[000:00:00;00] and when someone is interested in what you feel, it supports you. you know that people don't care. and i just want to show people that i don't care. by the way, you're probably in the minority , but your position is well-reasoned. it seems to me that now i'm putting myself in the person's place something like that worries me because i am a colleague. for example, i have a colleague, the editor-in-chief of babel was yevhen spirin, he dealt with bodies in buch, he got a job in the morgue, and there he was asked this question and he wrote a whole post saying that this question is not possible put but this you see such a debatable thing, you know, i also liked how you say it incorrectly in your film, you are fighting against russian propaganda and i feel that you

did not have such a goal from the very beginning and you rather do what is journalism, show the truth , a very similar story in of iron butterflies in another film there about mh17, i don’t know if you have watched it there, there is a similar technique when they show russian news and then they show other frames where it is clear that these russian news are lying and you have the same in when you show russian journalists, well, it’s probably difficult to call them journalists, propagandists who claim that everything in the maternity hospital was staged , and we see all these shots and understand this whole scheme according to which russian propaganda works . not as counter-propaganda, not as some kind of answer, not as a dialogue with the propagandists, namely as journalism, well

, you just now said this, this is not a dialogue. we should not respond or try to fight with propaganda we will just do our work and the film this is just a tool for this kind of work because when you give people from see how propaganda works, it gives many versions and people lose perspective in these versions and we live in an era where there is no information, but if you give people

it is enough to the text, how is it possible to do it in the film, then it will be easier for them to resist, this is wrong interpretation of the events that they see, but yevhen pushed the same with the photos he took, it is the same well, how about us it just poured out at first on me, then on all of us, because the first photos became popular. yes, and photos, and here is the first photo that was published on almost all the front pages. all came out at once from the same photo on the front cover a-a we understood who

and who this photo of irina kalina er-er woman a pregnant woman on a stretcher died then she died like that and this wave was directed against that yes er well news fake news there with discrediting the photographer, yes, how did i do it, and i was called different things, yes, an information terrorist, from mrs. zakharova, and so on , yes, well, everyone remembered me there, but everyone is famous, but if the main thing is not to give up, and so on, and just keep doing it, yes, there

and i don't know how difficult it would be to prove something here and to whom to prove it, well, how would we do our work? yes, that's where we showed and how it is, uh , then in our country . there is still a way to prevent this from happening, but i think we have done enough for the world to understand and what is going on yes, and this work of ours showed yes, you were there too, according to our work, you were made very high yes, there, uh , finally, i want to ask about different festivals , different events, because i don’t know you, you probably don’t already count the number of these events by the border where you take your film must be q9 communication with the audience communication with the press i am even more interested in communication with the audience ah there are a lot of stories

from your colleagues who went somewhere there and encountered some wild ideas about our country from different people e- and felt this vacuum of information about ukraine, of course, tell me if it is possible for you to have any question from the audience that you met very often or some kind of reply and how you can feel that exactly your film was able to change the perception of ukraine by these viewers who before watching the film thought one thing and after watching a-and in them this vacuum was filled , i will tell you about the film evgeny travels with photo exhibitions, it is also such an important important part, most often and this is good, most often the question that is heard is how to help, it is

it's simple, but how to help. tell us. well, we want to help now, but how. i think that actually part of our work is not our work, but our work as a ukrainian society should be precisely to help the international community understand how to help . it's simple, but it's important, secondly. it seems that finally the people who watched the film understood the scale, because the scale of suffering, the scale of destruction and the intensity of the war is hard to convey in the news , when you watch the news for one, two or three minutes , even every day, you and then you live your own normal life and that's normal. you don't understand how difficult everything is, you don't understand how much everything is happening at the same time and how much this issue of simple survival

is acute for ukrainians. i think that the film just helps people understand that every minute, every minute, someone in ukraine dies , civilian soldiers every minute, russian troops attack ukraine and kill our people, and this understanding comes just when people watch more than just a minute of news, and there were some pro-russian viewers or people with, well, let's say sentiments, sympathies for the russians, which were some of the comments, not often, but there are comments and it's also interesting to watch, uh, because i don't even have to answer them, uh, arguments start in the audience, ah, but

there are comments, they mostly follow russian negativity, which says something like, it's all very difficult, ukrainians usually die, but it's all their fault, because if it wasn't too much, if it weren't for their aggressive behavior, then the ukrainians are russia i shouldn't have done that, that is, there is such an excuse. they see what the russians did to mariupol , they can't say that it didn't happen, that's why they say that it's your own fault, that's why you need such a comment. i usually hear it, but there are not many of them . the audience is perceived as a rule, well, arguments begin, answers begin, uh, again, i, as an international journalist , can't uh, get bored there and say you , how can you say that, uh, i was there, no, i always answer calmly, i always answer

with reasons, but well as a rule, people who already have formed their own point of view, they don't change it about exhibitions , so tell me. and what are you doing there? well, it's really difficult because it's a photograph , mostly it's alone and it's silent. yes, but it's worth thousands of words. er, to many yes, it is about iryna kalinin and well, in principle, the whole series is from mariupol, that's why the people of mariupol watched all the photos, and i'm not talking about the world, because it's hard to imagine how many people in the world, in principle, watched what happened to mariupol, but they watched and it's really it. everyone watched it and didn't they will forget. that's for sure. well, how about those photos

that are still in front of people's eyes, and we know this, and people in russia looked at it. they looked the same way, so that everyone wouldn't say. of those people who were interested in what is happening in ukraine, they are partly i think maybe not all of them, but they definitely looked and this is a really important fact that people somehow or other they saw this is even what was inside and what is the practical effect of this what do you think they saw felt something and what the result of this could be. sometimes i thought that photography is not such a powerful tool as video. yes, and maybe it evokes less emotion there, because i was also involved in video and did a lot, but then i realized that

when you show eh in the mode such a crisis, as in ukraine, everyone is watching it, and this and these moments from the war, they will be engraved , but not for a long time, for a century. yes, there, as if for some period, but for the time being, people will remember and about these events. yes, there is a coronavirus there in the world and so on, we will take them there as the last ones yes, there are historical questions for the time being, but when and when in russian society there will be a need for arguments to stop this war, this will be one of the arguments, these materials, this film, these photos taken by yevhen, these photos that are being filmed, videos that are being filmed by all journalists on the front lines now

eh and eh in ukraine, this will all be an argument sooner or later that russian society will be ready for this doubt as soon as it has the tools to base this doubt on something, i hope that it will be so yes, but i think it is possible, well, if they can potion any example , yes, it doesn’t matter , and promote it, yes, on television and so on, we have seen many such similar scenarios. on the contrary, we want people to see, yes, what. well, how about more specific photos, yes, not to promote the war, but

not to have it, but sometimes it turns out the other way around, because they spread the word and interpret it with their own words , so that they set fire to fire and throw firewood they are rich and we are on the last question, you have people from mariupol in the film who are a little pro-russian or something not very oriented where else they are flying from, so there are not many of them. i hope to see more, but there are not many of them, but they are still there and we have a discussion about whether it is possible to show such people, especially abroad. and this is cultural diplomacy. but i would like to ask if there were people among foreigners who noticed such characters and how they reacted to them, because we react already with knowledge of some contexts there, people do not know what were any interesting reactions to yes and the reaction is usually and why do they say

that they don't understand what is happening this is the first reaction the second reaction it is good that it is in the film because uh it gives the film credibility we set ourselves the task of showing the whole the spectrum of reaction to the camera, to the journalists, to the situation and all points of view, and there were pro-russian people in mariupol, but they were not the majority, but they were there, and no one can say that we, well, i, as a director, did not give them a voice, this is the first time - the second e-e is generally an e mariupol is such a phenomenon, it was not just on the blog, but it was under an information siege, and this is for the future, let's call it some kind of stage . that is, this is an example of how the information

blockade affects the psychology of people and people who are in an information siege in an information siege, they panic, they believe all because what they hear they don't know what's true and what's not, and by showing such people , er, we also illustrate the er, the effect that the information siege of mariupol had , thank you all, such a head from overload , headaches, different causes, but there is a solution combispasm and a normal head overcomes the skillful pain and spasm combispasm is from

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and caring people, in the evening, in the most urgent military matter, they can register voluntarily and on andriy lebedenko vetashkin viktoriya pismenna tsn 1+1 marathon the only news in the german bundestag talked about children kidnapped by russia representatives of the president's office took part in a discussion directed at cooperation between the two countries for the return of children, a special guest was 11-year-old ilya from mariupol, whose mother was killed by the russian military in front of him. this is his language . the boy was forcibly deported from ukraine . as of september 1 this year , according to the russian media , more than 744,000 ukrainian children have been officially documented, at least 20,000 cases of illegal deportation ukraine

managed to return 386 ukrainian children , nine of them were returned the day before the first session of the german bundestag and it is dedicated two dozen members of the german bundestag have gathered in ukraine today to hear, learn and further convey information about ukrainian deported children. the governments of each country must strongly condemn the deportation and forced accommodation of ukrainian children by the russian authorities and do everything possible to ensure that every child can return home as soon as possible. will be like small google offices in ukraine, they plan to rebuild war-damaged schools in a modern way, for a start they chose five institutions from different regions of ukraine are already working on their transformation, foreign architects announce that ukrainian schools that were designed in soviet times will get rid of wide

hollow corridors, but there will be recreation areas for both students and teachers that are yet to be rebuilt schools and when they will be redesigned in a new way tsn correspondent inna bodnar will tell about these workers rake out yellowed leaves from under the ruins , the parts that are incomprehensible to them are put in a separate pile, this is all that is left of the school in romny, its russians were attacked by drones in august of this year, a week before the start of training, four workers died, survived, the walls are being demolished in a heap and they are arguing about what to do with it next. the city authorities have decided that the school will be rebuilt . with shelter

, it is primarily due to russian aggression, about two hundred schools were completely destroyed and more than a thousand were damaged in ukraine, now they are developing a whole concept of how to rebuild all this , deputy prime minister mykhailo fedorov presented it at an educational conference and promised that schools would become small offices of google and make it modern and make it so that its design and user xperience were combined with new standards and the first steps on this path were taken. this is how foreign guests were taken to the schools of deoccupied communities . from lithuania, estonia, and hungary . they already had the experience of rebuilding soviet-era educational institutions at home, here are samples of their work, the school before and after , and they want to move in this direction as well these are new spaces for ukraine. that is, they are not typical

corridors that everyone is used to. by the way, if you are, the fact is that typical corridors are in schools . why are they like that because when they were designed, these schools were designed by soviet schools for the fact that there could be expanded hospitals and two gurneys had to move in this corridor. for the pilot project, 5 schools have already been chosen from kyiv oblast, kharkiv oblast, dnipropetrovsk oblast, and zaporozhye oblast. those institutions that were damaged by the war and have different projects and, accordingly, the most popular of these types, were selected five years ago, you can make five architectural projects of transformation in order to then scale them to hundreds of schools throughout ukraine , and in this way we move quickly, but since we have thought very carefully about the projects once, we move qualitatively. this is a school in the kyiv region that got into the pilot and who was one of the first to be transformed, this is how she was after the occupation. this is how she is now and what she will be like. the director has understood

. well, look, we are entering the classroom . that we have single desks for the children, they liked it, foreign architects who have already visited the school say that all classes are the same, starting from the first grade to the 11th grade, the children, the teacher, well, the board was there, they want to do it differently so that the children have a space to relax changes in each classroom, changes in the corridor, changes in the yard, educational institutions in ukraine will be transformed according to several principles, there must be a shelter, the institution must be barrier-free, multifunctional and open to the community, that is, the school must be open not only for the students in the annex, we will be able to rebuild everything at once. and i want to have that quality of life right away for the people who stayed there or who will return, and the school is a huge building that contains all

the infrastructure that adults need as well . on a day off or in the evening, the school is open for all of them are now actively implemented in germany , it was not the war that pushed them to this, but the economy in leipzig, they calculated that heating such rooms where children are only during the day is irrationally better here as much as possible to move the social life of the neighborhood so, new buildings are being actively added to the old school in order to accommodate even more adults, this is so that people do not have to go to the neighbors for something, to some courses or concerts. everything is available here in one place. and they can stay where they live and not even you need a car, this is a kind of integrated idea to solve many problems with the help of one thing, whether a multi-functional school in ukraine will survive will be clear next year, construction work is promised to start in the spring

and the students have to go to their little google offices next september 1. they are waiting for this, what will be cool with us, tell me inna bondar oksana soludovnyk and daniel kosakovsky tsn 1+1 marathon only news ivan franko metropolitan theater opens access to video recordings of its performances for schoolchildren this a joint project with the ministry of education, children from anywhere in the world will be able to watch pre-recorded theater productions for free with the participation of famous theater and film actors bohdan stupka anatoliy gostikova natalia sumska - water on benyuk and others among the recordings of performances by works from the school program, among them aeneid after two hares by nazar stodolya ukradene shchytsia in total of 11 exhibitions, the theater plans to make recordings of its other productions, the campaign which is now launched today, it seems to me that it will bring our young people closer to the very first to the ukrainian language to the classics, this is another one

opportunity for children to get high-quality distance education and the same red notebook, the diary of arina, in front of whom the russians killed her father, will be taken around the world together with the memories of other ukrainian children, witnesses occupation, excerpts from the booklet about sequins were read for the first time at the un meeting by the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, now the notebook has become part of an exhibition in the netherlands about how rina wrote letters to her father and reached hundreds of thousands of hearts. when they were running away from the war, now the bright birds remind rina of her father , they are watching on the eve of the russian invasion, arina and her brother were sent from odessa

to a village in the kherson region, then it seemed that there would be it's safer, the occupation, the russians are raping neighbor girls of her age, the parents rush to the children to meet them with a tank, when she got into the car, we drove off there, the sand was just meters away, bucha already showed that there were people in bucha, i say, imagine if we two die and our children remain alive then how will they live, i said get out, i will bring you children, he did not return there himself, he broke through all the roadblocks , did not go back 15 km to mykolaiv, the russians at close range shot a car with inscriptions, our children the car in arina's picture, the last minutes of the father's life, the dog died with him, saving the life of his own brother, the fields passed through the dog, and christ accepts it, there was no