[000:00:00;00] fm galicia italy-ukraine on megogo at the legendary san siro stadium, our national team will impress the italian audience with a bright game, watch the super match of the euro-2024 selection on september 12 at 25 on the me- when the pain squeezes the back archeoplaster with lidocaine for wild back pain 20% in podorozhnyk vam and oshchad pharmacies offer a 10% discount on painkiller trio forte at podorozhnyk bam and oschad pharmacies, the lost homeland is the shores of horishni, the former village of boykivske. on january 1, 1939, the village had 790

inhabitants, of whom 750 were ukrainians. june 12, 1946 ukrainian population was forcibly deported to the ussr, animals disappeared ukrainian village on the banks of the sian in 1939 the village had 960 inhabitants 900 ukrainians lived in the village in 1947 as part of the vistula operation the inhabitants were evicted from the village burned apple trees ancient ukrainian village in the foothills of the western beskids in the village as of 38 600 people lived there for a year, of which 562 were ukrainians, some were deported to the ussr, some were deported to the north of poland, the village ceased to exist. in general , more than 800 villages and towns with a ukrainian population of almost 700,000 were evicted in the republic of poland ukrainians were deprived of their small homeland forever. this is the 23rd separate rifle battalion of the armed forces of ukraine. now we are already in such a significant salient. and in fact , we are holding the defense at the very edge of this

salient . drones lead to development and destroy the enemy even on the approach, we take the approach every drone is the lost enemy and the saved life of our soldier , join the gathering, we will show our fighters that we are next to them, we continue our saturday political club and our guest now is igor eisenberg, a professor at new york university. congratulations, igor, and let's talk. let's talk about the results of the visit of a state secret of the united states to kyiv, because many different assessments, including contradictory and russian disinformation, have already been included in gorynka in fact and i didn’t bring a billion and i didn’t bring it, and all this is of no great importance . what idea do you have about the meaning of this trip? well , i don’t have a very positive idea at all, and from

the ownership of the fact that the american media in particular, i mean television, before all such good channels as signanta msn, they covered in great detail the visas of the secretary of state to ukraine, and usually the news of the visit of the secretaries of state abroad is either not covered at all, or yes, somewhere, somewhere, a couple of words were said. there were hmmm reports from kyiv, well, linked, e-e, an interview with ms. andrews, a correspondent who is in ukraine , not only from kyiv, when he was a berry farmer in chernihiv oblast, and there was a report from there and what he said there, american tv viewers had an opportunity to hear this. in other words, i think that the meeting was important from all points of view, because it is not only an opportunity to communicate even with

the leaders of ukraine and to discuss things that um probably cannot be discussed even through protected communication channels a-a and and an opportunity to agree on a position before uh. i understand that president zelenskyi is going to new york for a general meeting of special bodies and to participate in a meeting of the un security council, that is , they should agree on positions, there will definitely be a meeting between zelenskyi and biden and they could prepare what will happen at this meeting, they could agree on what other help ukraine really needs right now in the medium and long-term perspectives that well, in my opinion , two more things are very important. blinken himself noted when speaking to journalists that what happened a detailed discussion of the security guarantees that the united states should provide to ukraine regarding

these negotiations will continue; the second concerns the fight against corruption and oligarchization of structures in ukraine and i think that there is still, of course, none of us have any evidence, but here is the case against kolomoiskyi, which was opened literally on the eve of the film's visit to , and also immediately after the end of the visit, there is one more case. what is this not a coincidence of circumstances? that this happened, i think that there is a great influence from the united states and blinkin, in particular, if you and i remember his first trip to ukraine, when he became the secretary of state at the beginning of may 21 , well, he literally only without naming

kolomoiskyi's last name, well, so transparently hinted that until the separation of power from the oligarchs does not happen, the separation of power from the oligarchs will not happen, the end of the oligarchs ' politics will not happen, ukraine will not be able to move to the west, he then even used such terms that ukraine is fighting against russian external aggression, fighting for fight the aggression of the oligarchs with internal aggression. well , on the eve of that visit, blinking introduced sanctions against kolomoisky, that is , it took more than two years in ukraine from of that time in order to start persecuting kolomoisky. i think that this is another very important consequence of this trip. it is very interesting , in fact. did the americans react face -to-face? so far, look, you and i don't know eternity

. i think that's because the americans understand very well who should do what and who should do what ? i think that eternity was definitely said because the united states very, very carefully monitor what is happening. because there are always such and such demands on ukraine that without independent anti-corruption bodies, that they work effectively, because in independence, the court of ukraine will not be able to meet the criteria of either the european union or nato, although directly it is not mentioned in any of the founding documents of nato. well, the de-factors are the criteria for joining nato. i just don’t want it to be a show execution before the visit to biden. i will definitely come with you later, if we continue the topic of oligarchs, it seems to me that now elon musk plays a much more serious role than the 10 kolomoisky ones, including in world politics

, and after the great analysis in the new yorker dedicated to the role of elon musk in politics , in particular, in the war with there were unexpected confirmations of this role, in particular, the biographer mask made public the absolutely incoherent second participant in the correspondence of ilon mask with the vice prime minister of ukraine fedorov on the issue of shutting down stalin. by the way, it became absolutely obvious that ilon decides to the masses providing assistance to ukraine, where the ukrainian armed forces can act and where they cannot , and this is a very disturbing moment, completely with you later ilona's mask is extremely negative. i know many people who love him for electric cars and for his space flights he made a lot of investments and

contributed to the fact that the company that i own contributed to technical progress in this case, his role, i would say, is not even just negative, destructive, he can have an absolutely devastating effect on world politics , i would know, i would compare here is what he does let's say with the fact that he refused to include e-e on the ser-link service so that he acted over the crimea so that ukrainian drones could hit the russian black sea fleet , i would compare this attitude to his policy to the attitude of trump when he had a meeting with putin in helsinki and that's how he tried to make putin like putin so that putin likes what he says what he does that's what you do too musk i think even that musk uh in this case he plays a more destructive role because that trump after all

he was the president, he had certain certain frameworks within which he could act , for the mask of the framework there is nothing, but if you don't want to where he is a monopolist, you won't do it, given his absolutely right-wing political views, because he is very he is close to the treaty of the right-wing parties, so this kind of affection is the same as that of trump towards such dictators as putin, and his business interests, which he has in russia and in china, and his role can be very destructive, therefore, the united states as a state must be taken care of about what to do with it a in order for there not to be a monopoly, let's say, access to satellite internet, it is necessary to immediately uh, at the legislative level . this needs to be dealt with in order for there to be competition . by the way, the administration or he or she has already called on other companies working in the same

field so that they at least some kind of development was started so that there would be an alternative service so that musk would not be a monopolist , i think that the role is very destructive and it will be even more destructive if he has no competitors and if there are no legislative measures that will limit what he does well, you know, we always said, we complained about the ignorance of the post-soviet oligarchs, so they made some money there, some stole it, but they are people without any systematic education, so they are probably from the soviet union with this pseudo education , who were never interested in anything, and that's right with such an education, they entered the world of big business and do not understand anything, but they think that they can talk about something, everything, something, everything, because they have billions of dollars, but i have the impression that it is a lubricant same problem, he obviously lacks education, here you are talking about views. and it seems to me that he simply behaves as such a frank, ignorant, he may have

technological business thinking, but he does not understand at all what he is talking about when he talks about the russian-ukrainian war about china and ivan it seems that he has not read 10 books in his life. i thought that he read so few books. maybe he read books, uh , some kind of engineering and technical books on business. i think that he did not read stagnant books at all. because obviously he doesn't understand this at all. he thinks that he is the smartest, the most educated , nike are smart or uh, they did this to you, this is very dangerous. but still, he has very right-wing political views. probably because of your lack of education in history and politics, it is very dangerous. he cannot become the president of the united states. because he was not born in the united states, but he has such an influence on american world politics

and on world events, and he can be very and very destructive and therefore it is a united state, what should be done about it, either with the teacher or with the congress? i think that it is impossible to do it because, uh, the congress is divided in one chamber by the majority of democrats, uh, in the other , republicans, i will never reach an agreement because many representatives will like us, the republican majority will always like what the mask does, but it is absolutely necessary to do something with you in the future, because it will be more and more destructive to the dangerous meeting of the top twenty - this is a very important igorev summit. how do you think joseph biden felt? well, let's say that the king of this is precisely because all the dna was not vladimir putin, as well as his

main rivals . it is still necessary to help ukraine and stand together against the russian federation as a terrorist country. i thought that due to the lack of land and putin, biden had a greater opportunity to communicate with the leaders of those countries of the global south who 20 or more opportunities have already been presented to talk to them about what you're talking about. i don't know if he succeeded . i think he's at least being made to do it because he kept trying to do it. i in particular and uh, he had again the opportunity to communicate with the premiership of mini-mode eh, but if we proceed from this declaration, as ukraine has already published 20, then i think that the majority of these countries already have 20, which are eh democratic countries, that is, which is not included in

7 and also well already 20 minutes, let's say australia and south korea are already seven years old and are not indisputably democratic countries, the majority of other countries continue to be in the same positions in which they were sitting on two arrows. they have their own interests, and based on this declaration, what is it like? which is completely neutral, but it is weak, there is no condemnation of russia, although it is certainly expected that the community of countries that russia is a part of will condemn russia. it was not to be expected , but i think that the majority of uh, one thing is not absolutely democratic or non-democratic the countries that have already entered 20 are the countries of the global rooster that have already entered 20, they remained in their positions a-a although

, of course, biden tried to talk to them , as he always does. it was created when there was a crisis in 2008. well, then they decided that the most economies of the world should communicate more with each other in order to prevent the recurrence of such global crises , and already 20 were formed against this background, but in the g20 includes countries that have very, very different interests, and what is the most important country with completely different values , that is, on the one hand, all countries or 7 , as well as other democratic countries, such as south korea and australia, on the other hand , include many countries of the global association. that is, it is such a platform for conversations, but it is hardly possible to expect that all

countries with very, very eh and whose values ​​are very different, that they can, in a political sense , reach something really common eh and how we we can see what this summit ignored today. well, and because he may have his own significant disagreements with fashion, and because he did not want to give more advantages to fashion, because there is tension in china and india the border is constantly e-e alley through another because china i think he is focused on expanding the brics at the expense of mainly the countries of the global south at the expense of the inclusion of those african countries , that is, expanding its sphere of influence and yet it turns out that the world is more uh

is divided into the democratic world and the non-democratic world into such a traditional dissolved democratic world and the non-democratic world, well, which one of the countries globally buys that we can't say that brazil or india, i'm not a democracy by my countries, er, or modern argentina, but these are countries that belong to those countries that we call the global rooster and their values ​​and their worldviews, you will say that these worldviews are different and to combine the worldviews of traditional and traditional democracies and these countries is difficult because it is difficult to expect some joint significant political decisions from this group, thank you and hope for peace professor of the university of jura and now our expert-director of the center for middle eastern studies ihor stormilos , congratulations mr. ihora, congratulations to you, congratulations good evening well, let's continue the topic of the meeting of the twenty premiers

the minister of india, in the rendering of modi, said that the adoption of a joint declaration by the countries of the twenty at the finish line is a huge achievement, and i think that he meant that, in principle , the participants of the meeting were not ready to adopt any declaration yes, it was adopted and there is a mention of the war against ukraine and the prime minister of india can consider this to be a diplomatic achievement. and the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine believes that the 20s should hardly be proud of this document, who is right, well, both, yes how old ravi said, and because actually, you can be proud of the fact that a declaration was accepted in a situation when, well , there was really a threat that any declaration could not be accepted because of the marshal of

certain countries and from ukraine is not on the other hand i am satisfied that the term will not be used, which are used in this declaration , do not correspond to reality, that is, in this case, i think that and this is exactly the story with the so-called compromise when everyone's dissatisfaction. more to convince prime minister modi of the need for joint solidarity, which, after all, we expect too much from india and underestimate its readiness to balance between southern measures, let's say so, i want to remind in general, the history of india, and in order not to dig deep, i can say that india is one of the leaders of the non-aligned countries. yes, and which cooperated quite effectively with the soviet union , the united states of america, great britain, therefore , in principle, they continue their tradition , their politics, trying to balance well, and

getting the maximum moron from this it is clear that india has its own reservations, there are its own dangers, and there is also a clear idea of ​​who is cooperating with whom. on their side or on his side, actually, there was such a complex configuration, it did not arise today, but passed, as you know, very much from the present, independent of the moment, the fact that on the render-mode he did not invite ukraine to the summit as a guest, and yet they talked about this probably shows that they are interested in continuing and increasing cooperation with the russian federation. however, we saw that according to the agreements of modi and biden, on the contrary, india plans to cooperate in the defense industry. with the united states, in particular, it allowed

ships to be repaired on its territory of the us navy and plans to purchase drones from the americans, does this not contradict india's policy towards russia, or can they balance like that? no, it does not contradict. i think that these circumstances arose in the context of the russian-ukrainian war, where russian weapons actually showed its ineffectiveness, and therefore it is clear that no one is going to buy bad weapons, ineffective weapons , which means, accordingly, it is necessary to look for new, uh , new manufacturers that have actually proven their effectiveness. one of such manufacturers is, without a doubt, the united states of america and the development this cooperation is absolutely logical if russia can offer some cheap options . well, there are no weapons for other cooperation, then please . here you indians will also actively refrain from joining, and the only question

is this. well, we have already seen active cooperation regarding oil and e-e between india and in russia, where the sale took place in indian hands, and we know that the problem with the rotation of the lion copy, which remained the driver's bank, and russia with the last one , i cannot buy anything for this group, well, that is, there may be purely technical problems that russia's cooperation with india is being reduced to a certain extent. well, the key role is clearly played by the ineffectiveness of russian weapons not during the war. let's talk about the caucasus , because today is really so unexpected. i would say events. on the escalation between armenia and azerbaijan, what was it called , yes, what an expected event, and here is the fact that , by and large, the prime minister of kittens today spoke with the president of france

, maneri macron, and the federal chancellor, olaf scholz, secretary of state, e.e., anthony blinkery, even talked to the president of iran, ibrahim raisi , but he did not talk to any of the russian leaders about this situation and to each of his interlocutors . to be a mediator in such negotiations, what is going on? i think it is worth reminding that although we made a statement that the russians are planning to stage a coup in armenia , no, this statement is at least sensational, yes a and in general, this is a very sharp turn of armenia towards the west. well, maybe it was expected to a certain extent, but it was really quite unexpected from the point of view of the speed with which it is happening, and it seems to me that

the kitten found himself in a situation in which well, there are few traditional ways out for him, so he appeals, in principle, to the west, he is ready to offer, offering practically um , uh, to change vector, uh, political vector, it will be difficult to do, frankly, and achieve in the conditions that exist in armenia, well, it is practically impossible if there is russian troops and similar, but well, the attempt is not bad, the attempt is not bad, and it clearly shows that very interesting processes are taking place within the political class in armenia. and armenia is planning to conduct joint training with the united states, and this is also quite so sharp, the russians are complaining in the kremlin like no other yes, that is, in principle, serious, but the russians help armenia a lot there, financially and militarily, of course they do so until

a certain moment, but they still count on the help of the west to remind us that the russians actively sold weapons to ukraine yes, and azerbaijan, and i believe that, especially there, diana did it for 15-16 years. they started quite actively there, or rather, from the 18th year , he switched more to turkey, but until this moment, in principle, it was part of such a policy. the left precisely because of the involvement of russia, er, closer to the beginning of the position, it is quite effective to say that armenia also had russian weapons, but, well, if the second world war revealed it, it was ineffectively compared to the azerbaijani one, although here, er, you know the reasons for the strikes of the skanders, which were not didn't want to

a lot of other things, hence the criticism of the kitten. we of the russian weapons were also public if they insulted the russians very much, and that's why. well, it's me. i'm just the only one. everything is fine . is it not too late ? is it not too late? it is possible that he is counting on the fact that he will provoke the moscow opposition or some forces in this way. and actually the counterattacker will be able to defeat them before they prepare and try to overthrow him in any case. armenia in the visua region looks bright well, yes, it is very riffed about the fact that the wife of pashamyyan has arrived in kyiv. this is also a signal for this summit lady gentlemano, as was held by mrs. zelensky there, by the way,

if we talk about her arrival and in general, the performance there, let’s just say, the part of zabytskaya was not very well received. it’s this visate visa performance , and evaluating it as , well, it’s not a friendly one , but in general. we can not to mention the visit of the head of the ministry of foreign affairs of japan, that masa hayashi, who met with our president volodymyr zelenskyi, visited kyiv for the first time before the full-scale auto invasion , mr. igor, as for japan, volodymyr zelenskyi said that we will try to agree on security guarantees from this country, is it possible, and in which country in general in what tonality, let's say, are our relations with this country now? well, our tonality is good , i.e. positive. you can say that

it is developing quite economically, the only thing is that on the security guarantee from japan, well, so far it looks like this it is somewhat difficult because japan is the mother of security guarantees from the united states of america. but if we talk about financial assistance, technical assistance, that is, i doubt japan is a very, very important partner . as far as, in principle, we can now talk about the danger that the west will go towards russia when we are talking about the black sea grain initiative, this is also important, we often discussed it with questions , it seemed that the president of afghanistan went to nowhere with no one and nothing. the negotiations are secret, there are new new proposals

, you know, i think that it is clear that the bad guy should radiate optimism, because if he radiated pessimism, then after the negotiations , even the turkish press noticed it, and since he is a tourist, the press did not notice it accordingly, the reaction to those negotiations is only positive , if actually not bad, in relation to the other proposals that were made. thank god, the nigger, the bad hotel, does not make decisions, yes, the decisions are made by other people who, uh, consult with ukraine, who will only make decisions that will be accepted by ukraine, so it seems to me that the content of this is so