once again good health my name is mykola veresen and you and i will co-exist for about another hour vitaliy kuliku we are the director of the center for the study of the problems of civil society i hope you will appear now and this will be my first question to vitali dobrogo health. thank you for finding it for us. well, take a look at why i said that it is precisely about civil society. we say that the g20 invites african countries. in fact, the language is as far as i can imagine. where about the creation of such a warsaw pact number two can less of such an aggressive warsaw pact, but those to be shorter. it turns out that they gather on one side of the country where there is civil society and on the other side of ukraine where there is no civil society, because there are a lot of countries that we know on g, which means they are

very well developed, maybe economically or financially but they are absolutely not developed in the civil sense of the word. well , there are also many such countries in africa, and i will not say anything about latin america, because i don’t know. is being created, please remember well, i wouldn't somehow identify the big twenty with some bloc. if we talk about the brics countries, then even they are not a bloc, because the path to some kind of integration and military-political-economic integration is far enough already. not to mention the g20 , it is about the fact that there really are such global leaders of china and india who have their own interests, and these interests in some aspects coincide with the collective measure a, for which it is contradicted by others who oppose it due to the exclusion of international

relations, which began not yesterday and not with the war in ukraine, to russify ukraine , uh, this chaos has already deepened so much that these countries are trying to get a bigger piece of the pie in the situation of the destruction of the holy order, and in this way, they are expanding their uh, presence, we saw that under it was here at the g20 that indian prime minister modi presented the new name of the country in harat for the first time, but a lot of western media began to write about the map that is in his office in the office of the parliament, where, in addition to india itself, countries are depicted which are adjacent and this is all called a great character, it includes the ideals of sri lanka and myanmar, and all of this is considered by and large to be india, its lands, its indian world, this is where the unrest begins, because these countries, which are

the flagships of economic development, which are members of the g20, with which collective action should introduce some kind of dialogue, they are now showing, to put it mildly, a position of not only economic but also political expansion, and this cannot but stress their neighbors as well as other participants of the world concert so to speak, mr. vitaly but can there be two conductors? i have never seen such a thing in the history of symphony orchestras and also in the history of mankind when india and china are next to each other . india is a democracy, well, conditional, of course, a discussion is possible here, but definitely china

is not a democrat and they are proportional in the economy, they have a lot of people and they have a lot, so to speak this movement does not have attached movement no reconnection and masha are waving their hands and the same countries that you just said about my pal over there and china is walking around somewhere and says no-no-no wait wait here we also have a small claim what do you say two conductors on this orchestra well this means that it will not be a symphony, there will be a cacophony at least a-a well, if it is on the carphone, then at least there will be disharmony, this is where harmony is now manifested in all international relations , primarily political, economic , military-political, moreover, we are now observing the growth of the military budgets of all

countries are massively arming themselves, strengthening their defense capabilities, modernizing their armed forces, the same india that, until recently, in the last 30 years, did not invest too much in its armed forces, is now modernizing at an accelerated pace if we look at the defense budgets and what india is currently buying what is processed is in fact they are trying well, if not to catch up, then at least how to introduce parities in the types of weapons with china because they are very far from china, especially naval photos he does not even control the indian coastal areas near hindustan itself, it is the kyiv-sea med that dominates there, so the situation is that we are witnessing the fact that now there is no construction of any strategy for the development of humanity, any solution to global problems, but the question is how to establish relations that involve

intensifying competition and so that this competition does not lead to the apocalypse, and we see this in the general we from the g20 declaration, where it is not just soft wording for ukraine. even the wording is unacceptable because it is not russia, which is the aggressor, is mentioned. although there is talk of a war in ukraine, we see that 20 participating countries have already gone as far as the language of compromises, which shows that the situation with the world order is becoming vitaliy, so i have a question for you, i’m afraid. what is the last question, because i’m afraid the answer will take a long time

. let's forget about these problems of europe in our country he is china, this is important for us, and this is all us, us, us, nato, not nato, and i have the impression that now my question is that you now drew one part of the picture when china, india, when armaments, when the decline of russia. and what will the world look like after the russian-ukrainian war, because the world will be absolutely if america is isolated, if india will start disputes with china, if, uh, the transcaucasia is not all right there either, we know azerbaijan, armenian suckers, syria has not moved anywhere on the world map, and so on and so on. ago all of this says that there will be not just something a little different, there will be a fundamentally different world order, what do you say, well, it is obvious that

svitlana was done by others because in uh , tectonic changes began on all continents, in latin america, in africa, we see how coup after coup takes place in the central africa and these coups are not necessarily pro-russian as in gabon , for example. they are against the system that was formed by the same colonial france in the eu, in the territories that they previously controlled economically, we see how the situation will worsen in central asia, how is the situation in the caucasus, how are the processes of aggravation of conflicts in south asia, how did old, outdated territorial disputes arise in latin america and in central america, how is it possible, with the arrival of trump , economic problems and migration problems with mexico, with other american countries, as america would begin to withdraw from a number of regions, and leaving a vacuum there for safety and

not having popular institutions, these basic institutions do not pick up on this situation the security of the modern institutions that exist in the world, they are not able to grasp the situation of security, to be arbiters or to dominate economically and militarily in these regions, and it is obvious that this is a war of all against all. on the other hand, there are forces that are not interested in the fact that the world has entered a situation of war of all against all, such a global global stasis of a global war with each other so that these local conflicts do not turn into a global confrontation , because the main regional leaders are already have acquired weapons of mass destruction or are on the verge of creating them, that is, one step and they will already have them, the war in ukraine accelerates

this situation when that iran, south africa , saudi arabia are already talking about the need to acquire their own weapons of mass destruction and use them in the event of an escalation conflicts. that is, we can still witness such a situation and in this situation , the global elites. i think that they are not too interested in such a world becoming a full reality. what elements of such a world can be a reality. but i think that there will be an attempt restart in that order and even after coming to power, trump will not turn into a full-fledged isolationist, and yet america will be like a decision-making system, like dibsaid, it will participate in global processes, it will not go away from everyone, including and will not leave us to an unconscionable war with russia, yes

mr. vitaly, at the end, i will allow myself to say a little something, why will i allow it, because once upon a time, many years ago, maybe we even talked about this with you, there was such a huge editorial article, valyakh temple - it is so very influential then there was an egyptian newspaper where two-thirds or three-quarters of the article was written devoted to what a scoundrel america is, how we don't like america, how terrible it is, how it makes all the mistakes in the world, that it's just a disaster , it's a disaster, speaking in russian, and the last third or a quarter was dedicated, god forbid, america will close in on itself, the whole world order will be destroyed and we will start fighting everyone with everyone, not only all arabs against one israel and all arabs between themselves and israel, then alliances with israel will begin against someone from the arabs and some such things and

this is what you are saying now. it's all the same. humanity wants to have a policeman. if there is no policeman, then just when nato was in power, america was in power, everyone understood and the second policeman was the soviet union. everyone understood how behave now we are getting to the point where we don't know how to behave or i will spend you have 40 seconds of immunity this should be a supranational structure that will be able to use force against a violator of the world order but this is unlikely the republic is the world government you are talking about they understood, maybe materially, but china will be against it, and there will be russia nearby that they are also against it, but we will definitely talk about it. next time, vitaliy kulyk , the director of the center for researching civil society problems, was in touch with us. now we have advertising, and then let's talk about belarus, and now advertising is difficult

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i will make a little preface about that first for our viewers, we will talk about if the nansin passports were restored after the revolution of the bolshevik coup of the 17th year, many people then went to europe , then the soviet union, that is, lenin banned , well, if the passports were old, in fact, the empires or republics because since the third of march it was already like a republic there, in short, these passports, and in order to get a new one, you had to either go to moscow or st. petersburg, well, in short , no one could get back and get this one either a passport and then the great traveler nansen proposed that there would be such a neutral passport without a stateless passport that people who do not have passports can go somewhere and he was in the nansen committee and was on cholinansen and everyone trusted him, he was a terrible authority in his own right and they issued stateless passports

it was not written which country you are from, just so that you will have a document so that you can travel, drive , get something, order something, and so on and so on. now we know that in belarus there is something like the story of comrade lenin he did it in 17-18 years, yes comrade lukashenko did it more than 100 years later, he also actually cut off belarusians who went somewhere temporarily for a long time, in short, he told everyone your passport is running out, do you want to extend it, please? he came to minsk , definitely because there are 80% of the opposition, yes otherwise, no one is going to go to minsk , and then they don't have a passport, and then the question arises, mr. pavla, my question is whether there are already talks about the revival of the institute of nansin passports, because there are many such people in russia, in belarus, i think in central asia, i think in the transcaucasia, some people are there, well, let's say

azerbaijan is often blamed because there are some human rights violations there , some people are also fleeing from there . sverdlo, yes, well, the belarusians will divide and solve their own problems , we have a whole range of positions. the initiative called the passport of new belarus is already an example for an hour. to tremble, that's why they prepared and this initiative and it is now in the final stage. god, they have already worked on the design, the first patterns that correspond to it. well, you can see that it 's a patcher, yes, there's a degree of defense, there's a watermark, and there, take the codes. yes, but there. what are the first parties? how do you conduct a car there and it understands who you are and what you are?

yes, of course, everything is done. the problem is that what about those who recognize this passport? that man, er, that's it who wrote there, and how did lukashenko do it? he issued his decree that the belarusians will not be under the knife, consular institutions, embassies will pull passports, of course , other countries were not very eager, and no movie of documents, mess with your security system . yes, but now ah the principle is not to lead others yes, as europe did not hold well you are 500,000 of me over time yes and 500,000 people without citizenship i mean only belarusians who left belarus and will not be able to now outside the borders of belarus, europe must be renewed according to sparta in a way, this question is expressed, and here we are on our own initiative

. and how could i. by the way, i want to say that lukashenko turned out to be a little more reasonable than lenin. if that question was praised to me by this guy near these family years, this is this moment , this is when we are talking about 2030, how would there have already been protests in belarus and how i returned and changed my passport to a new one belarusian already for three belarusians copies no yes, but for other people, they have someone once a month ends in this half a year, for whom you raise a platoon, they have problems, this is already perp , well, i think that we will be with a new pashmork, and colleagues, the etipage of portnova belarus if it will work, of course, this experience can be taken by other countries that have problems with democracies and use them

. there were a lot of such countries, there were a lot of them, but for the world, for the aa, for the european union, a lot more , it is agreeable, and we will make one passport for you, well, for people like us, for political observers, for you, the passport of the new belarus should look like this. which i hope means workers, one passport for us, for all of us, there is no difference for belarusians, for krygyz, for kazakhs, for russians , there and so on, which were left for the winter for political reasons. because 500,000 e.e. hundreds of thousands of people without a passport, without citizenship, and the european union definitely does not need it. yes, but here there are people who will sit on this horse again

. i apologize , mr. pavla. to have some belarusian official organization that will sit somewhere, i don't know, in brussels, in warsaw, i don't know where in washington, and it will be and all the rest of the european union, britain, canada, america, short of democracy, the world should say yes, we recognize this organization and if we see the signature of this organization is at the bottom of the passport, then we say yes, this is a valid passport, but for this the belarusians have to create something, agree with brussels with a conditional brussels to say that brussels also has to sign something and they have to become a belarusian leader or a european leader there. yes , we have done everything and now if such

the passport a person receives will be signed by such and such a person. yes, we believe that this is a normal passport. she can drive a car. and i will tell you that i still have a question of krykhbolsk dan, no country that agrees to give its code, well, what formal weather is issued in this passport of belarus as in its own, yes, i saw the office of tikhonovsky pyromova with other countries and i do not say that already there is a country that is ready to publish from there on sparta as its own and maxims , it will be ireland. yes, ireland is also a country with layers of history. and we also have cobs from the former empire and great britain, which presents a colonial

where are the claims, yes, and that's why i don't understand the situation in which the belarusians are. and that's how much it will be. there are already two countries that are already threatened. the future of sparta will recognize that one country will make belarusians feel like their own, and belarusians will have elections from two countries. o devyat, it is possible to live with greek passports from one of the others, so it is possible to travel. well, i don’t drive a cube there. rest there, shopping, eh, and for me, that’s the way to go. yes, like belarusians. i think that we are somehow from a village document yourself on the sausage in detail, yes, it is possible, not only pash partners, belarusians, you can stay in angers, any country, and travel documents, as it is now possible to do this in poland, and here is the one who says belarusian propaganda about it

belarusian propaganda he says, you are now homeless, yes, you have gone for a walk , yes, and we have taken away your sparta, this is the first time, you are useless to anyone there , yes, guests, this is completely inconsistent with reality. it's not a problem, what kind of problem? well, it really interferes with life. yes, i would just say for the audience that ireland is an interesting example , so that they just understand that the first slaves in the world were not black, they were white-skinned, and they were irish, and they were irish who they fell under the foot of the british empire and they understand very well what a foreigner is on their land and this is vika dmytrivalo and there, well, terrible things happened, but keep in mind not african black slaves, but the irish, neighbors of the english

. keep in mind now one more question a- ah ah mr. pavly, this is not what you think. i don’t know if you have any people who live inside in belarus. if this whole wave of the 20s has already fallen, or if these movements of lukashenka annoy people? and worse and worse worse worse and already passports are not this and this is not that and that is not that what do you say? well, every day in our country attracts all the detentions every day they pass here and every day they detain people . this is how the best is done, and people in belarus are more and more happy

they are protesting if, well, no, obviously, but there is a question if and i, it doesn’t change very much , and that’s why belarusians live with this hideous thing together , take it out on the street and it will already do medush bolshe our best because, well, that’s the whole rational machine of repression that lukashenko unleashed of course it works and opposes him because belarusians understand why did he bring a peaceful protest, yes, and you are in the family, we are about to shoot butoxy there, he gives us a pair, amapytsy , eight of them, of course, no one will repeat this question again, this question is very important . that is, you want to say that already among say 100,000 who can go out into the street, there will be 100 people, that is, less than a percentage who are ready to take up arms, because i will tell you frankly, ukrainians are such heroes, but

for many years we were also afraid. it became clear that without this it is impossible to win. there were such people in the 20th year, but each of them was chased away from the crowd. yes, i would not be a connoisseur of protestors. there were people who called, there were people who were ready, but the last ones were not ready . i think that the situation has never changed much, i think that not 100 but 1000 and they will be ready to dismantle the tiles well, even weapons can do it, you know the truth. thank you very much pavlo sverdlo, editor-in-chief of euroradio belarusian service belarus lives and we are moving to new yes eva melnyk will now read tell news read invented no, don’t invent it, she already came up with it with our newsrooms and now

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