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who have information and shape public opinion, people who defend ukraine and create the future, the main and interesting thing in the program is the verdict serhiy rudenko from monday to friday at 20:00 repeat at 12:10 dear friends we are returning to avatar andriy saichuk lesya vakulyuk in this studio we work for you and in this hour we will remember a person and let's talk about what kind of loss this is for ukraine and how great it is about ihor kozlovsky , a scholar of religion, a kremlin prisoner who died suddenly . he himself from donetsk died suddenly in kyiv.

a victim of russian aggression, and in fact igor is also a victim of russian aggression, he did not die from a rocket, but what the russians did when they captured him, what the collaborators did when they captured him, when they locked him up and when they muzzled him there, it could not be affect his health because he did not live to live to be 70 years old, a few months, this is a huge loss for all of us, how big is it, we will talk about it now with gene and kherson , co-coordinator of the movement, we are a european, and also with a student of ihor kozlovskyi and with radomir mokryk, ukrainian historian, cultural researcher, researcher at the institute of east european studies at the philosophical faculty of charles university in prague, eh, welcome, gentlemen, to our office. good afternoon, you know when igor kozlovsky passed away, everyone started writing

any memories of him, people who knew him well, people who didn't know him very well, people who maybe didn't know him at all, but everyone remembers him in such a way that he is a man who always had a smile on his face, despite what this person had to go through, share with your memories, what do you remember about igor kozlovsky, who was he for you , we will probably start with mr. yevhen, because as a student of igor kozlovsky, you probably have some more memories of life in donetsk. personally a heavy loss i could never even to think that something like this will happen and we won't see each other again, well, it was very sudden , it's death, and we've known each other since i was 18 years old, and in fact, ihor anatoliyovych became for us with the person who led us

to the world of freedom. he then worked as the head of the committee in of religious affairs under the donetsk regional administration, and his office was the very place where all free-thinkers from donetsk gathered, and i don't remember how i got there, but it became the basis for my future life, in general, my professional orientation , the fact that i went to study at religious scholar faculty only thanks to the fact that i saw igor and saw a person who is real and he is a real scientist, a real spiritual teacher and saw a person who can organize an entire university in donetsk, an entire faculty and thus my life has changed a lot and this is how i wrote about it that this is my today's letter of gratitude to the other world , because it is very difficult to measure it and it is ihor who in those years, well, post-soviet ukraine had a very difficult time with regional freedom, and it was

donetsk that was the gateway to ukraine where everyone came religious creeds of all denominations of all countries of the world. it was because of him that he was a person who easily issued invitations to ukraine to everyone. everyone who wanted to came and this pluralism is will is freedom. it was everything for us, for us, in fact, children, and i want to tell you that my worldview was largely formed through the same office or through the same faculty of religious studies that i graduated from in donetsk, the faculty where he was the dean in 1993-1994, look. that is, it was a long time ago, it was 30 years ago, and imagine what it is like there was a cell of freedom and a cell of er well, i call it the free thought of ukraine at that time, you know, i think that it is possible that someone now who watches us on tv and he can say

, you know, every day we hide a lot of people at the front and we now let's say about some civilian whom we may not know very well and so on. and we just spoke before that with oleksandr yabchanka, who is also now counting on recovery after the second wound. he is a person who volunteered to go to war on this one, and i want to say that we had such a phrase that there is people the loss of which is within a generation and cannot be restored later. and here i am in front of radomir's number. i wanted to say that there is also something that now connects the history of mr. kozlovsky and the history that radomir is researching, the history of ukrainian dissidents because actually, mr. kozlovsky, it so happened that he is, in fact, he is also he is a person who is well, not a dissident, it is probably wrong to say

, but a person who went beyond the walls, well, in fact , the newest newest, i don’t know such a thing in the soviet system, this kalbi system, and well yes, do you really understand the loss of ihor kozlovskyi is a colossal blow for ukraine and for ukrainian society i think that it is really not worth it, you know , to compare the value of different lives, yes, somehow, these are the things that cannot be measured, ihor kozlovskyi really was not just scientists. first of all, this is an outstanding scientist, religion is with us - this is actually this

experience, the experience of imprisonment . moral authority on some kind of road sign for a-a for a lot of people i think who discovered it for themselves after 2016-17 years er-er. that is, this is a very multifaceted personality, no doubt there will be a lack of comparisons, as a matter of fact, with a dissident movement well, of course, what is suggested here is indeed a certain pair in the sense that ihor kozlovsky was a political prisoner, so although er, well, the context is somewhat different . so we are talking about the fact that at that time the russian-ukrainian war was already de facto taking place and ihor kozlovsky was on was well considered an enemy for the so-called so-called dpr, for russia

, respectively , and so on, but i think that uh, this is uh, this is an experience from which we can learn. to learn from him, and this is, i think, the most important thing is that we, uh, reconsidered the legacy of uh, these people, and here we made some useful useful conclusions for ourselves, mr. volodymyr, you had uh, uh, one meeting with igor kozlovsky, but you also wrote on facebook your memories that this conversation is so you on i got the impression that you included it in the book that was published in the czech republic a few months ago. what is it about llc that you remember most of all that characterizes ihor kozlovsky, in order to explain, for example, to people in ukraine who may not know who this person is

, who is he? in fact, we really only saw each other once, that is, i can say that i was really lucky to agree on this meeting, we talked for several hours , we talked a lot in my daughter's language, he talked about his work ukrainization let's say yes to the region, which lasted for decades, let's talk about your family and, of course, we couldn't avoid talking about uh, about his imprisonment, uh, and that really struck me because that's how it sounded today, how did a person manage to remain a good light, so somehow, so profoundly light , despite the horrors that mr. igor went through, and he told me exactly this thing that touched me the most in this conversation, it

was when he talked directly about torture about about this experience of imprisonment and he called himself a debtor of love so he talked about the fact that he was aware of the fact that people loved him and supported him and prayed for him and he felt indebted to him directly the duty to pass on this love. then he talked about the fact that they are related , well, it can't even be called a prison, it's these basements of the so-called dpr, he still tried to spread love further, so he talked about how he shared bread with others prisoners as he tried to support prisoners and i think that this requires some

kind of incredible inner strength, so what kind of strength did he have, and this is a colossal lesson, so a person can , should he feel more responsible, and even for such a complete in catastrophic conditions to remain a person and spread love, so it is, well, it was impressive just to hear this story of his, this is his attitude to this situation , ihor kozlovsky's memories of his imprisonment are also such a very telling moment when he was interrogated in a cell alone which was tight, damp, dark, some kind of hole in the wall, which once supposedly was some kind of window to the world, and a hole in the floor, and he said that the sewage very often went up through this hole

, and the rats came out in terrible conditions, and in order not to be agitated in those conditions, he lectured those blinds for that in order to preserve his human humanity in those inhumane conditions, he spent almost two years, yes, almost two years there, mr. evgeni, ihor kozlovskyi was arrested for reciting a prayer for ukraine on the street , we see the pictures again and again i focus on the fact that he was always a smiling person, a very delicate, well-educated, you talk about what he was like, what, what, how much he was bullied. did he pose such a huge threat? in my opinion, people who lived in donetsk in that moment. in my opinion, he had a lot of enemies among the supporters of the so-called russian measure, and in particular among

the supporters of the moscow patriarchate, with whom , due to his religion, significant activity, he was never friends and his relations with them were always very tense and they are just like an influential person in donetsk and they him. they were afraid of him as an influential person and in this way they just wanted to destroy him and through denunciations. well, one of them wrote a denunciation and so to speak. and you know he was accused of storing explosives in some kind of preparation - preparation of terrorist acts , that is, absolutely something that he could never do in his life and was not going to do, but it was revenge for the years when they could not do anything with him , could not use the administrative resource to do anything

they could not publicly enter into a polemic with him . he was always smarter, higher and more humane than everything that the russian world imagines to be. works with the consciousness of children, in fact, well, if that's the case, let's figure out why this person died. so in occupied izyum , and this is actually the moment that remembers, as volodymyr vasylenko said, that's actually the author , the author of the declaration on state sovereignty and he is reasoning why ukraine could not imitate there, let's say there, imitate lithuania there, for example, and so on, because the movement is the union , they established the prime minister by analogy, and so on . he says that in principle, ukraine as of 1989 is actually there was a lot of the national elite. that is, of course, she was very, very, very small kutsa and it consisted mostly of writers, poets

, cultural figures, etc., who somehow had to survive and live under the soviet, well, terrible repressive machine, and i, in fact , play the role of such people as ihor kozlovsky in general, in the principle of this intellectual elite, it seems now that it may be a little underestimated in this war, because now the war is going on, it is cruel, it is decided on the field of god, if you think about him, you can simply say that he taught it in the 80s of the xx century in donetsk. that is, this man is not accidental in the history of ukraine and his legacy is colossal when all this will be well when we will tell all this and his students are different and all these books will be published it will be very interesting he taught it in the soviet union

where, in general, any occupation with similar practices , well, they seemed to be at least anti-soviet mm. not to mention that they could be hostile and he works as an administration official. he taught at the same time. he somehow managed to hold on and was not repressed. let’s just say, but he was not a cabinet person. was a bureaucrat and somehow raised himself and created himself, this is this and is the biggest miracle, and when i wanted to say that when we talk about torture, let's not dehumanize those people who work in prisons, because it doesn't matter to them who to torture or kozlovsky or someone else when a person gets there, all of them go through it just like the guards who tortured jesus. they also did not understand his worldly significance because they are simply well, they are also unfortunate people who got into unfortunate

conditions and that does not take away from them of responsibility, but we, that is, these are the terrible conditions created by the russian peace. let's say that where there is a russian peace, there is torture, blood, death and abuse of very good people. the latter with ihor kozlovsky and he asked why god allowed this war in ukraine and he answered i quote the sacrifice that is happening now is the sacrifice of the growth of the establishment of a civil nation as a living being and any living being when it grows up must realize the price of its formation from the point of view theology this is a special - a special call from god and it led him to sacrifice his deep love in order to give something to the world

, an example was shown by mr. radomir himself, an example that was shown by people who in essence were like you can also unite them under this line, were they anti-soviets or were they hunted down by the system or not hunted down what evgeny just said, but this is what united them, they were people or there are people who are still alive among us, these people who just have another the moral code from the very beginning is actually a history of dissidence. so it is primarily a moral and ethical story, which simply within the framework of the soviet system, one way or another, a person who followed some internal ethical conviction automatically turned into a political position, in fact that is, uh, this is extremely important, because these people, well, ideally, they uh, they keep

society at some quality level , relatively speaking, they don't let uh, well, they don't let them somehow fall below some kind of permissible uh things, i think what exactly is it that you talked about, about the role of such people as dissidents or like igor kozlovsky from this generation er-e hm actually their role consists in er-e well in some kind of training ot p igor er-e the same conversation we are many they talked about his activities because he carried out simply colossal educational activities for tens of years, he constantly held meetings and lectures there, and he always emphasized that it was important for him not just to be there so that they, so to speak , learned something, and that these students became deep people, so that

they went to the depths, that is, he them while he was looking for confessions, he gave a story or something like that , he looked for this humanity and tried to awaken it in people, i think that this is terribly important, and this is also by the way, this the approach somehow reminds many dissidents of the same evge, for example yes, that is, this educational activity is based on moral and ethical principles - this is what we need in ukraine and it is worth appreciating. thank you yevgeny kherson, student of igor kozlovsky, co-founder of the movement, we are europeans, radomyra mokryk, ukrainian historian, cultural researcher, researcher at the institute of east european studies at the faculty of philosophy of charles university in prague, were with us. thank you, friends, for being with us. andriy sachuk and lesya vakulyuk worked in this studio for you this week, i remind you about

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applies to monuments of cultural heritage , on july 23 in odesa, a russian rocket hit the main temple of the city, it suffered significant damage, especially the roof, the rocket went through all floors of the building, now workers engaged in repair work , which includes covering the damaged roof in order to protect the temples from rain and other precipitation at the time of the explosion, the entire roof was damaged , the entire roof, the entire roof, and all the copper is in the conservation process today. membrane to protect the cathedral from rain, the city authorities , justifying the not very fast pace of restoration, refer to the imperfection of the legislation in accordance with our legislation, the work and restoration of these

objects rests on the owners and it concerns different types of ownership of these buildings and private and state and communal, now the church is conserving the cathedral by its own efforts, with no help from the people of odessa regarding the restoration works in the historical center of the city, they are ambiguous literally yesterday in the city, we went to the cathedral eh, i see that eh, it’s not so scary already how it was mm everything is being done everything is being restored that's what i know it's all very sad sad they're still waiting for some kind of money to make it right not i know when the consequences of the next shelling will be, we see that

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