but after literally 2-3 km, they will stop for good, and they simply have nowhere to go , but they are pressuring us. what would you say about this pressure? from a strategic point of view, this operation in the kupyan direction was aimed at breaking through ukrainian defenses and forcing

the ukrainian command to move reserves from the south and the bakhmut direction from the east to the north, i.e. in order to in order to neutralize try to neutralize the offensive of the russians and thus stop any offensive actions in the south and east it is obvious that they did not succeed and it is obvious that the ukrainian command clearly understands how it achieves this goal with what forces and judging by that that so far all the reserves that are needed are just on e-e above the task of building up efforts in the southern direction, building up efforts in the bakhmut direction, there is information about the advance of ukrainian forces near the donetsk airport, which means the ukrainian command knows that those are the mitts, they are dealing precisely in the kupyan direction, and that's why here, of course. well, we can only talk about the fact that the ukrainian

command understands the situation and, on the other hand, the russians are unable to find, let's say, a way to break through here again, the russians have little time for the ukrainian defense here, we hope that we will still have f-16 planes, however some experts say that there are 16, they will not change anything, f16 will be changed, including in the north, including and in the south er and in the east and especially in the north that is, they will not be able to feel free there, including with their aviation , e.p. mykhailo look. well, they say that i don’t know that tokmak is 20-30 km away, and there is a lot of pressure from the ukrainian army under bakhmut, you know, i am knocking on wood because i have the impression that it has - let's talk and what is your impression - it really looks like a strong enough pressure on the russians and more opportunities for the ukrainian military in

the ukrainian generals somehow it is to develop this counteroffensive, although it can already be called and qualified as just us here well, this war differs from the others in that it takes place online, that is, live, in fact, just as we watch it live, literally there until the last position, so the russians have the opportunity to watch, and it is clear that the generals, if they are sensible generals in the russians, they understand why everything is going on and what are the prospects for this offensive of the ukrainians, their main task is to prevent a breach in these defensive positions until the end of the autumn campaign, when it will begin , as the russians say, and the leopards will start charging at the tower and will stop this powerful offensive that the ukrainians are currently carrying out, and in ukraine, and the ukrainian generals have the opposite task , to be in time before the weather worsens, after all

, to break through these defensive positions, what is now visible is that the ukrainians, in some directions, have already broken through the first positions of the main line of defense is currently working on breaching the second positions of the main line of defense, and if it succeeds, then in fact, the ukrainian army will enter the operational space, and there it will be possible to expand its capabilities, including with the use of armored vehicles and so on, but it is necessary to understand that this breach will have to be expanded, it will be necessary to strengthen the flanks because the russians well, if we just make such a corridor for 30 km, you will try to break through , for example, to the tokmak well, of course, this corridor will be easily cut and the russians will do everything to do it, they have enough reserves to, for example, cross such corridors. therefore, this corridor must be expanded, it must be strengthened, and moreover , these offensive actions

are carried out by the ukrainian army in several directions that we let's look at this work in the direction of prokopivka - this is a new donetsk novomajorskoe, this is already a new direction is now opening in this direction of volnovakha. this is of course the actions of the bakhmut direction where ukrainian forces are constantly advancing every day by a kilometer, but they are doing a great deal because they are destroying a lot of russian reserves of russian russian infantry with russian armored vehicles. thank god they gave us cluster munitions, which many europeans say are anti-human weapons, but thank god they gave us it because we can hit areas, we can destroy with one projectile , for example, a water base, or with several cannons, we can bring this base to the point of incapacitation, and that's thank you, mr.