[000:00:00;00] mr. yevhen, is it at all normal that he conducts such negotiations outside of, say, the ukrainian position, and is it still possible to implement them , or can the un somehow influence this situation ? i do not negotiate and the negotiations are not conducted by the parties there, maybe with a certain mediocrity of these or other mediators and maybe even the un, but it will not be moonshine , but there will be negotiations. first introduce sanctions against russia and then cancel them, well, that is, if this is the way, she can answer for her words . after that, i talked to the european union

, too. yes, yes, absolutely true, that is, in principle , they are talking about soap operas in general, it’s useless there in principle, it is useless to talk about what is happening now in the situation of those who are trying to balance the market, it is not only turkey, how easy it will be for them to do it in the future, because you see that ordigans - it was successful, but now every year it is more and more difficult for you with each place because it was no longer the case and it will continue to be welcomed and it will continue to be so, that is, in principle, i mean that the more difficult it will be, the more difficult it will be to balance because every time you can call for abstract peace, it is one thing when you have to react already this is another matter and when you, um, start to become a part of this or that side, and in this case, well, relatively speaking, under certain circumstances, a part of these countries can

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of the season and for the next 55 minutes , vitaliy portnikov will comment on the most important topics this week, we will continue, let's say, the topic of the big 20. it is very interesting to hear your position, mr. vitaly, regarding the african republic, because, after all, at rent-ramoda, he emphasized that africa became a permanent member of the g20 and this was at a time when china was not represented as such a leader and russia, this is due to the fact that after all russia is promoting its interests in africa and now india is so south and let's say it is important for the european union to maintain its position, i don't think that russia can promote its interests so seriously that it is somehow er-e from hardening the intentions of other countries to cooperate with the african union, however, one must realize that the african union is an amorphous association, it is not

the european union, it is rather a consultative one the club of american leaders even in those regional unions that have been created on the african continent in recent decades. in fact, there is no unity because some hold these ideas of democratization of other participants in military institutions. so i think that this is a purely formal decision, that is how the european union participates in the 20s yes , the head of the african union can now participate in the twenty - this is to talk about the interests of africa, but this again, i would say this once again emphasizes the amorphousness of the association by and large and the outfit cannot at all be very important achievements at this all the achievements at this summit for him i would say objections to the fact that this is a completely disconnected world and the absence of vladimir putin's sisinpin at this summit demonstrated this i would say absolutely clearly that vladimir putin is true and in the past it was not twenty but the fact that he does not come, we understand the real

reasons, no one in india would have detained him if he had come to yudeli because india has not ratified the roman statutes india radu met the russian president on work held bilateral meetings with him, although it is not always necessary to say that he canceled it himself from russia to india, the president of russia said that he should end this war, but if we imagine vladimir putin in new delhi, he would meet with the following fashion, he would meet with the president of brazil lulu and he would have met with the head of the african union , the president of the comoros called him brother during the tourists themselves in africa, he had everything ok, but putin is necessary, it is necessary he could not bear that he is practically being tortured the same western leaders of which he was a member of the club until 2014 and who until 2022 came to him one by one and convinced him that he did not start the war, and now these people are just

trying to run away from him as if from a sensitive person, and he i think remembered that was with sergey lavrov during last year's twenties at the ball and when he spoke with lavrov at the meeting of the minister of foreign affairs when putin sent him to the twenties themselves by the way, it's interesting that last year we talked a lot about the words present at this summit in general, you noticed him as if he was not there, that is, they tried to keep themselves so that their presence was generally undefined and imperceptible , this says a lot, and all the calls to a completely different story, these diampin, in general , were always at the t-20 itself, this is the first summit to which he did not go and this is a frank demash . of course , it concerns two people. the first is naramodi

. there will be no triumphs in fashion, that if modi wants to look like the leader of the global cock, he needs good relations with china, which do not exist and which have worsened recently, and all the calls, besides, perfectly understood that modi can during this summit, if he comes there, act as a leader of claims about of this united southeast asia, because the day before, china itself, as if specially , published this standard geographical map of its own, where there are geographical claims for territorial claims to everyone to whom it is possible to india to from the countries of southeast asia to russia, everywhere some foreign territories are part of the people's republic of china, this is of course incredible, how to say the art of diplomacy and the roof. we should not think that china did not understand something, they knew exactly what they were doing and they wanted such a confrontation to show that they can afford to publish a map and not come to the summit, and it is certainly not very pleasant for fashion, the absence somehow

shows that canpin can consider some summits for which india has been preparing for years to consider them a secondary political event, india is forced to swallow it well, and secondly, this is such a politician and for whom these calls were going to teach it to biden, the one that biden obviously wanted a bilateral meeting with the president and the head of the people's republic of china, and this meeting did not take place, and that's why showed again that if he doesn't want to, he doesn't meet with the american president, or if he's not going to go somewhere specifically to meet with biden. well, what if biden wants to meet with him? it has to be organized separately, it can't be as if they say between us and that's why it's such a summit of a disconnected world , the world is becoming more and more polarized, and when an outfit in fashion it's hard to call a great democrat walks there in his residence with biden, while putin, carry the bell, is preparing for a new

meeting during the alleged putin's visit to china, of course, this means that there is no security for anyone in the world anymore, that all these international mechanisms do not work, the twenty do not work , the united nations does not work, regional alliances do not work. this is just the world in a state of foreboding some new serious conflicts. i think that, in principle, the war in ukraine, with all its drama, can even be compared with what humanity will have to go through. i think, in principle, that against the background of all these dramatic ones, those that can happen. if it is not possible now, how to stop this trend well, in principle, the war in ukraine will be forgotten in a year or two after the end, because it will be just children's toys compared to what can still be, and this is what is happening that the leaders of global countries that have nuclear weapons are not able to find among themselves

a common language is a death sentence for tens of millions of people, and if it can appear, it is the ability to find a compromise if the world is really very popular. this is probably logical because people have different values, respectively, in nations. to find a compromise. when two of the systems existed, one parallel, the other was the communist system in russia, in china, without private property, without transparency, without uh , how could there be competition, people who lived in the soviet union, not to mention people who lived there in the chinese people's bag, it was generally a poor country there, they still did not understand at all how people live outside of theirs, i would say this baroque you imagine that the soviet people, in principle, looked down on themselves simply as some place where there is more sausage

and cheese and more uh, stuff, all this, what is there, what is freedom , what is there, people there participate in the management of their own country or their own city, no, just not that , why? -is free medicine well, it doesn't even matter what people thought. for the first time in years after the collapse of the soviet union, i see how these former soviet people traveled to the west and they didn't understand anything at all. the only thing we see is oh what a store oh my god i came to germany and there that's all and of course in such a situation in such a situation how to think about the preservation of power or something threatens

this regime that the soviet or chinese did not have and this was the absence of the idea of ​​peaceful coexistence of systems with different social what the soviet communists proposed in the 50s of the 20th century is the government. china did not really believe in it during the times of the zadun. they were preparing for a nuclear war, but then, in principle, it became clear that during the meeting between mao judong and the president of the united states , black-and-white and they can sing in this way again, that's it. well, let's destroy nothing there, we won't fight , we won't want a world revolution, and we're fine here. well, of course, there was and somewhere there the soviet union helped with the national liberation movement , an african country somewhere, the chinese people's the republic allocated money for the mari movement, he distilled it for cars in the situation all over asia , there he is in the name of neysia, only it was possible

to create these communist parties of mine, they created them, but this is not a global conflict, you created about the chinese communist party and we are there conditionally he said to her, they took and killed 50,000 communists with women and children. such was the world. well , they solved the problem right away . fortunately, that does not happen. another absolute problem arises that during this time, both russia and china became a state in fact with a market economy in russia, this market economy is governed by the state, of course, but it is a market in china , it is governed by the communist party , but it is a market, these are all states that are designed so that their non-citizens have enormous opportunities for consumption, the same as in the democratic world, everything is much more the internet is more transparent . yes, they limit it, but there is much more information, and there is always

a danger that when people satisfy their economic desires, they will seek freedom, so up to a certain point, there may still be inertia , as in russia, as in china, that we don’t need it, we can replace freedom first with money, now about putin, it’s an absolutely brilliant move, he replaced freedom with an aggressive war until the time when he will fight with ukraine , er, with others the former soviet republics, he can safely feel it, but listen to these things, even if you imagine the best option for him is that he conquers all of it. imagine from uzhgorod to ashgabat. well, this same territory will also end someday. conquered and further and further, it is necessary to somehow develop the state in the conditions of the isolation of sanctions, it is very much leading to that moment, after all, if the war with ukraine ends quickly on the issue of conquering another territory of the soviet union, this is a matter of a year, i am convinced of you, this is not so difficult because you

you don't see it, it's a completely different population, a completely different army, a completely different elite . can you imagine kazakhstan enduring a year and a half of war with russia? the state of the society that elected power in kazakhstan, such a society still does not exist, it is not a question of fighting the kazakhs, it is a question of fighting president takayev, putin was already thinking of fighting president zelensky here, but the ukrainians came out for him, and i don’t know how it will be in other former soviet republics and democratic republics like georgia, armenia, listen, well, how many people live there ? well, we saw it all after 2008. so, no , ukraine is now protecting these countries from disappearing, i am convinced of you. this is just a shield for for all of them and for those who love us and for those who don't love us, uh, they may not understand it, but it's just such an objective fact , but that's not what i'm talking about. i'm saying that any

aggression sooner or later also ends we need to think about the future, what is the task of moscow and china, and i will leave it to prove that the authoritarian market is the norm, this can only be proven in one way , to destroy democracy, because market democracies and market dictatorships cannot coexist , this is what i said is the main danger of the moment, in principle, we never have such an option considered because we always believed that there could be either an authoritarian dictatorship, a communist one, or a nazi one, well, in fact, there was no real private property in germany, but everyone also understood that it was a full state vertical and it was not a long experiment to understand everything. how long can it last sometimes democracy market democracy and authoritarian planned there communist economy how can market democracy and market

dictatorship coexist for a long time we just never knew and we i think we are just approaching the apotheosis i don't i am sure of these things, that it can seriously be said that it can exist, by and large, the struggle of russia and ukraine. if you remove the national moment . if you remove these imperial ambitions. market democracy is corrupt well, as often happens in cricket economies, it is not underdeveloped, as often happens in countries that came out only with a planned economy , provincial because all the time the empire oppressed all this is possible, there are many of them. to invent, but the essence is that this is a market democracy, a change of power in the economy, competition between oligarchs and ordinary people, who , speaking only conventionally, were forced to leave

some of their broken cities there, and here they once two or three opened shops, opened coffee shops, opened some service and work in russia people are not completely used to this, but in any case, even if they do it , they know that they have a vertical there , which is why it is necessary to transfer it to the top, and that's the way it is, and by and large it cannot not to conflict, so in principle, i think that, objectively speaking, these are absolutely normal processes. someone has to win, which model of co-founding, well, we see that there is none, everyone tried, you remember, the west tried to cooperate all the time and from china placed all its productions there, this it was like that, about the idiocy of the highest class, imagine we have monsters like the mask that depends on the polidurot of the central committee of the chinese company, as well as chinese billionaires, because if half of tesla is produced in china, then

why are we surprised that musk decides what happened the links should not help us free the crimean crab well, this is his behavior logically and that is why the republic of china in taiwan is saying listen to how we will communicate with our army through the links but he will simply stop all this because to him his chinese business is his relations with the political bureau of the party central committee are more important than any democracy, and this was the first such democracy. i would say that lenin once said that it is necessary that a capitalist is ready to sell you this. hang it only if you will pay well, then here is a beautiful example of this history for and western attitude towards china well , but they tried it was stupidity number one stupidity number 2 from which they uh now get rid of

but it is too late energy dependence on uh of the russian federation. that is, she was already able to talk about germany. they hoped that with this cooperation, they would force a tiger to eat yogurt. this is what they tried to feed putin with. which start for themselves there is some tiger or lion at home and the tiger or lion wants meat all the time there are some rabbits in some eh eh i don't know bifsteksiya they come please for a little bit and a cheese casserole and we are for this to our beloved type here this guy looked at the toy and she and putin played this game all the time almost until 2014. in 2014, she makes a discovery . it turns out that he is crazy, but not normal . that is, you are crazy, you just don't understand, and even after that she still tries to him

, you know how a fakir with a pipe, i understand what he already eats meat, but maybe he can somehow be hypnotized by the northern current , you can go fishing with strawberries, fish love worms. she began to shake to the bone in the last days , you remember she didn't have enough nerves. imagine her when she understands the full scale of what can happen, that she will be told that she is responsible for this, on the one hand she understands that she can hold back all these idiots in moscow , but she doesn't have the strength, and here she is resigning, and all at once. bah, this whole house made of paper, it immediately catches fire. well, as it should have been, but she's not the only one. i don't want anything especially the angels, merkel says they all acted like that, barack obama , to me, some sarcasms who still tell me that we need to find a common

language, they were all playing with fire absolutely exactly, and now we have reached the action, will it be unleashed by the third world war or by some kind of economic collapse of china and russia, and to prevent the third world, mr. vitaly, we should agree on the usa, china or the usa, china, russia, and in general, we don’t need russia, china to collapse economically, and think about it, how to appease the hungry population that will storm the kremlin or the seasonpean residence, there are no other options, the city if they will collapse economically but for this you need to make efforts, it will be such a blow to the western economy that it will not be able to withstand very much either, but i hope that the economy in a democratic world is capable of such a thing of course, the recovery itself, the exchange rates will fall, there will be many more poor people, populist regimes will appear in many

countries, populist regimes will not expel migrants, they will kill migrants, but there will be peace, well , there will be certain civil conflicts in europe, the european union may collapse, but there will be peace there will be an atomic war, there will be a kind of moderate reaction , well, that is, it's not important, you already know. it's better to be, er, er, you know a lot, my dear, healthy than sick and poor, but here you have no choice but to be well, let's say yes to the healthy and the poor, and this is the real option that the world can get if the economy of the dictatorship collapses, but so far it is not visible, of course zalbin is in a difficult situation now, you can see that he is nervous , the chinese economy is not recovering, he is not easy there is some emperor, he is the general secretary of the party's central committee, why is he explaining to his members of the politburo and the central committee why they re-elected him for a 30-term term? well, we re-elected you. we agreed, you

are responsible for everything. putin's nerves are in the same situation, he has recorded that he will rule russia until 2036, we are not in charge, we are all very satisfied, you are our national leader, and what the hell is going on in our country. the question is that both of them are 70 years old. putin will be 72 already this year. this is already a serious year. this year or the next . well, it roughly means that there is not much time . that is why they are in such a state. the situation is a dangerous situation if we succeed we in to live peacefully until their until or until their economic destruction of their regimes or until their physical death, but it means that we have passed away. we have such a critical moment right now , you know the critical days, how are they? so , will it be possible to survive them? how long will they

last? the question is if we survive , we will find out. you know, it was the year 1976, somewhere in 1976, when uia zedun died and with him all the top leaders of the people's republic of china, john line , jude, and then almost immediately. within a few years, the leaders of the communist party died of the soviet union, berezhnev, andropov, chernenko, the wall, and so on. consider that we buried them all again, and we were carried away because it was already not very safe at that time, because all these regimes were degrading, and we were led by old weak people with incredible ambitions who made mistakes so, in recent years, judo is the best years in the history of china. the last years of brezhnev are the war in afghanistan, and the only way out of the situation to save themselves was for them to die, as stalin died in 53. well, if they had just saved themselves

, they would not have died, i think that the scale of what i had to survive if he stays alive because he doesn't even imagine. well, now are you waiting for a new, uh, new blow in dvirka , because yes, and then after the new leadership of russia and the new leadership of china appear, i can already tell you that we we breathed our last and now we are discussing what can be done next in this decay , so far it is not so pleasant, even china is more faithful to chinese bloggers and a singer who sang katyusha and a russian song yes, yes, yes . on the ruins of the mariupol drama theater why was it all and for what purpose why you wonder well, in china, a huge part of society is pro-russian and anti-american . for this huge part of society, it is